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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:41 PM
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Texas is a Capricorn state...major shifts, political and otherwise, under Pluto and Jupiter
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 09:23 PM by Dover


Article from the latest issue of Texas Monthly Magazine, about a 36 year veteran of astrology, Nan Hall Linke, who lives in Texas:

...You wanted to know about the future of Texas, so I made a chart. Texas was born on December 29, 1845, which means that it is a Capricorn. What I did is I progressed the chart to 2008, to see where things were headed. What’s interesting is that Texas has the planet Jupiter in the sign Taurus, which rules agriculture and animal husbandry. What that says to me is that the future of our state is still in our land—whether it’s oil or wind farming or whatever. The strongest element in the state’s chart is earth, and it’s in a new moon, which is associated with leaders and pioneers, so we should see more innovation. None of that is very surprising. But something did amaze me when I looked at this. I said, “Well, if I didn’t know better, I’d say that this state is going to go Democratic!” Jupiter goes into Capricorn in 2008, and the last time Jupiter was in Capricorn, the state went Republican. Amazing, huh? That’s what astrology does. It helps us see the invisible.

http://www.texasmonthly.com/2008-02-01/theworkinglife.php

I'm sure the end of the oil barons will be one such shift, along with political/gov. changes.
New energy behemoths attempting to own the wind and the sun and the water will likely take their place unless people rise up against them.

And here's, perhaps, and inkling of corruption scams that we'll see more of. I know that gov. "good hair" Perry was forced to turn over his emails by some guy in Michigan using the open records law.
Wouldn't Molly Ivins be proud!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=180x47715




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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:35 PM
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1. I'm really surprised that Texas is Capricorn. I would have guessed...
that it was a fire sign.



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Sweet Freedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:04 PM
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2. You and me both! /nt
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:29 AM
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3. I'm wondering if she's ever drawn an alternate chart for the Republic of Texas.
March 2, 1836 (Texas Independence Day) is when the war of independence from Mexico started, and it was over at the Battle of San Jacinto, April 21, 1836. Pretty short war. We were a Republic for ten years and the date she is using is when we joined the Union.

I wonder what that chart would say?

Nan Hall Linke used to do short segments on TV in Houston.
She's been around a long time.

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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:21 AM
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4. I would definitely go with the Republic date.
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 01:37 AM by votesomemore
Seems like a native would understand that. We are still a Republic, even though we joined the Union.
That's why years ago (and still in parts of West Texas) there are groups who urge succession.

edit:

Chart for 4/21/1836 12 noon Houston, TX

Sun Taurus 1°38'36 end of house 9 direct
Moon Cancer 5°49'07 in house 11 direct
Mercury Aries 21°21'49 in house 9 direct
Venus Gemini 15°16'32 in house 11 direct
Mars Aries 3°41'39 in house 9 direct
Jupiter Cancer 9°44'25 in house 12 direct
Saturn Scorpio 1°59'01 end of house 3 retrograde
Uranus Pisces 3°37'06 in house 8 direct
Neptune Aquarius 5°55'51 end of house 6 direct
Pluto Aries 14°44'26 in house 9 direct
True Node Taurus 20°08'38 in house 10 direct

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Leo 8°16'16
2nd House Virgo 2°00'48
3rd House Virgo 29°50'52
Imum Coeli Scorpio 2°01'42
5th House Sagittarius 6°02'22
6th House Capricorn 8°32'42
Descendant Aquarius 8°16'16
8th House Pisces 2°00'48
9th House Pisces 29°50'52
Medium Coeli Taurus 2°01'42
11th House Gemini 6°02'22
12th House Cancer 8°32'42

There's the fire sign, on the Ascendant.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:51 AM
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7. So could somebody please explain what this chart means?
I'm a native Texan, and not an astrologer.

However, I know of a former Okie who lives in Rockport, TX, and has a daily astrology report:
www.skywatchastrology.com

I wonder what Lance Ferguson would think of the Republic of Texas chart. I think the Battle of San Jacinto ended in the late afternoon (haven't looked it up), because the "Yellow Rose of Texas" was busy distracting General Santa Anna in his tent, allegedly.

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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:56 AM
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5. I first noticed that about Texas two years ago.
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 01:59 AM by BlueIris
Capricorn state, (like most US states, I believe) Aquarius moon (which explains Austin, if you ask me).
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:49 AM
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6. Oh, I think it's very Capricornian
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 03:02 AM by Dover
I'm sure there are some arguments to be made for the other birth date too, but I sure see the Capricorn nature of this State. Texas, though certainly fitting the bill as 'earthy' in either case, is not a warm,fuzzy, touchy feely type of earthiness (Taurus loves to have his belly rubbed). It's more the goat, with an edge to its chiseled terrain and somewhat rigid demeanor. Sometimes stifling in its conservativeness and clinging to the old ways, but with earthy smarts and a practical approach to the problems facing us. A very hands-on tactile approach to solving things.

This is an article titled, Tomorrow Never Dies, in that same magazine, about predictions of the future which is very interesting in its entirety. But here are some excerpts that define Texas a bit:

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This has been particularly true during the nearsighted, fearful decade at the start of the twenty-first century. People always believe that the era in which they live is the most perilous in history, but perhaps this only means that people in the present are always right. Jeopardy accumulates over time. Shortly after the end of World War II, a social scientist named Samuel Lilley wrote that “the most prominent psychological feature of the world of 1946 is the very prevalent feeling of uncertainty about the future.” Nineteen forty-six? The war was won, the economy was on the cusp of a decades-long boom, baseball was clean, men wore hats. These days the horizon is much cloudier. To pose just a few of this generation’s quandaries: How will our finite supply of water support the endless growth of our population? (See “The Last Drop,”) Will oil run out and what will happen if it does? (See “The Gospel According to Matthew,”) How will the contours of our culture be reshaped by immigration? (See “El Gobernador,” or just look out the window.)

Though these puzzles cause sleepless nights in every time zone, each has a particular resonance in Texas. All our large cities face critical water shortages; as a global energy capital (and the leading source of carbon dioxide emissions in the country), we have a crucial role to play in the endgame of the petroleum industry and the move toward a carbon-constrained economy; our demographics are at the vanguard of the rest of the country’s. The future is here. There’s some irony to this, since who imagines Texas as especially futuristic? A strong case could be made that the opposite is true, that a unique obsession with the past defines Texans. Our laws are crafted by legislators who sit behind antique wooden desks, surrounded by enormous oil paintings of bygone battles, their microphones concealed in old ink pot wells. Our most famous war cry is not “Forward!” or “Onward!” or “God be with us!” It’s “Remember the Alamo!” We have a tendency to gaze backward in this state; yet as more than one subject interviewed for this issue commented, we now have a great obligation, to the world and to ourselves, to look ahead.

Still, how to avoid pulling a Kaempffert? How to ensure, for instance, that none of the geniuses on this month’s carefully curated list of “35 People Who Will Shape Our Future” will end up droning on the television at four in the morning, peddling their innovations for $19.95?

Fortunately, this question (or one like it) has so perennially dogged mankind that a long tradition of expertise exists. From the oracle at Delphi to the Old Farmer’s Almanac, not a single generation has trod the earth without contriving some means of peering into the mists of tomorrow. The Hebrews turned to their prophets, the Babylonians to their sheep entrails, the ancient Chinese to their oracular ox bones and turtle shells. In these more technocratic times, we turn to “futurists,” consultants (usually for corporate clients) whose claim to know what lies ahead is based more on research than innate gift. Though they have little in common with the half-mad seers of the past, futurists remain somewhat eccentric—their job is to remain on the outskirts, looking for unseen patterns and challenging old paradigms, so they have no home in any one field. They are the nomads of the Information Age, always one step beyond everyone else.

Texas, it turns out, is awash in futurists, due partly to the concentration of big tech and energy companies and partly to the graduate program in Future Studies at the University of Houston, which offers courses like “Scenarios and Visions” and “Strategic Planning.” Our state also boasts four chapters of the World Future Society, a sort of international clearinghouse for experts and dabblers in the forecast business, though only one chapter, in Austin, is currently active. In November, I visited the group’s monthly meeting, looking for guidance. Its founder, Paul Schumann, offered his gloomy counsel.

“Right now we’re in a period of collapse,” he explained when I inquired as to the fate of all mankind. “On the other side of that collapse, life will be much simpler, but it will be a very different kind of life, and a lot of the fighting that you see going on right now is because people are afraid of that change.”

The latter half of his analysis made some sense, but I wanted to know more about the “simple life.” What exactly did he foresee? A radical return to the agrarian routines of our ancestors? The sealing of all borders? Basic cable? But Schumann declined to supply particulars. The world had become so maddeningly complex, he told me, that two or three years was the outer limit for “an integrated view.”...>


http://www.texasmonthly.com/2008-02-01/btl.php

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If anyone has a chart of the Capricorn Texas chart I'd love to take a look. I couldn't find one online.




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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:04 PM
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8. The Dec. 29th date was when Tx. 'officially' became a state in the union.
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 01:25 PM by Dover
Before that it was a sovereign state that had broken away from Mexico. So that independence from Mexico was a first step that eventually led to full partnership in the union. So astrologically perhaps you could argue that the March 2 Independence was the day of conception but that Dec. 29th was it's birth as a full state entity in its current form.

From Wikipedia:

The Republic of Texas was a sovereign state in North America between the United States and Mexico that existed from 1836 to 1845. Formed as a break-away republic from Mexico by the Texas Revolution, the nation claimed borders that encompassed an area that included all of the present U.S. state of Texas, as well as parts of present-day New Mexico, Oklahoma, Kansas, Colorado, and Wyoming based upon the Treaties of Velasco between the newly created Texas republic and Mexico. The eastern boundary with the United States was defined by the Adams-Onís Treaty between the United States and Spain, in 1819. Its southern and western-most boundary with Mexico was under dispute throughout the existence of the Republic, with Texas claiming that the boundary was the Rio Grande, and Mexico claiming the Nueces River as the boundary. This dispute would later become a trigger for the Mexican–American War, after the annexation of Texas.

..snip..

On February 28, 1845, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that would authorize the United States to annex the Republic of Texas. On March 1 U.S. President John Tyler signed the bill. The legislation set the date for annexation for December 29 of the same year. Faced with imminent American annexation of Texas, Charles Elliot and Alphonse de Saliny, the British and French ministers to Texas, were dispatched to Mexico City by their governments. Meeting together with Mexico's foreign secretary, they signed a "Diplomatic Act" which offered Mexican recognization of Texas independence, with boundaries that would be determined with French and English mediation. Texas President Jones forwarded both offers to a specially elected convention meeting at Austin, and the American proposal was accepted with only one dissenting vote. The Mexican proposal was never put to a vote. Following the previous decree of President Jones, the proposal was then put to a national vote.

On October 13, 1845 a large majority of voters in the Republic approved both the American offer and the proposed constitution that specifically endorsed slavery and the slave trade. This constitution was later accepted by the U.S. Congress, making Texas a U.S. state on the same day annexation took effect, December 29, 1845 (therefore bypassing a territorial phase)<1>. One of the motivations for annexation (besides the primary one of desiring to be united with their perceived Anglo-American ethno-cultural brethren of the United States and their Anglo-American brethren of "the South" regional-cultural was that the Texas government had incurred huge debts which the United States agreed to assume upon annexation. In 1852, in return for this assumption of debt, a large portion of Texas-claimed territory, now parts of Colorado, Kansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Wyoming, was ceded to the Federal government.

The annexation resolution has been the topic of some incorrect historical beliefs— one that remains is that the resolution granted Texas the explicit right to secede from the Union. This was a right argued by some to be implicitly held by all states at the time, up until the conclusion of the Civil War. The resolution did include two unique provisions: first, it said that up to four additional states could be created from Texas's territory, with the consent of the State of Texas. The resolution did not include any special exceptions to the provisions of the US Constitution regarding statehood. The right to create these possible new states was not "reserved" for Texas, as is sometimes stated. <2>. Second, Texas did not have to surrender its public lands to the federal government. While Texas did cede all territory outside of its current area to the federal government in 1850, it did not cede any public lands within its current boundaries. This means that generally, the only lands owned by the federal government within Texas have actually been purchased by the government. This also means that the state government has control over oil reserves which were later used to fund the state's public university system. In addition, the state's control over offshore oil reserves in Texas runs out to 3 leagues (10.357015 miles) rather than three miles (5 km) as with other states <3>.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Texas
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:51 AM
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9. Thanks for posting that.
I believed that point of history. Several years ago, I saw a tv special about some groups in Texas claiming that very thing. Very believable. The reality is interesting as well.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 08:21 PM
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10. Yes, I think I saw that same program. They keep trying to resurrect that issue
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 08:29 PM by Dover
and many from that posse would prefer to secede from the union entirely.

I was thinking about what this Pluto/Capricorn energy might mean to Texas and to the U.S.
If it could draw more on its deep roots in the land I can see how that connection to nature might become very important to the development of natural systems, sustainable living practices, stewardship in general and a new form of governance.
Becoming better stewards of the Earth is one way to bring in the feminine energies as well (which might be hard to imagine good ol'boy Texans being capable of!). But there are many signs of things moving in that direction, from Statewide programs like 'wildlife management' to xeriscaping, to water laws that encourage reuse and collection, to green building (we're a leader in that area), and even people moving onto their mini-ranchettes...as horrendous as that has been for the land and water resources, has been a reintroduction for many into the beauty and pleasures of living closer to the earth and who in turn become strong advocates for protections and sustainable technologies. And the Mexican American community bring an invaluable connection to the earth with them as they relocate in Texas. As the borders between Tex./Mexico are swung wider open for trade, that influence will grow even more.
So when I think about all this I muster some hope that Texas will suffer a death of the sort that Pluto brings, and will in the next two decades or so be reborn as a teacher, a model, a steward of the land.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:23 PM
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11. The county next to mine here in south Texas has some
fervent Republic of Texas folks in it. I don't particularly care to be around them. They tend to be radical and they remind me of Ron Paul. They don't have much patriotism, the way I see it.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:43 AM
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12. Texas chart information


The chart makers in the book, Horoscopes Of U.S. States And Cities, chose the noon hour for their charts which might bring the rising signs and moon signs into question. But they seem to fit for the Texas chart.

So interesting... Tx is a Capricorn state with Aries rising and a Cap moon. So there is the fire that Dream mentioned she sensed. Pioneering spirit, with earthy hands to get things done and a dry wit in that Cap moon. Also pretty conservative overall (though according to the author Texas is also in a large SW zone ruled by Aquarius). Both Cap and Aries are cardinal signs but definitely have friction between the two energies which is evident.

Austin is ALSO a Capricorn town with the latter degrees of Pisces Asc.and Moon in Leo.

Houston is a Gemini town with Virgo Asc. and Moon in Cancer.


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ricochetastroman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:36 PM
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13. The secret is Chiron
When you place Chiron on their 1845 chart, it lists at: 5 Libra, right across from Mars/Uranus in ARIES
and
it makes a T-square to THE SUN!

You knew it HAD to be Leonine, the Sun! Even though the Sun is in Capricorn, it is still the Sun.

That's why, "you don't mess with Texas", and that's why everything is big there.
From the large ego of the Aries planets mixed in with the Leo nature.

I've had EVERYTHING change since I've hard-coded Chiron into all of my charts.
What a (pluto in Capricorn) revolution!
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:26 PM
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14. Interesting! I hadn't thought about Chiron's influence.
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 01:28 PM by Dover
Did you do a chart then? What location did you choose? I started to do a chart but couldn't figure out WHERE the historical deed was done. Also the time given in the book is EST which I suppose was in effect back then (changed later in history?).

Anyway, if you have a chart you could post I'd love to visually see what you're talking about.
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ricochetastroman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:35 AM
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15. I did a Solar Chart
I put the Sun on the ascendant which wouldn't change no matter what time or place in TX
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