I'm thinking we're seeing the start of the divide

If you read Karen Bishop et al, you know that they are talking about some folks vibrating at higher energies while others are not; some say that we are coming to a divide, where some of us will go on and others stay behind. Don't know about that, but I'd say that the vibes on DU are definitely of two types, those that try to be calm and see the big picture, and those out to attack. I've noticed that, even on threads about issues that all Dems should be behind, there have been attacks because the person raising the issue is for one candidate or another. And there have been times when I've boldly stated that we are all interconnected, and the message did not compute with other posters at all. To my mind, this shows the divide between vibrating energies when we can't even communicate any more. Anyway, that's my take on the stuff going on elsewhere on DU. What's your take on it?

It has hit DU with a vengeance. I can't believe everyone's being this fierce about their candidates--to the detriment of others. How are we going to unify when the primaries are over?

As for the altered vibrations, I started seeing it in Republican vs. Democratic politics--since Bush was selected, it seemed that NEVER the twain would meet, and it still hasn't--it's just getting worse. Then I saw the polarization among religions, with fundamentalists getting more adamant and less tolerant...I didn't even think it was possible for some of them to be less tolerant, but they managed it. Add red states vs. blue states, north vs. south, city vs. rural, coastal communities vs. the heartland...and that's just in this country. I can't even speak intelligently of all the cultural divides and genocides around the world. It's truly astounding.

FWIW, I don't believe in the New Age version of the rapture either (that some will vibrate so highly that they'll disappear), but I do feel that what Matthew says is accurate--how you vibrate will determine how you live your life (you can choose to resonate at a higher vibration and live a happy life, getting what you want and need, or you can choose to resonate at a lower vibration and get business as usual). I think we're going to be existing side by side, but we sure won't be able to relate to one another.

I don't think we'll vibrate out of here, either, though some have predicted something like that. But I can see it becoming harder and harder to relate to some folks. Perhaps that is why it has been suggested that we find and form our communities.

I never really understood why Karen keeps saying we'll feel the urge to relocate--I sure don't. But if some areas will become high-vibrating communities, that would make sense. That would also explain why Karen talks about a "storefront" economic system coming into being--people making a living utilizing their special skills and trading talents more than cash. For many years, my former elder has said the same thing, and, while she has her faults, she's pretty good at getting info from the Other Side (when she's not messing with the information that is, which she does now but didn't used to).

people swap and trade things all the time, and we know who can do things or who has products we can use.

I know a lady who has done this for long than I have been alive living her life the way she wants not the way the current dominant paradigm dictates and finding many like minded people as she goes. People do not always need to live in total separation to create the life they need and want. Some have felt this need in the past and others will do so now. There are many roads that lead to the same destination so everyone should follow their truth to find the route that suites them best.

"FWIW, I don't believe in the New Age version of the rapture either (that some will vibrate so highly that they'll disappear)."

I also don't believe in a bizarre corollary of this that certain self-appointed gurus in the emerging culture keep promoting—that some of us will be "left behind" entirely if we aren't "vibrating" at a specific level by a certain precise date. Everyone's ascension process is individual. I like to think we're all trying to "get to the same place," as others here have pointed out to me before, and helping the collective should be a part of what we hope to achieve at our destination, I guess, but seriously? Even I know there is no "deadline." Additionally, we all still have free will. Each of us can use it to decide how much Spirit we want to incorporate into our lives, at at which times, under what parameters.

So much of humanity is stuck in the thoughtform that great change can only occur through great violence. Wars and Revolutions. Rebellions and Uprisings. It is so hard to drag oneself out of that collective pit of belief and just say no.

is how snide and condescending the individuals who claim they really believe you "must" be "evolved" to a certain point by a specific time (!) or else often are. They treat the "enlightened" as such a special, exclusive group, and imply that because "we" got "there" ahead of "them" that we will "move beyond" (oh, excuse me, the "chosen ones" among us will) and "they" will just...suffer and die or something. The "end times" bullshit is being promoted by people who still have a pile of ego to shed, if you ask me. They're pushing that meme to make themselves feel superior to others.

It is like people calling certain people 'old souls' and acting as if that makes them automatically more wise. The few times someone said that I was one I replied 'then why haven't I figured it all out and got it right by now?' What if old souls are just slow learners? ;)

At this point while I believe there is a Shift going on I don't believe we will wake up one day and find Instant Utopia & Enlightenment. IMO this is a gradual process. Sometimes it goes faster, sometimes slower, and sometimes goes backwards a bit but in the end we will just keep on going in that direction. I don't see a limited time only process. I figure on 2012 we will wake up and find a bit more light and a bit more love but in the end it is up to each of us whether we let it in then just as now.

And I like the idea about all of us being chosen. A friend says it this way (I'm paraphrasing, can't remember exactly how he said it): We're all chosen but not everybody accepts the choice.

I'm put off by the highly partisan tone and the content of a lot of the posts these days too.

I prefer Kucinich with Edwards next, but it's hard to know who the best choice would actually be at a particular time. A country is made up of a lot of people and not too many are that "advanced" or "far-seeing" and it could be what I think is a lesser candidate would be better for the whole country and allow it to grow in a better way.

Who knows? We're all blinded by our own biases and prejudices.

But I think we have to have faith that each of us is acting out of his or her own best motives, even if sometimes we disagree.

IMO each incarnation is like mission: impossible in that we are offered a mission. It is up to use whether we accept it or not. And then how far we go with it.

I love the story of the hundredth monkey and I hope that my changes for the better make it that much closer to the tipping point when some (or better ALOT) of the positive changes we hope 2012 heralds start becoming common and matter of fact everyday occurances instead of rarities.

We as seekers try so hard to be more enlightened than conventional religions, and then people invade the "New Age" realm with conventional thinking...and the rapture by any other name...

I think I mentioned here, when I was thinking of leaving my coven, that one of the major problems I had been having with my elder was that she was starting to believe that the shift IS going to be like the rapture (the "worthy" disappearing). I strongly disagreed. Then I found out that after I left, she'd instituted a new rule--everyone in the school/coven has to attend meditation nights on Tuesdays (in addition to their regular class times plus three-hour Saturday seminars) because if people don't do the meditations she teaches, they won't ascend.
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I agree with you--there's no deadline, and no "one way" to reach Spirit. I said it before, and I'll say it again: Day-um, I'm glad I left that coven.

I just...what? I'm so relieved you got out of there.

And not to use your post as a springboard for a third major, major problem I'm having with certain individuals bleating very loudly right now about "the Shift" but—a recurrent theme I see in the rantings of the folks preaching about enlightenment with an end-times twist is that the goal of Ascension is the abandonment of civilization. As if civilization, in and of itself, is the "problem."

I'm not naming any names, but to me, suggesting that "we" could just abandon civilization tomorrow, or in 2012, or 2014 or ever and simply live off the land without laws, governments or any form of social structure or system is, well, not just an inaccurate thing to say, it is a wildly irresponsible and dangerous thing to be aligning "enlightenment" with. Will an increase in awareness of Spirit radically change what we think of as civilization? Yes. Over many decades, perhaps. But it ain't happening overnight, nor should it. Anyone who thinks it should, or is communicating her thoughts so badly that she is even suggesting that the loss of civilization is a "good" thing? Needs to re-examine her take on reality (and humanity...and some other things).

and in small communities? I hear you. And I agree that no, none of that will happen overnight.

Back when I really admired my former elder (I still do, but now with reservations, obviously), I remember her saying that when she does readings for people and makes general predictions, she won't give dates, because she doesn't pick up dates. She wondered why, and we came to the collective conclusion that it's because there's no such thing as time, so when she's tapping into the Great Is, there's no time to speak of. Could happen "now" in our timestream, "soon", or "way later". Plus there are plenty of variables that affect when something happens--or keeps it from happening at all in some instances.

Heck, even Matthew, my favorite offworld entity, won't give timeframes because of that.

So when people predict that something drastic is going to happen, I take it with a grain of salt, because they could be talking about centuries from now. I see those small communities off the grid decades, if not centuries, away.

in GD and GDP. Your point is well taken. My tolerance for bickering behavior (for example) has been fading for some time. It seems to me that an important quality of that *shift* for me has been, and continues to be, learning to be true to myself. If something isn't beneficial, I just don't have the time to mess with it/them/her/him. I do enjoy interplay with the DU population at large sometimes. Lots of them are smart and witty. It's never a good time for tedium. I'm pretty much that way in RL too. Being true to myself is a large piece of it.

must tackle the dark side. It's hard to keep it positive when we are trying to bring down the shackles. It's what I fight with all the time, ayeshahaqqiqa. If only I could be more like Mother Theresa, but sadly, it's an upward hill for me and so many others. That's what draws me here, to find the right path, but putting it into practice is difficult at times. This IS a political site afterall.

Anger is like Pele's lava. It can be used to destroy everything in it's path good or bad or directed to destroy only what is bad. It can also be used to create brand new land.

I do not deny my anger. I just do my best to direct it skillfully.