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divineorder Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 08:05 PM
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Need Spiritual Help Re My Cat
I know this isn't astrology, but after that request for prayer was answered regarding that lost cat, I feel confident that I can ask here. My cat has crf(Chronic Renal Failure), and I must give her fluids every other day. I haven't been able to do this myself. I read instructions, and even have printed things from the internet, but no go. I could bring her in to the vet's every other day, but it takes forever to get the bus, and the weather is sometimes bad, which is why I want to do this myself. But whenever I try to insert the needle, something goes wrong.

Pray for me to either finally master this skill so she gets her fluids, or find a way for me to get this done without a hour-long commute by bus.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 08:22 PM
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1. Be open to alternatives.
What you asked for limits you to an either or choice. Be open and receive.

Energy coming to you and your cat. :)
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 07:42 PM
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16. I absolutely agree with what you said about limits.
Edited on Tue Dec-27-05 07:48 PM by I Have A Dream
I was taught to always say something equivalent to "this or something better for the highest good of all involved" at the end of any request that I make of the Universe. It makes the Universe's work much easier and also makes sure that all beings' needs are taken into account.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 10:19 PM
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2. I will definitely pray.
Best of luck with your kitty. That sounds rough.
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virgdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 10:41 PM
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3. I have personal experience with this procedure...
One of my cats had CRF and we gave her subcutaneous fluids right up until almost her last day. May I suggest that you have someone to help you. I don't think I could have done it alone without my husband helping. It is difficult to do alone, better if you have someone to hold the cat while the needle is being inserted. Hope this helps and that you get the much needed fluid into your cat. I will pray for you to be successful.
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divineorder Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 11:38 PM
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4. I had a neighbor helping for a while
She would hold Pitski while I inserted the needle, but even then my technique was uncertain. I could never really tell if the needle was in deeply enough to do any good, and when I've tried to insert the needle, she jumps or I don't get the needle in deeply enough or long enough to be sure she's getting fluid. She's gone a few days without this. But I make sure she has at least 2 cups of water every day.

Thank you so much for your prayer support. I ended up getting fluid all over my dresser from a needle and none in my cat. I really want to help her live, but getting nervous and uncertain about my technique doesn't help. I've taken her to the vet for this, but I don't drive and the commute takes about three hours by bus. (I'ts 15 minutes away, but this bus runs only evert 45 minutes or so, not including time I have to wait for a technician to get to me.)

I've had only fleeting moments of confidence regarding this from time to time, but when I've tried to act on it, the technique defeats mee.

Hellllp....
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Bluestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:36 AM
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5. Is there a mobile vet in your area?
Hi--

I'm sending you energy to help you and your kitty. I don't know what area you live in, but in lots of cities there are "mobile vets" who have vans and will come to you if you cannot drive or your pet is particularly reluctant to go to the vet.

Wishing you the best
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 01:17 AM
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6. I went through the same thing with my kitty Isis...
First off...let me give you a big :hug:

This procedure is really daunting for some reason...maybe it is the size of the needle but I was so nervous like you and of course Isis picked up on my nervousness ...that on top of her feeling pretty low....well...I know exactly what you are going through.

I finally had to give in & take her to the vets about 2-3 times a week. But it was a 5 minute drive for me. I can't imagine having to take a bus.

I assume they showed you how to grab the skin behind her neck to make a place for the needle to go in - sort of between your fingers if I recall....and they also showed me how to gently squeeze the bag of saline to speed the process up a bit. I hope you can get someone to help you. I really think its too much for an untrained person to attempt on their own, but I realize sometimes there is no choice. I would put a towel on the table and hold her down but usually ended up getting more on me than in her.....

I hate to ask, but are they hoping this will slow down the progress of crf or is it a matter of just making her comfortable? With Isis they kept her in the hospital for about 3 days and hydrated her but after that it was only about a month until she just couldn't make it- during that time she would get hydrated about twice a week. The hydrating made her comfortable up to a point but then it seem we quickly passed that point.

CRF is tough to watch you sweet kitty go through, but I've been convinced for sometime that these little spirits don't make as big a deal about leaving the body as humans.


I wish I could be more help...its a hard place to be in....to want to help yet be unable to. (I always had horses & other animals around & did many things to help & tend to them, but for some reason, I just couldn't manage this procedure , so don't be hard on yourself.)

Have you asked Pitski what she wants?? Or explained to her this is to make her feel better? I remember Isis finally understood, but honestly, she was really ready to leave that body behind. I knew that very clearly before our first visit to the vets but just felt so bad for her & I wasn't ready to let her go at that point either.

Keep us posted....do you know any nurses or techs who could help you at home??

:hug:
DR
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divineorder Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 10:57 AM
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7. Found a mobile vet.
The vet and assistant will be here in an hour. Pitski threw up 3 times today, so I think that's helping them decide to get to her today. She's also going to get a checkup too while the vet's here. It probably costs more this way, but I've spent that much on cab fare to the vet, so it evens out. She is eating her special food, which is comforting in itself.

Thank you for all of the prayers and suggestions. I will start singing to Pitski once I've mastered the fluid thing.

As for her CRF, the vet said she was in the very earliest stages, so the fluid is designed to slow the progress of the CRF. But I'm now afraid that I've been so inept for so long she's doing worse than I thought and I don't know it.

Now she's still active, active enough to run like hell when I try to give her fluids. (I've poked her a lot of times trying to find the right spot:)
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divineorder Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:50 PM
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8. The Vet Came By
Early! He showed me the technique and how to practice the technique as well. Pitski got her fluids 150 ml instead of 100. She didn't look too dehydrated to him, and looked good. I asked him to do a renal profile, and he'll get back with the results, along with a general examination. And I found him via an old_ internet page and a search of the yellow pages.

I feel so much better about this now.
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Bluestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 02:19 PM
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9. I'm so happy for you and your kitty!
I have two cats and a disability that weakens my muscles. I know if it weren't for my husband I couldn't even clip their claws, let alone do a procedure like this so I have great empathy for you! I'm so glad the mobile vet worked out and I'm sending you good energy.

Love and light
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 04:00 PM
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10. I'm so glad for you & Pitski!
I am so happy you found a good mobile vet. That is so cool!

Yay for Pitski!!! ...and for you,too!
Sometimes we just have to remember to ask for help.

:hug:DR
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virgdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 09:19 PM
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14. That's great news...
I'm glad you found a mobile vet. We had one in our area and I got to use her twice before she had to give up the van and go into another vet practice due to high gas costs (she had a huge van and I'm sure it was a gas guzzler). So now we have no mobile vets and I'm back to my previous vet. Another thing that helped was giving my cat medication for high blood pressure (Amlodipine - also given to humans for high blood pressure). If you can have her bp checked, I would have it done. The meds were not really that expensive and I was able to go to my regular pharmacy to get the pills. My cat survived four years past the initial diagnosis with a very good quality of life, almost right up until the end. I wish you well with your cat.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 05:39 PM
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11. i had a lot of trouble doing the Sub-cu fluids at first too...
Edited on Mon Dec-26-05 05:41 PM by bettyellen
and it took a friend to help me get comfy doing it....
so a few tips.
the water bag should be high as possible.
get Termo 20G needles- they handle twice the waterflow as comparable size needles and thus shorten the watering session time greatly. i forget what "line sets" i used to buy, but some are easier than others, look at the valves and flow capablilty. all of this stuff can be ordered on the internet much much cheaper than at the vets. they will just have to fax in a prescription for you, but i saved like 75% that way.
which left money to pay to get her on Hill's Prescription Diet KD- this stuff literally saved her life and cut down the time needed between waterings greatly. it's bland and it took a month to totally switch her over, but she lived another 8-9 years, and my cat expert friend swears it was the KD that did it.
pre warm the bag in a sink of hot water and your cat will be much more comfy- try to get it to body temperature.
i would have to wrap my cat in a towel to disarm her flailing/ scratching.
always angle the needle towards their front (head) when run off, it slips out easily. just fold the tube quickly to stop the waterflow.
if you have any questions or want some spare needles, PM me.
good luck!
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 07:53 PM
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12. Have you checked into the raw diet for kitties?
Edited on Mon Dec-26-05 07:59 PM by davsand
My cat is not on it--but I do remember that when I was reading about it, it talked about the benefits to cats' kidneys that a raw diet had. It IS higher fluid content already, but it also is closer to the feral diet--thus better for the cats' system.

It might help reduce the frequency of the hydration sessions--which might help both of you feel better. Certainly, I'd talk to the vet about it first if it seems like something you are interested in doing.

Good luck. Our pets are such a wonderful gift it is painful to see them unwell.



Laura

On edit: Something else to think about is a water fountain for the cat. You can buy a water pump (like they use in water gardens) and a big plastic rubbermaid tub, and rig up running water for your cat. My kitty loves his--and it does make him drink more water because the water tastes better to him.

I also make sure and put an aquarium filter pack with activated charcoal in it in the tub so the water will run thru it. That helps keep the water cleaner and fresher. Maybe if she drinks more it will help...
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 08:43 PM
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13. That's a relief for you to have help today
I know what you're going through, I had to do the same with my dear fella 3 years ago. Depending on the cat, it can definitely be a 2 person job and my so-called helper, my marshmallow of a husband was nearly as bad as no help at all. He'd flinch and yelp and carry on like you wouldn't believe and have both the cat and me so upset by the end of it. I was supposed to give half the fluids on each side... not technically necessary, but just to balance it out but I could never go through the poking twice with pair of them and just let him be lumpy for awhile.

The worst thing I remember about the whole thing was that once over a weekend the vet gave me a needle of painkiller for him and I missed and he barely got any of it. I couldn't get any more for him until the next day. I was just sick, I still feel bad thinking about it.

The thing to remember is that you really can't hurt the cat when you insert the needle and it makes them feel so much better after they have the fluids. I've heard that some of them, especially ones that are on it long term come to realize that it makes them feel better and they don't mind the treatment at all. It also helps once you have a bit of confidence and you aren't telegraphing your nervousness.

Be sure and tell your kitty what you are doing, why you are doing it and how much better she will feel after the treatment. If they understand what is going on, they are not going to be so afraid and will co-operate with you.

I'm sending Reiki to you!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 12:45 AM
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15. I hope everything works out
I sent some positive energies for you and your cat. :hug:
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