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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 10:09 AM
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Neutering our kids' exposure to science
Fear is the mind-killer.

(...)

But maybe that isn't a possibility anymore. Chemistry sets have been spayed and neutered by timid authorities who are afraid of drug labs and terrorists, reduced to little more than Easy Bake ovens themselves, and splattered with warning labels to instill fear of even the most innocuous reagents. The end result is going to be a new generation of kids stripped of an important formative experience in the sciences. Neither boys nor girls are going to get to make stink bombs, or pepper the walls and floors of their junior high schools with the stains from ammonium triiodide.

This is the state we've been reduced to.

One kid whose interest in science was sparked by the gift of a chemistry set was Don Herbert, who grew up to host a popular TV show in the 1950s called Watch Mr. Wizard. With his eye-popping demonstrations and low-key midwestern manner, Mr. Wizard gave generations of future scientists and teachers the confidence to perform experiments at home. In 1999, Restoration Hardware founder Stephen Gordon teamed up with Renee Whitney, general manager of a toy company called Wild Goose, to try to re-create the chemistry set Herbert marketed almost 50 years ago. "Don was so sweet," Whitney recalls. "He invited us to his home to have dinner with him and his wife. Then he pulled his old chemistry set out of the garage. It was amazing — a real metal cabinet, like a little closet, filled with dozens of light-resistant bottles."

Gordon and Whitney soon learned that few of the items in Mr. Wizard's cabinet could be included in the product. "Unfortunately, we found that more than half the chemicals were illegal to sell to children because they're considered dangerous," Whitney explains. By the time the Mr. Wizard Science Set appeared in stores, it came with balloons, clay, Super Balls, and just five chemicals, including laundry starch, which was tagged with an ominous warning: HANDLE CAREFULLY. NOT EXPECTED TO BE A HEALTH HAZARD.

Isn't that pathetic? Fear really is the mind-killer.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/05/neutering_our_kids_exposure_to.php
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 10:14 AM
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1. "Science kits" are bullshit now
I grew up with the pissant little "look at how magnets work!" sets, so dad let me play with all his old glassware and equipment from college
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 10:19 AM
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2. No doubt. It reminds me of "science" museums these days.
It's like that article said. You go there, and it's a bunch of balloons and some play-dough. There's barely any information presented, much less any actual science, in the sense of exposing kids to the scientific method as an epistemology.

I see ads for the local science museum on TV, and it's always a bunch of embarrassing fluff like "grossology." In China and India, they're raising a generation of engineers. We're raising a generation of kids who think science is talking about boogers.
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 10:26 AM
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3. one great science museum
is COSI, here in Columbus. Good balence of "hands on" stuff and real science (though the newer exhibits tend to play towards the clay-balloon-magnet stuff).

But museums in general try to be "Kidz Frendlee!!!" And frankly, it pisses me off. The more we talk down to children, the stupider they'll get.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 10:47 AM
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4. My parents used to take me to the Toronto museum of science.
That was a good one too.

I agree about talking down to kids. Science is about being curious, observant, creative and rigorous. Curiosity, perspicacity and creativity pretty much come naturally. Rigor can be taught. But watering the material down doesn't contribute to any of it. Challenge the kids, and the "natural" scientists will emerge naturally. Kids who are intrinsically interested in other things won't be hurt by being challenged. They'll just gravitate toward their own interests, as they would anyway. And they'll still learn something along the way.

And if you never risk bodily harm, you aren't having any fun, dammit.

"Warm fuzzy nice nice. What good is science if nobody gets hurt??"
--Chrome Dome
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 05:55 PM
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9. "The true mad scientist does not wear
the 'Hello, My Name Is' badge!"

and as the parent of a delightfully curious 3 year old, I concur completely. I expect to have to nurse a few contusions and burns while he experiments with things. After all, the word itself means "from the danger"!
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 11:42 PM
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15. Which one? Scientist or curious? Or delightfully?
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 07:06 PM
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5. Agree 100%
> The more we talk down to children, the stupider they'll get.

Encourage them to ask questions and answer them (or at least help find out the
answers if you don't know yourself).

Curiosity is one of the most wonderful human traits. It is practically
criminal to suppress this in the generations that *should* be exceeding
our own knowledge base. You want a dead-end? You'll get one this way.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:25 PM
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6. very true - and goes for adults too
by the way, I used to live in Columbus until last year - Cosi is great.

Cheers!
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Imperialism Inc. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:41 PM
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10. COSI has gone to shit.
None of the exhibits are ever open when I have taken my son. They also have what I call the fundy room and I don't remember if it was there when I was a kid. An exhibit about "ghosts" "spirits" , "is there life after death?" and on the other side of the room the 3-D abortion pamphlets. I do remember the fetus exhibit from way back but I call it the abortion exhibit because it is in the religion and supernatural section of the science museum. (religion section??.. in a science museum??)


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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:51 PM
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12. they charge a LOT now
many exhibits require seperate admission charges, or tokens, etc.

I didn't like the idea of COSI moving to begin with (I loved that old building front inside the entrance) and i think that has had a detrimental effect on it.

I didn't realize they had a "religion and supernatural" section now. THAT sure as hell wasn't there when I went there last, but that's been a while
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 06:53 AM
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7. Edmunds Scientific still has cool stuff
just like they always have!

http://www.edsci.com/
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 07:58 AM
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8. Too true. Too true. Nothing in those sets anymore. Lucky I had farm
chemicals, a dam, some space out in the country, spare metal and wire lying around, and a good microscope, otherwise I don't think I would have ended up so well grounded.

I dread to think of how little experience people get when they are in the cities. Nothing in any chemistry set I ever got was any good.
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semillama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:19 PM
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11. Wait a minute!!! BOB LAZAR?!?!
That's the Area 51 dude! You know, the guy who says he's seen UFOs in hangers at Area 51 when he supposedly worked there.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:36 PM
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13. Oliver Sacks wrote a book on the topic of chemistry set evisceration
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 08:37 PM by NNadir
called "Uncle Tungsten." It was in part about how playing with dangerous chemicals made him a smart guy.

The modern kid's chemistry set sucks. It's all sodium bicarbonate and vinegar these days.

Chemistry is generally a unappreciated science these days.

You go to any bookstore in the US and you will find 50 times more books on New Age crap than you will find on the subject of chemistry. Even the best bookstores will have 10 more books on the subject of Albert Einstein (all of which are supposed to show how smart the book owner is) for every one book on the subject of general chemistry. In fact the only chemistry books one sees in many stores are study guides trying to help failing nursing students.

It's terrible.

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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 11:41 PM
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14. And they put warning labels on the vinegar too. Stupid, stupid idea.
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 11:41 PM by Random_Australian
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