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Rose Rosetree Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:09 PM
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A Rare View of Hillary, with Face Reading
Senator Clinton's face is unusually expressive for a
politician of either gender. Speaker Nancy Pelosi, for
instance, seems wooden by comparison. (Or more dignified,
depending upon your perspective.)

Even someone without Clinton's mobility has something else
going on facially. It's far more revealing than expression or
body language. Are you counter-culture enough to see it? 
Faces change. They structurally change over time. Every one of
these changes is meaningful. 

For close to 10 years, this discovery drove me. It's not just
that I wrote "Wrinkles Are God's Makeup: How You Can Find
Meaning in Your Evolving Face." During that decade, I
lived facial change. Whenever I could, I'd compare photos of
the same person, searching for insight.
Physiognomy has been done for 5,000 years, but nobody else had
thought to write books about this aspect. 

Understandable! Who had photos back in the day? But whatever
the tragic findings of future historians, deconstructing the
Internet Age, I don't think they'll find that we suffered from
lack of pictures.

Here, on my first official post at this FORUM, I'm going to
point out a handful of really significant changes to Hillary
Clinton's face. Feel free to notice more and add your
observations as comments, below. 

I'll supply the page numbers in WAGM to interpret those
changes and, should you find something that isn't covered
there, I will summarize if you contact me via my blog about
aura reading, face reading and other kinds of deeper
perception. 

That's "Deeper Perception Made Practical" at
http://www.rose-rosetree.com/blog. My blog is also where you
will find the photos referred to in this article. (I haven't
yet learned how to post photo links here, and if any kindly
soul is willing to educate me, it would be so appreciated. I'm
not the smartest tech-type person at DU. I sure hope, because
that would be scary!)

If you look closely, with a face reader's eye, you may be able
to find dozens of changes. And, speaking of finding, I was
fortunate to find a rare head shot of Hillary Clinton, age 21.
If you can help me to locate old photos of other top
presidential candidates, and supply a link, I'll do similar
readings on them. Comment away!

We'll use these two photos to read Clinton's evolving face.
I'm comparing her photo at age 21 with a current photograph,
more than three decades later. 

WARINESS

The Physical Change: Lower eyelid curve means the shape at the
bottom half of an eye. It can range anywhere from super-curvy
to straight. For Clinton, that's just what it does. The huge
openness of her eyes continued well into when she moved into
the White House. I remember staring at her photos in The
Washington Post. 

It's so unusual to have a high-profile political wife with
that degree of openness. Sure enough, attacks began from what
Clinton called "a vast right-wing conspiracy," her
face changed. 

Sure, we can always narrow or round our eyes, moment by
moment, but the default position counts. For Hillary Clinton,
that meant going from 10 to 1.
 
The Inner Meaning:
Clinton learned to trust nobody, not until that person has
proven trustworthy. She may not enjoy people as much as she
once did. But that lost innocence has compensations, one of
which is greater loyalty to those people who do pass her test.


DOWN-ANGLED LEFT EYE

The Physical Change: 
To see eye angles, imagine one dot each at the inner and outer
eye corners. Connect those dots with an imaginary line.
Comparing Clinton's left eye in each photo (which will be on
your right side of the page), note that it used to go up quite
a lot. Now it angles way down.The Inner Meaning: In personal
life, rather than public life, Clinton has gone through hell.
She's come back, sadder and wiser and way more compassionate. 

Interestingly, her left eye now resembles whose? Check out the
current face of her rather famous husband, who has developed a
down-angled left eye as well.

Yes, when husbands and wives come to look alike, that's no
coincidence, not to a face reader, anyway. Every change to the
physical face is meaningful.

CHANGED LOWER LIP 

The Physical Change: Younger, Hillary's lower lip is so much
fuller, it's maybe quadruple the size of her upper lip now.
But that isn't even the most interesting mouth change. The
texture starts off puffy and soft. What happens later?
Reading lip texture is one of the perks of becoming an expert
face reader.
 
Imagine, with practice you don't have to actually kiss a mouth
in order to know about that texture! Hillary's lower lip
became unusually muscular. What does it mean that she lost
that puff, that fluff?
 
The Inner Meaning: Lower lips symbolize communicating facts.
(Upper lips relate to talking about feelings.) 

Clinton must have been some debater back in the day, because
she had a flirtatious quality when talking facts. She could
tell people what they wanted to hear, finding just the
appropriate fact and timing it perfectly. 

Now all she has is the passion of her convictions. When
Hillary speaks now, you may agree or disagree, but you'd have
to be pretty far gone not to believe she's sincere.
The challenge is that she's lost that easy, confident
persuasiveness. Speaking with passion and conviction is not
common among today's high-level politicians. They risk seeming
strident (not to mention losing the Romney-like plasticity). 

For a female politician to speak passionately and assertively
could be a particularly great liability among those who like
their women to be sweet and supportive, more like a Laura
Bush.

CHIN LENGTH

The Physical Change: Chins are the bottom line of the face,
the part that tells so much about ethics and decision making.
Hillary's chin changed in numerous ways. Here I want to
emphasize the sheer length. Notice how petite that chin used
to be. Now her chin is more than double the size, taking into
consideration the proportions on the rest of her face.
 
The Inner Meaning: Earlier, Clinton had one of those
consciences that wouldn't quit. She pushed herself to walk her
talk, and probably was her own worst critic. Today, of course,
she'd be hard pressed to match the virulence of the hatred
directed against her. 

Fortunately, she has toughened up, become more of a risk
taker. Sure she can take attacks on the chin now. She has
grown way more chin. The potential challenge is being
ethically less pristine. If she does become elected, it will
be important for her to guard against this challenge.

NEW PRIORITIES

The Physical Change: For 5,000 years, physiognomists have
compared the three lengths within a face. In my system, these
Priority Areas tell a great deal about how the personality
comes across. Compare these three lengths on Hillary:

Priority Area I: Hairline to highest part of eyebrow.
Priority Area II: Highest part of eyebrow to lowest part of
the nose.
Priority Area III: Lowest part of the nose to the chin (first
chin only, please!)
The college grad had a clear, and dramatic, priority on her
face, Area II.
Now all three Priority Areas have equal length. This is how
Hillary Clinton looks just like King George Bush the First.
 
The Inner Meaning: Ambition showed plainly on the young
woman's face. If you had a strong nose for the scent, you
could smell it a mile off. Now her ambitions have been
incorporated into the rest of her life. She also cares about
learning. Plus she's more street smart. It's easier for
Hillary Clinton now, to appeal to people who fear ambitious
women.
 
But that job will never be easy, not yet. Do you realize that
20 other countries have elected a woman as highest political
official but not yet our oh-so-advanced United States?
 
During the Clinton years, Bob Woodward outed Hillary Clinton
as someone who really admired Eleanor Roosevelt and was even
involved in emulating her in ways that could be called, gasp!
New Age.
 
When we admire people, we do learn from them, whether Woodward
approves or not. Eleanor Roosevelt is one of my heroes as
well. In "Wrinkles Are God's Makeup," I include her
among six famous people whose face changes are discussed in
detail, and Roosevelt leads them all. She changed more than
most people you'll ever meet, 20 significant changes plus
wrinkles. What do you think it means, when somebody's face
changes that much?

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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:18 PM
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1. thank you
it's a fascinating read on a subject I know nothing about. :hi:
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Rose Rosetree Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:24 PM
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3. Thank you so much for being friendly
It means a lot, venturing underground. :-)

Rose

P.S. Can you share where ccpup comes from as a name for you?

Or email to me, roserose-rosetree.com. :-)
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:35 PM
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5. my 10 year old dachshund's name is Cinnamon
and we called her ccpup when she was a puppy. The puppy in my avatar is my other one, Harry, a 2 1/2 year old Norwich terrier.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:25 PM
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2. Wasn't it Coco Chanel who said
by 50 you have the face you deserve? Your post is very interesting though I know absolutely nothing about what you have studied. Thanks for posting!

As for posting pictures, you can save photos at http://photobucket.com (set up a free account) and download them from there to here. Or another way, tho it steals bandwidth from the original poster, is to right click on a pic on the internet. Copy the properties url in the window that opens. Then past it into the body of your message as an url. It will show up in preview and posting as the pic itself.

Welcome to DU and to this forum. I think you will like it here. :hi:
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Rose Rosetree Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:27 PM
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4. Thanks for the workaround, and general encouragement, too
Yes, Lincoln said that, only I think he said it was by 30. I'd say by 18, and it's ongoing. And usually inspiring! :-)

Could I ask a question related to using photobucket pix. Do I just put the address where I want it to be, right in the body of my post?

Ooh, I can be sooooo slow about this. But I can learn. Sigh!

Anyway, great meeting you and thank you so much for your encouragement.

Rose
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:45 PM
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6. Hi Rose! Welcome to DU and this forum!
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 09:49 PM by Dover
Yes you can paste the URL you've saved right into the body of the post. Getting it placed exactly where you want it can be a little bit tricky, but you can practice it here if you like. Just paste it in with some text from your original post and then click 'preview' and you'll be able to see where it is. If you don't like that placement try cutting and pasting it again until you get a feel for how it works.
Then click on 'update message'.

Enjoyed your post!
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Rose Rosetree Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:12 PM
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18. Gak, too sleepy to experiment
Dover, you got me all enthusiastic, but I'm really too bleary eyed to do anything like that now. Ugh, I feel about technology. gquizxakkkkkks........x

But about you, I feel good. :-)

Tomorrow I can try.

Meanwhile, THANK YOU.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:17 PM
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8. Yep.
Just put the url address of the picture given you by photobucket and place it in your post. Preview to make sure its where you want it. You may need to add or delete a space (or line) when placing. Preview it and play with it. Give yourself permission to play with it a bit. It may take a bit longer the first time or two but you will get the hang of it after doing it once or twice.

So, Coco was misquoting Lincoln. Ha! That's great.
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Rose Rosetree Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:14 PM
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19. Yes but she did it with style.
Probably Coco was better dressed. In our full-blown Kali Yuga, clothes count for more, right?

Actually I'm being sarcastic. Don't quite have the emoticon to convey. But one of the big motivators for me about doing deeper perception is that it is a way to go beyond the surface craziness of today's society.

Thanks for your tech tidbit, Rosesaylavee. :-)

From a different Rose!
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:43 PM
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30. Ah, a rose by any other name
I bet smells as sweet ... or someting like that. Here's a pic to play with. :)

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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:03 PM
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11. Also noticed your website link. Followed it and saw your article there with pix.
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 11:05 PM by Dover
So another alternative is to just paste the url to your article page (or your homepage) here and we can follow your link. That way you don't have to do all the 'workarounds', AND everyone can explore your website too! Lots to see there.
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Rose Rosetree Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:15 PM
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20. Thanks and Thanks
Dover, with all these workarounds, this sounds like a less-work.

Sigh! Of pleasure!

Rose, with thanks.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:00 PM
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7. Hi and welcome to the forum!
I do not know anything of facial feature reading so I can't comment on that, just wanted to say hi :)

:hi:
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Rose Rosetree Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:17 PM
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21. You Sweetie
Thank you Shallah.

I don't know everything abour physiognomy (fancy word for "feature reading") either, but I keep learning about it and I love to mix it up with the other kinds of perception.

Your friendliness is so appreciated.

Here's looking at you. ;-)

Rose
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:46 PM
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9. Fascinating Analysis
...or should I say Faceinating? Thank you, Rose, and welcome to DU and this forum!



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Rose Rosetree Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:18 PM
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22. You do puns, toe
Thanks, Vanboggie. You do make me feel welcome.
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:53 PM
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10. Hi Rose! Welcome to DU!
This is quite interesting--thank you for posting it!

And sorry you got some cynics on you in the Late Breaking News forum. For future reference, LBN, General Discussion, and GD: Politics can be quite ugly; I, for one, go there with shields up at all times. But here in the ASAH forum it's nice and soft and warm and fuzzy! Me likes it in here much better than out there in the cold!
:rofl:

:hi: :toast:
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Rose Rosetree Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:20 PM
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23. Your emoticons made me laugh
Thanks for everything you wrote, MorningGlow. I was soooooooo unprepared for the warm reception here. What a lovely surprise.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:10 AM
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12. Welcome to this group & DU
:hi:

Very interesting subject you have going here and on your blog. :)
Often times certain pictures of bush do get commented on in General Discussion. Often times he shows some obvious disturbing traits..His face has changed dramatically over the years.

People also often say, we start resembling our dogs...which reminded me of one of my favorite photographers.
Elliott Erwitt - one of his publications is called "Son of A Bitch", which is a collection of just random dogs with or without their owners we encounter every day..

http://www.elliotterwitt.com/lang/en/index.html
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Rose Rosetree Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:23 PM
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24. Why dogs and owners look alike, IMHO
Rumpel, thank you. About the dogs, I'm asked that question a lot, and you at DU would understand where my answer is coming from, even if you don't quite agree.

I've talked with many animal intuitives who have convinced me that pets, especially dogs, take on a great deal of karma from their owners. They serve. They bond. They even develop illnesses that pertain to the cause-of-illness in the dog owner.

Given that close connection, it's not surprising that they come to look like their owners as well. Which type of animal do you think gets closer, a pet dog, a turtle, or even a cat?

And which tends to look more like the owner?
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:42 PM
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29. well
I would think Waxman must have had a snap turtle for his pet at some point :rofl:

When I auditioned a black panther, one of them was so tame and trained, he looked like a dog, even I could pet him. But this is an extreme and rare exception, black panthers are the most difficult to train and retain their wild instincts.
Now, come to think of it, maybe he resembled the trainer. :)

I agree, especially when the pets sleep in your room, as I understand it, the energies in your sleep state affect the pets. So if you have negative issues that you are in fact working through in the subconscious during sleep - it will affect them, too.

I wonder whether pets also go through changes in their faces corresponding to their owners experience...

I always thought, we can kind of tell in the faces of the elderly, whether that person had a happy life or a troubled one.
Our life is truly etched into the face in form of wrinkles. Deep creases and the mouth, downward or upward, etc all tell a story. I guess constant frowning or grinding teeth or smiling or laughing will make it so.
So, I don't worry so much about wrinkles, when I enter high age, I would like to have happy creases - not indicative of an easy life, but from contentment.

Remember Bill Cosby, "Himself"? As he describes his wife, after they had children? Hillary's mouth seems to show signs towards that. The candidacy surely must be taking an emotional toll. Obama's face also seem to show bitterness. Oddly I don't see any of that in Edwards or Kucinich. But this is just an uninformed observation.

I would love to hear your professional take on this.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 02:01 PM
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34. Been really enjoying the Elliot Erwitt slide show today...thanks Rumpel!
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 02:03 PM by Dover
I especially like the one of the lady sitting in a chair with a very 'sweet' smile and her big white dog with front paws in her lap snarling at the camera. Very revealing!

Also love the teeter-totter photo with man and little girl.

And so many more. A wonderfully talented photographer.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:20 AM
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13. Thanks so much rose and welcome
This study is really fascinating.

As an astrologer I'm often floored when people give me their birth years when they look remarkably younger or older than their years.

When people are overweight I find it especially difficult to approximate their ages.

I love your early assessment of * “According to his aura, he’s so damaged, he can barely think. As for leadership ability, the principal of your nearest elementary school has more leadership ability than Mr. George W. Bush.”

You nailed him early on. Kudos and thanks again.
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Rose Rosetree Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:25 PM
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25. Thanks, Stellanoir
So you're an astrologer. I value my annual progressions from my astrologer as the one reading I get every year. For self, for husband, for son. It can be soooooooooo helpful.

How did you get involved professionally as an astrologer? If that isn't too personal a question....

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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:20 AM
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31. Yeah I work a whole lot with secondary progressions as well.
They are quite compelling for sure.

No that's not too personal a question. Actually it's kind of a funny story. My older brother cast my chart for me when I was 11, and he wouldn't explain it to me. So I started doing research and then learned to cast charts. I read for all sorts of friends and family for free for the next decade.

Then I was renting a room from a woman who was getting her PHd in psychology and she knew I was struggling financially and she encouraged me to go pro. She thought I knew enough and was insightful at that point so she kindly gave me the affirmation I needed. I went to all sorts of national astrology conferences and events after that and learned a great deal from interacting with other astrologers.

Then in my early 30's I starting reading at a store in an area close to several colleges. One day a young client asked me what you just asked me. I told her about my older brother having done my chart when I was young without explaining it to me. She said, "my father did my chart when I was little and didn't explain it to me either."

I examined her more closely and noticed she had really striking eyes. Then I said, "Your father taught my brother how to do astrology." She had inherited her father's eyes. He had been the bass player in my brother's band. I always had been terribly fond of her folks and remembered when her mom was first pregnant with her, but had lost touch with them due to my extensive travels.

I told her, "I guess we're both graduates of The Have Your Chart and Not Have It Explained To You School of Astrology." It was really nice to see her having grown and matured into such a lovely young woman.

Would imagine that you've got an even more intriguing story about how you found your gifts.



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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:38 PM
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14. Welcome to DU, Rose!
I've been getting your email newsletter for some time so I'm happy to see you here! What you do is fascinating and quite different. Your insights into people just from studying their photos are spot-on.
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Rose Rosetree Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:29 PM
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26. Thanks for bugging me with love
I'm all wired for sound now, Lovebug. ;-)

It's good to meet you. Sending out my zine every month is a lot like doing radio interviews. You know somebody is out there but it doesn't quite seem real until someone actually gives you feedback.

For you Undergrounders, Lovebug is referring to an Online Zine that I send out once monthly, just once. It has more in-depth articles than can be done on a site like this.

You can try a free subscription for a while by logging on at the home page, http://www.rose-rosetree.com.

If you like it, then we'll really sock you for some major fees. Just kidding! It's a complete freebie. I don't even sell or rent the data, because that's where spam comes from. And those of us at this forum know that spam is just another name for "Bad Karma."

Anyway, thank you for writing, Lovebug.
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:45 AM
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32. Before the 06 election you did a reading on Amy Klobuchar
and you were correct about her. She did win her race for the Senate in Minnesota and although she's had some bumps along the way, she is a good person and is everything positive you said about her.
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GardeningGal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:34 PM
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15. I took a quick look at your blog and it was very interesting.
I bookmarked it so I can go back and look around more when I have a little more time.

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Rose Rosetree Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:31 PM
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27. Thanks, GardeningGal
I would definitely expect friend potential between a GardeningGal and a RoseRosetree! I appreciate your stopping by!
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:09 PM
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16. Welcome to DU!
And thank you for such an interesting post!
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:25 PM
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17. Thank you for posting this, Rose.
It's extremely interesting to look closely.

Welcome to the group! :hi:

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Rose Rosetree Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:34 PM
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28. Curiouser and Curiouser
That's what Lewis Carol might have said. Oh wait, he did. ;-)

Just not about looking closely.

I'm so glad to be welcomed by you. I have soooooooooo many dreams. No wonder I really love your name.
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BluePatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:48 PM
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33. Hello!
Welcome to the forum, it's neat to read about something new.

I have a question for you - when my thyroid problem was pending diagnosis my face puffed up like a balloon. Now it's sort of better after medication but I still have kind of a "moon face," lol. Have you ever encountered this before in a face reading and do you feel it has any particular meaning? I am curious since my face has undergone radical change in the last year.

I know about the throat chakra link to thyroid, etc.

Here's some photos you might find interesting showing before and after of this phenomenon. They are really striking!

http://www.type2hypothyroidism.com/Type1VsType2.html

(Warning - last photo is probably NSFW (medical nudity) )
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