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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:07 PM
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Update-Autism & Vitamin D...3 Swedish papers published this month support the vit D theory of autism
Edited on Thu Apr-15-10 02:51 PM by tiptoe

The Vitamin D Newsletter April 2010


Update on Autism and Vitamin D -- John Jacob Cannell, MD

SWEDISH RESEARCHERS ON THE RIGHT TRAIL

I continue to get encouraging emails—like the one at the end of this newsletter—from parents of autistic children. At the same time, some researchers in the USA continue to deride my theory while scientists in Sweden are starting to piece it together. Three Swedish papers were published this month that support the Vitamin D Theory of Autism.

In the first paper, Dr. Mats Humble and his colleagues—at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm—measured vitamin D levels on 117 adult psychiatric outpatients. They found that the 10 adult patients with autism had the lowest 25(OH)D levels of any of the other groups, including the patients with schizophrenia and depression, an average of about 12 ng/mL (30 nmol/L), a level known to cause rickets in children and osteomalacia in adults. Even more interesting, they reported that some of the patients with depression and schizophrenia seemed to improve when treated with an average of about 4,000 IU of vitamin D per day. They did not say if they treated any of the vitamin D deficient autism patients. ¹

Mothers of autistic children have very low 25(OH)D levels

The second paper, by Dr. Elisbeth Fernell and colleagues—from various institutions in Sweden—measured vitamin D levels in mothers about six years after they had given birth to a child now diagnosed with autism. The Somali mothers had very low vitamin D levels, less than 10 ng/mL (25 nmol/L). The trend was in the direction of lower vitamin D levels for Somali mothers with autistic children, compared to Somali mothers without an autistic child. ²

Another scientist endorses the vitamin D theory of autism

The third paper, an invited editorial in Acta Paediatrica by Dr. Darryl Eyles of the University of Queensland was more interesting, at least to me. He issued an outright endorsement of my autism theory, not that it is proven, but that it is parsimonious, a word and concept I love.

Darryl is a prolific researcher and was involved in many of the rat studies that showed gestational vitamin D deficiency damages the brains of the infant rat pups. It was the work of Dr. Eyles, together with that of Dr. John McGrath, which helped me formulate my vitamin D theory of autism. I wrote about their research in 2005, before I realized that the human brain damage I wrote about was manifesitng itself as the autism epidemic. Shortly after I wrote the July 2005 Vitamin D Newsletter (PDF format), I saw an autistic child at the shopping mall and started my research into autism and vitamin D.

Anyway, this month Dr. Eyles said, "Low maternal vitamin D remains a highly parsimonious explanation for certain prominent features of autism," explaining how well their animal data fits with human data on autism. Perfect parsimony is when one theory explains all the known facts, and if there is one major autism fact the vitamin D theory of autism cannot explain, I have yet to locate it. ³

Pregnant women need 5,000 IU/day
...
LETTERS FROM A MOTHER OF AN AUTISTIC CHILD
...
Finally, expect anger and defensiveness from many in the medical profession. Remember, if I'm right, it was not the evil power plants, or the mercury polluters, or the vaccine industry that caused your son's autism. It was the CDC, the NIH, the AMA, and all the other committees and organizations that fell for the dermatologists' calculations (the cosmetic industry will give me a larger grant if I warn about sunlight) and who then blasphemed the Sun God. That is, the worst charge you can level against medicine, "You have violated your primary duty; you have caused harm." If I am right, the current autism epidemic is the worst iatrogenic disease in human history.
...

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Link to Apr 24, 2009 Scientific American and other vit D research: "What If Vitamin D Deficiency Is a Cause of Autism?"
DU comments on vit D and autism: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=222&topic_id=58436

 
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:08 PM
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1. Suddenly, vitamin D is the answer to everything.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:58 PM
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8. Sometimes that's how it works
It's unusual, but when overwhelming evidence smacks you in the face, you tend to pay attention.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 05:07 PM
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9. That's ALWAYS how it works.
Until the next fad.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 05:09 PM
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10. Fad? LOL
Vitamin D deficiency is a fad! :rofl:
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 05:32 PM
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11. "Oh, right! Life from the sun is...just a fad...
 
...Nutrients everyone and everything needs badly is just a fad..." -- kimmerspixelated

 
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 06:22 PM
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12. Life from the Sun?
That would include melanoma. (Cancer is a form of life)

Stop romanticizing. The sun is not our benevolent sky daddy, it's a nuclear furnace. We need it, but it's not here for us.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 08:36 PM
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13. pfffft nt
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 09:55 AM
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14. From what I can see, what happened is that a number of researchers
in different fields ( diabetes, arthritis, auto-immune disorders, infectious disease,multiple sclerosis, psychiatry) noticed that 1. Vitamin D is a precursor hormone driving a number of metabolic systems and 2. sunlight ( or lack thereof) seemed to be a variable.

Initial studies of vitamin D date back to the 1920's and set the RDA based on preventing rickets, as near as I can make out. The levels were too low to prevent more subtle chronic diseases. If you consider diabetes, arthritis and multiple sclerosis as autoimmune diseases, it makes sense that Vitamin D might have a connection to them all. Toss in resistance to infectious disease (influenza) as another aspect of the immune system. Who knows, maybe depression has links to the immune system as well, since it seems to be associated with some auto-immune diseases.

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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 12:32 PM
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16. What also happened, 77 years after discovery, is researchers identified Vit D Receptor cells in 36+
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 01:11 PM by tiptoe

tissues other than bone. (See System and Tissue Distribution of Vitamin D Receptors (VDR)) This mapping occurred a few years after the current Vitamin D standards had been set in 1997 (400IU/d, 2000IU-TUIL, which were recently deemed "grossly inadequate" at the 2009 AACE 18th Ann Meet & Clin Congress).

p.91 "In recent years Vitamin D receptors have been found in tissues not associated with the traditional role of calcium metabolism" Vitamins in animal and human nnutrition, 2nd edition, Aug 10 2000, Lee Russell McDowell

"The crucial role of vitamin D in the innate immune system was discovered only very recently." John Cannell, H1N1 flu and Vitamin D, May 2009

Knowing "where", researchers could hypothesize and target investigations into Vitamin D effects wherever VDR was expressed. A spate of discoveries ensued and continues.

 
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 12:44 PM
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18. Not only that, but the realization that the vitamin D receptor
had been traced backed--evolutionarily--to invertebrates, which obviously means that it plays a critical role in systems besides bone-building.

That was a *major* clue that probably helped to open the flood gates. imho
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 12:58 PM
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20. Speaking evolutionarily, a couple of quotes (the first intriguing):
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 01:08 PM by tiptoe

(from: Vitamin D Quotes)


Humans make thousands of units of vitamin D within minutes of whole body exposure to sunlight. From what we know of nature, it is unlikely such a system evolved by chance.
  — Dr. John Cannell, Executive Director, Vitamin D Council.

If you think of it evolutionarily, it's the oldest hormone on this Earth. I don't think that this is going to be a flash in the pan.
  — Dr. Michael F. Holick, Vitamin D expert.


 
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 12:54 PM
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19. Thanks! I didn't know that.
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 12:57 PM by hedgehog
Nutrition is so basic to health, and so unexplored!

I tripped over Vitamin D research looking up references to Seasonal Affect Disorder (SAD). As a resident of the Great Lakes (why is the sky that funny blue color today? and what's that strange glowing thing?), I was intrigued by the connection between Vitamin D and a lot of conditions associated with the area.
(There's a high rate of rheumatoid arthritis, but on the bright side, very little skin cancer!)
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:09 PM
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2. vitamin D (DEFICIENCY) theory of autism...
;)
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:23 PM
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4. Very interesting. This would also explain the higher incidence of autistics
with gluten intolerance, since malabsorption diseases can cause low levels of Vitamin D.
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 03:33 PM
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5. last visit to my oncologist, he checked how much vitamin D i was getting.
thought it was strange at the time but maybe since this is getting around they are checking vitamin D in everything they can.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:05 PM
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6. Kaiser began vit D status testing as part of standard medical checkups for *its* health plan members

I was surprised upon learning last summer from a restaurant manager -- whom I encouraged to urge his Kaiser doctor requisition for him a vit D status test -- when he returned from his checkup and told me he didn't need to ask...the test was included.

Why would Kaiser do this, when other health insurers legislate restrictions on obligation to reimburse vit D test expenses? See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=222&topic_id=85668&mesg_id=85721


 

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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:56 PM
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7. This is my experience as well re: Kaiser
When I first started learning about vitamin D deficiency, I requested the test. This must have been just prior to them changing their policy, because over the next couple of years, every time my blood was checked, vitamin D was checked. And, while in the blood lab, I observed other patients coming in for tests that included their vitamin D levels.

It's unusual, in my experience, to see a medical establishment take so quickly to something like this. There are usually decades of debate and at least half of the physicians resist to the end.

Not this time, it seems.

This is very good news, imho. I've been on the 50,000iu/week for almost 8 weeks now and will have my levels tested within the next few days.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 09:57 AM
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15. In my own circle, I'm the only person tested for serum Vitamin D levels who wasn't
put on a prescription dose. I was too chicken to tell my doctor I was already taking 6000iud .
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 12:38 PM
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17. Why chicken?
Ashamed to be taking vitamin D, lol?

No, but really, why?
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:04 PM
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21. It seemed a little over the top - but it did make me feel better.
I guess I didn't want to be chided.
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diamidue Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 01:23 AM
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22. I don't get it.
There has been an absolute explosion in the number of autistic children over the last few years. All of the sudden these children are just D deficient? Mothers are routinely given prenatal vitamins. Mothers get as much sunlight as mothers did 15 years ago. Gluten intolerance was known in the 1950's. No doubt that we all could use extra vitamin D. But if there is a massive wave of Vitamin D deficiency in the last few years, then what is causing it? Sunscreen? Fluoride? (http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/f.html) Something in the food supply?
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 01:10 AM
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23. Consider the iatrogenic factors "setting the stage" for prospective mothers AND infants post 1999:
Edited on Mon Apr-19-10 01:58 AM by tiptoe


• In the 1980s, dermatologists began warning about the dangers of sunlight. Their advertisements were heavily funded by the cosmetics and sun screen industry.

 
In the 1980s the current triple childhood epidemics of asthma, diabetes, and autism quietly began. Rates of cancer and other chronic illnesses began to escalate.



• In 1989, the American Medical Association's Council on Scientific Affairs warned about the dangers of sun-exposure, advising mothers and children to "stay out of the sun as much as possible."

• In 1999, the American Academy of Pediatrics warned mothers to always keep infants out of direct sunlight, use sun-protective clothes, sun block, and make sure children's activities in general minimize sunlight exposure.

 
In 2000, it was documented that rickets – vitamin D deficiency – is making a comeback in American children who drink less milk and more juice and sodas.¹



source

"Mothers get as much sunlight as mothers 15 years ago."   Post-1995 saw the American Academy of Pediatricians getting into the "avoid the sun" medical act by directly targeting infants with its own special professsional advice -- i.e., another iatrogenic factor, on top of earlier, general "stay out of the sun as much as possible" warnings for mothers and their children from dermatologists and the AMA .

Perhaps a situation of autism tendency in infants due to low vitamin d status 'inherited' from mothers became compounded after 1999 by the unintentional post-delivery continued-suppression of infant innate immune systems through wide adherence to the AAP warnings advising sun-protective clothing and sunscreens and a finer directive to always stay out of direct sunlight and to minimize sunlight exposure altogether. (Presumably paralleling pediatrician 'prescription' of such recommendations beginning 1999 would have been increases in sales and usage of sunscreens not only for babies/infants/children but also by expectant women following skin-protection advice. Maybe mothers are not, in fact, getting as much effective sunlight, i.e. UVB, as 15 years ago.)

"All of the sudden these children are just D deficient?" As per above, after 1999, the situation with children perhaps became something more than 'just D deficiency' transferred from the mother: Already-compromised-at-birth innate immune systems might have remained so (or worsened) widely across the cohort because of AAP sun-protection-for-infants warnings that initiated widespread, highly-effective shielding not only from the negative effects of UV but also from beneficial effects of UVB on vitamin D status.

Another possible angle: Infant's Multivitamin (infants to 12 months) Vitamin A composition (and usage relevancy for low vit-D status infants?)
1: Vitamin A (as Retinyl Palmitate) 1250 IU 104% (1-3 years: 2 servings, 2500 IU)
2: Vitamin A (as Beta-Carotene ) 1250 IU 83%
3: Vitamin A (as Retinyl Palmitate) 1500 IU 100%

Another reminder about vitamin A: Per Dr. Cannell, vitamin A in large doses causes vitamin D to not work. In addition, as a reminder, cod liver oil is a good source of vitamin D, but be careful because it also contains a high amount of vitamin A, and vitamin A toxicity and inhibition of [active] vitamin D can occur if you ingest too much cod liver oil. Just 500 mg of cod liver oil contains 50,000 IU's of vitamin A, twice the level that is reported to cause toxicity in adults and 14 times the level that is reported to cause toxicity in children.


Finally, expect anger and defensiveness from many in the medical profession. Remember, if I'm right, it was not the evil power plants, or the mercury polluters, or the vaccine industry that caused your son's autism. It was the CDC, the NIH, the AMA, and all the other committees and organizations that fell for the dermatologists' calculations (the cosmetic industry will give me a larger grant if I warn about sunlight) and who then blasphemed the Sun God. That is, the worst charge you can level against medicine, "You have violated your primary duty; you have caused harm." If I am right, the current autism epidemic is the worst iatrogenic disease in human history — John Cannell, MD

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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 07:07 AM
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24. People do not get as much sunlight as 30 years ago
In my lifetime, I've seen a huge change where people seem to avoid the sun and put on sunscreen even in the late afternoon. Back in the 70s to early 80s, when I was quite young and enjoyed going to the beach, we loved getting tans and soaking up the sun sans sunscreen.

Women who became mothers 15 years ago became Vitamin D deficient in the years before they gave birth. The big change came somewhere in the 80s.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 10:53 PM
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25. There is no Epidemic.
How many times to I have to repeat that? :eyes:
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