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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 01:51 PM
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Neanderthal DNA lives on ... in some of us
Source: MSNBC

The first rough draft of the Neanderthals' genome suggests that they interbred with our own species - but only enough to leave a tiny mark on the genetic code of humans from outside Africa.

"The Neanderthals are not totally extinct," said Svante Pääbo, a geneticist at Germany's Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology. "In some of us they live on, a little bit."

Pääbo is the leader of an international team of researchers who worked for four years to extract the genetic code from half a gram of ground-up Neanderthal bone, taken from three separate specimens. The resulting draft sequence, which represents about 60 percent of the entire genome, is unveiled in this week's issue of the journal Science.

The results shed light on the evolution of our own species, Homo sapiens, as well as on the genetic heritage of now-extinct Homo neanderthalensis. When researchers compared the detailed Neanderthal code with that of five modern-day humans from different areas of the world, they found overwhelming similarities. But they also found some scientifically significant differences.

Read more at:http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/05/06/2295639.aspx
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 02:01 PM
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1. I'm amazed that this has been up for more than 5 minutes without a Neanderthal = Republican joke.
:D

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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:04 PM
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10. Interestingly enough....
I remember reading that the Neanderthals were not actually unintelligent. They just sucked at problem solving and could not evolve new ways of doing things, and died out because of it.

Which sort of makes them...Republicans.
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Tutankhamun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:54 PM
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12. I _would_ post a Neanderthal=Republican joke, but that would be mean to Neanderthals!
Ba Da Ching!!!! (Cue rim shot sound effect.)

Had to be done. :-)
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 02:01 PM
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2. I always suspected this...
but I thought that the Neanderthals would have contributed more than the researchers discovered.

Maybe only a few were left when we made the scene in Europe.

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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 02:05 PM
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3. It's possible. The two events -- Neanderthal extinction and Homo Sapiens arrival in Europe...
occurred at about the same time, so it might be that the former occurred slightly before the latter. Of course, with the all-too-human tendency to attribute causality to events, one can't help but notice that the reverse of this idea -- that homo sapiens arrived and then Neanderthals quickly died out -- seems very suggestive.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 02:58 PM
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8. Homo Sap probably interbred on the way out of Africa
and, although the main migration was likely about 50,000 years ago, the human race had itchy feet far longer than that and there were smaller waves of hunting bands and whole tribes migrating out before and after the climate change 50,000 years ago that had them looking for better real estate.

Likely the lack of genetic changes interspecies was because of a poor birth rate or infancy survival rate. The two species were compatible, but just.

I'm actually delighted we didn't just kill them off, that we carry some of their characteristics. Given what we know about them, it just might be some of the best parts of us.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:07 PM
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9. All great points, Warpy.
:thumbsup:
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 02:12 PM
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4. The thinking seems to be that the interbreeding occurred in the Middle East
when Homo sapiens was en route to Europe.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 02:24 PM
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5. interbreeding occurred in the Middle East
when they found a camel. :)

BBC link to subject here : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8660940.stm
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 02:45 PM
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7. A lot could have happened between interbreeding and today
Our genes are partly responsible for our susceptibility to disease. Perhaps those with stronger Neanderthal components didn't make it through the waves of plagues we've suffered since.

It's not a complete Neanderthal sequence - perhaps those components missing will fill in the surprising gaps.

I've never bought the 'no-interbreeding' hypothesis. It just didn't fit Occam's model. That there's so little of the DNA in modern humans doesn't surprise me either. A lot can happen in 40,000-100,000 years.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 02:44 PM
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6. Well duh! Who do you think does those Geico caveman commercials? nt
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Tutankhamun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:49 PM
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11. This cold start a trend: People paying to have their DNA tested.
I really want to know now whether I'm part Neander.
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SweepPicker Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:14 AM
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13. Darn!
I thought this was going to be a joke or cartoon about Rethugs!
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caraher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:59 PM
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14. I heard this from my wife...
who said the story was that "white people" had some Neanderthal genes. To which I replied, "No surprise - have you seen pictures of the Tea Party rallies?"
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