Astrology and the February Primaries -- John Edwards

With SP Moon currently beginning it's conjunction to John Edwards' Natal Jupiter, one can expect him to have the opportunity to do better in the February 5th Primaries than many would have anticipated a month ago. I don't know -- looking at the transits that immediately follow and continue throughout the rest of the month and into March -- if he does well enough to have a realistic shot at earning the necessary delegate-count, but he continues (with the SP Moon conjunct an optimistic Jupiter/Moon natal conjunction until March 1st) to feel relatively good.

Much can be gleaned about the success (or not) of John Edwards on the 5th of February (or Super Tuesday) by looking at what happens to his chart immediately afterward:

Tr. Jupiter snaps into an opposition with his Ascendant as well as being inconjunct his SP (Secondary Progressed) Sun, Tr. Chiron moves inconjunct his Natal Uranus (on February 7th) and Tr. Mars -- having finally turned direct -- now begins to challenge his MC by square. Add to that Tr. Venus moving to conjunct his Natal Chiron as well as inconjunct his Natal Sun three days later (on February 8th), it believe it's safe to say that any optimism he's hanging onto is perhaps due more to the SP Moon conjunct his Jupiter -- although dampened by a long Tr. Saturn retrograde square -- and his own fighting spirit and not to the reality of the race on the ground.

The wild card, of course -- as it always is -- is Uranus and, in this case, it's tightly trine his Natal Uranus by 3 minutes! I don't know if a "big win" is supported by the transits and progressions in the rest of the chart, but in some way somehow he may do something that's unexpected and which shakes the field, if only briefly (due to the flash-of-lightning nature of Uranus).

I suspect, at the end of the day, much will be like it was before for John Edwards. And, unfortunately, this suspicion is supported by Tr. Saturn currently involved in a square with his Jupiter/Moon conjunction for the remainder of the February contests, dampening whatever party Uranus trine Natal Uranus and SP Moon conjunct Jupiter try to stir up.

Let's take a look, then, at the Maine Caucus on February 10th.

With Tr. Venus square his Saturn/Neptune conjunction and inconjunct his Pluto and Tr. Saturn continuing it's retrograde journey square his Jupiter/Moon conjunction, there's still a note of tension and challenge in the air. And that Tr. Uranus which may help him with that trine to his Natal Uranus on the 5th has now moved away and begins it's journey into an eventual square with his Sun (but not until mid-March).

Interestingly, Tr. Neptune is one week away from completing a 10-week waning trine (not as powerful as a waxing aspect, but not to be ignored either) with his Saturn/Neptune conjunction as well as his Natal Pluto. I suspect this transit had much to do with his ability to tap into the hopes and dreams of those who work hard (Saturn) for illusory gain (Neptune) and his People Against The Powerful message. But with this long transit ending at about the same time the February Primaries end, his ability to powerfully convey that message may be ending as well. Or at least in the context of this campaign.

Which brings us to February 12 and the DC, Maryland and Virginia contests with their 238 delegates.

I've looked and looked and I don't see much changing in his chart from the 10th. Tr. Mars is still square his MC, Tr. Saturn is still square his natal Jupiter/Moon conjunction (as well as that SP Moon currently conjunct his Natal Jupiter) and Tr. Chiron is still inconjunct his Natal Uranus as it has been since February 7th. In comparison to the charts of the other candidates, I don't think he'll do as well as he needs to in order to realistically stay in the game. Not that he'll leave at this time, but it may become more and more unrealistic mathematically (delegate-wise) looking down the road.

But let's look at February 19 and the contests in Hawaii, Washington and Wisconsin with their 218 delegates to make sure.

Despite what may have been some stirring speeches with the station of Tr. Mercury one degree from a trine with his Jupiter/Moon conjunction, Tr. Saturn -- having moved slowly through it's retrograde phase to square this Jupiter/Moon conjunction -- now officially squares his Moon and, with Tr. Chiron still introducing a frustrating and at times wounding tension in his desire to change (with an inconjunct to his Uranus), I don't know if the Primaries this day will give him the result he'd like.

He DOES have Tr. Mars approaching his Natal Mars for a Mars Return in three days time so he may be "fired up" and energetic, but as the transit is quick (lasting only three days), I don't know if it's enough to make up for the squares and inconjuncts that populate his chart.

But when this Tr. Saturn leaves the square to his Moon, it DOES begin a waning trine to his Natal Venus, so I don't believe he'll drop out at this time, preferring to stay in -- despite whatever odds he may face -- and fight throughout early-March.

By comparison, though, he does have the most troubled chart of the three, so I don't see how exactly he would emerge victorious this time around.

the other two are very close in what they want, from what I've read--Edwards' ideas are coming from a different perspective.

one of the candidates. It should keep him in the running until the convention. He really is the only candidate who can beat McCain. They say Obama can beat McCain but my vibes are saying no and Hillary definitely can't.

Another Repub president. SOMEBODY TELL ME I'M WRONG, QUICK!! :banghead:

neither of the Republican Candidates have the Progressions or Transits that Hillary (or, to some extent, Barack) has.

Their charts are "dead" on Election Day and on Inauguration Day by comparison.

I'm relieved to hear it. :hi:

I think it can be confusing, because there is the fact that a person wins by most votes, yet they do not get the office.
I've thought for some time that the fix was in for Giuliani, the thug of choice. Today he was interviewed and the article made a big deal of his being able to say "I told you so." He says he doesn't need to campaign and that whoever wins Florida wins the nomination. I haven't looked at it astrologically, just a bad dream that comes to me as a worse case scenario.

the pick too. He got so much media coverage after SC even though he hasn't even been campaigning any where except Florida. We know Jeb will ensure he wins Florida. I will have to leave the country if he is the selected one for president. That would be such a disgrace for our country.

does that mean you're considering only two? Which?
Thanks
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and neither of those two have anything close to the transit, secondary progression or solar arc activity around Election Day or Inauguration Day that Hillary or Barack have.

no wonder R's are so bummed this election season. It's hardly a fair fight (and yes I'm sick of everyone treating elections like a pro wrestling match but it's reality).

to see what may be in store?

as well as the inconjunct action, I don't know that he will. He may do fairly well on Super Tuesday, but not as well as either Barack or Hillary. And then as we move throughout the month, it may become obvious that it's an impossible mountain mathematically for him to climb.

Or I could be wrong! As I told Stella recently, I really don't mind egg on my face as long as it tightens my pores. :evilgrin:

if they're not winning primaries or racking up the delegates with a realistic shot at hitting the magic 2025 number. He would have to dip into his own finances or find donors willing to bankroll his continuation of, basically, his Message with no foreseeable shot at the Presidency. It'd be quite a risky move for him leading perhaps to a great deal of personal financial debt.

Let me see how the February astrology turns out for him before I share my thoughts on his March and April astrology.

I know its time-consuming, but I really appreciate your insights! :hi:

but I always appreciated write-ups similar to this when I was learning and I hope "newbies" here -- regardless whether they agree with me or not -- do as well. :hi:

that astrology isn't a prediction written in stone. I remind myself these are energies and the outcome is still determined by self will. If we don't have the ability to rise above whatever the planets throw at us, then all is lost. Give up. I don't think Spirit would do such a thing.

Astrological influences are only that -- influences, and self will is a far more powerful influence on outcome, IMO.

is going to start hiding astrology threads again. Is that SP or AC or could it be LB? (lobotomy)

The planets don't "throw" anything at us, per se. They do, however, clearly indicate the experience we can have and how we generally feel about it.

A person with a plethora of "hard" aspects will generally be feeling less celebratory than a person with so-called "easy" aspects. It's less about what the planets do or don't do "to" us than it is the way in which we experience it.

will experience aspects -- "hard" or "easy". That is why I have difficulty in predictions based solely on planetary aspects. The individual is far more powerful than any planetary influence.

based on previous experience, see how these aspects manifest and go from there.

As for predictions based solely on aspects, I've offered only the upcoming aspects -- only briefly mentioning Secondary Progression or Solar Arc activity -- as I didn't wish to offer a veritable book on each candidate. I'm not sure many on DU would appreciate an astrological tome about the month of February.

But I am keenly aware as I offer my astrological opinion of the present and upcoming Secondary Progression and Solar Arc activity in each candidate's chart and know that my suspicions about how each one will handle the transits are supported by the mood clearly indicated in the chart by these individual Secondary Progressions and Solar Arcs.

Again, you make it sound as if a person has to fight against the planets when it's not that way at all. A planet doesn't DO anything to a person, so there is no FIGHT to be had. But they do indicate HOW that person is experiencing their reality at the time. Some people work better with Saturn, others work better with Jupiter and still others love the challenge of Pluto.

Working WITH the planetary energy is the best way to go as Saturn rewards one for slowing down and doing the job right, Jupiter rewards one for focusing on it's more positive qualities -- and not the Blind Faith Overoptimistic Delusional ones -- and Pluto helps one to dig deep and exorcise and understand (and embrace) one's long-hidden demons. Ignoring each planet -- or fighting it, in other words -- and the opportunities they present for growth is often where the reality of one's experience becomes unnecessarily tricky.

Predictions aren't made in a vacuum. One can go back and see how the native handled previous Saturn, Jupiter and Pluto in order to gauge how the upcoming transit -- in relation to the rest of the chart -- might be experienced.

I do appreciate your thoughts, though, and your fighting spirit. :hi:

I appreciate you sharing your thoughts, and, I apologize for coming across as combative.

I am struggling to realize my own power at this time, and, I suspect that this makes me more sensitive to predictions, etc. that may be construed as "potentially being at the mercy of forces beyond our control".

I do appreciate your wonderful contributions to this forum.

Your questions gave me an opportunity to clarify (for you as well as myself and others) my thoughts on how, exactly, the planets we astrologers follow in transit, solar progression and solar arc manifest in our lives. So, it was a good chance for you and perhaps those lurking to get more of a sense of how being aware of the energy present because of the movement of the planets can help us harness this energy and move forward without unnecessary struggle.

But there will always be struggle somewhere. If we lived our lives without it, well, we'd be dead! :evilgrin:

Was just a phrase. Did not mean it "per se". And I'm not so sure that they do "clearly indicate" anything at all!

I failed to notice -- in the haze and maze of transits and progressions -- that a Solar Eclipse at 17 Aquarius is happening on February 6th, the day after Super Tuesday.

Interestingly, in light of the current wild card Tr. Uranus trine his Natal Uranus he's experiencing, we now have this Solar Eclipse one degree past an inconjunct with Natal Uranus as well.

Now, I'm not sure if this Eclipse -- being one degree past the inconjunct (or quincunx, if you will) -- will somehow mute the Uranus trine Uranus that day or if it will add to the mix of changing how we view him. I'd have better luck, I think (due to the inherently tricky nature of both Eclipses and Uranus transits not to mention Eclipses TO Uranus involving Uranus transits!), closing my eyes and throwing darts at a board.

Just felt it important to add this new info. :hi:

He does currently -- and has since September -- have SP Jupiter conjunct his Natal Sun. Although I'm not sure it's enough to combat the Saturn square and other "hard" aspects during this Primary Season -- it doesn't become exact until May 2009 --, it may be enough to give him a Cabinet Position in the new Administration.

The fact that his SP Moon moves to conjunct this Natal Sun in very early January to start a personal New Moon phase supports this suspicion.

I'll be shocked.

Astrologically, though, retrograde Tr. Saturn just clicked into a square with his Natal Jupiter which is also being hit today, as well, by an inconjunct with Tr. Venus.

I still won't believe it -- him dropping out today -- until I see it, but the astrology for the day COULD support it. Not that I would have called it as Venus transits tend to move quick and don't make too great an impact usually. Unless ...

Unless the Tr. Venus inconjunct to his Jupiter/Moon is signifying the tension (inconjunct) he's having with financially (Venus) being able to move forward (Jupiter). And with the Tr. Saturn square Jupiter introducing an added sense of being "stuck", perhaps it does make sense.

Again, won't believe it until I see it.

edited to add that I guess it is true (per the NY Times and his Senior Advisers). I'll have to start following those quick transit planets -- like Venus -- a bit more in the future especially when they aspect Natal Planets being hit by a strong planet like Saturn or Pluto.

His astrology -- and I still believe he'll get a surprising number of votes on Super Tuesday despite the fact that he's dropped out -- just didn't support a long journey in this nomination process, but he's not going anywhere politically for a long time.

I think he may get the AG job in the New Administration.