Care to share your experience with Chrion?

This is mine:

Chiron in the Sixth House

You can always help (or teach) co-workers do the job better than you can do it. Perhaps you are a whiz at helping everyone else get healthy (the 6th house rules health) while you still smoke and eat junk food. Learn to take care of yourself every now and then. Sometimes it works out in the opposite fashion. Someone with a 6th house Chiron might demand that everyone else serve them, and they are usually never satisfied. Of course, obviously, this causes problems too. And oh yes, let us not forget the tendency toward eating disorders. This can also manifest as strange likes and dislikes in the food department.

Chiron is associated with the emotional wounds we receive early on in our lives. The sign Chiron is in will dominate but the house placing will show in which area the personality is motivated and into which they will put their efforts. In the sixth house, it may indicate a pre-occupation with health issues, maybe to do with accidents when you were young. You tend to obsess about your own health. You have great healing ability and when you have come to the point of dealing with your own issues, you will achieve great success in this field.

http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/chironinhouses.html


Chiron in Capricorn

Capricorn has to do with our ability to control and organize. Chiron here can make you over organized and compulsively controlling. Conversely, there could be rebellion against being organized at all. As always, Chiron seems to do best when aimed outward, toward others. This is a good placement for an efficiency expert, or for someone whose career involves helping others organize things.

http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/chironinthesigns.html

My mother used to run us to the doctor at every little thing. It annoyed my dad endlessly. I HATE doctors. (except the ones who have saved my life) I'm reminded of an incident when I was very young. We had gotten locked out of the house. My mother is expert at locking herself out of houses and cars. It has made me overly cautious of making sure I have KEYS in my hand and know where they are at all times. On this particular occasion, I started getting stomach cramps. It hurt so bad. She forgot about getting into the house and rushed me to the clinic. When we got there I had to use the restroom. After I went, my stomach didn't hurt anymore! That must have been the first time I realized that holding urine could cause physical pain! :eyes: I certainly do have an intense interest in healing, but I know a helluva lot more than I practice. In Capricorn, at one time I was an organizational expert. People paid me to set up filing systems. That trait has completely flipped and I am one of the most disorganized people ever. It really bugs me too.

Chiron is in my ninth house and if you can read my screen name, you'll see how well this fits:



Chiron in Aquarius

This can be a sort of Svengali placement. You may have a genius for helping other people express their genius. Aquarius (being an air sign) rules ideas. Its specialty is new, far-out, revolutionary, shocking, and bizarre ideas, the ones that society hasn't caught up with yet. As always with Chiron, someone with this placement may be devoted totally to radical, new systems of thought, or reject them entirely. In both cases, they may not even consider other points of view. The solution lies in remembering that Chiron serves as a bridge between Saturn (everything old and conservative) and Uranus (out with the old, in with the new, and do it damn fast). Don't stick blindly with the old, but don't throw it out before you think about it first. Look for a way to blend the old with the new and you will make a start to dealing with your Chiron in Aquarius.

UNDERSTANDING it. I love ideas. But my big ideas never really settle down. I want to grasp the Aquarius energy so badly, but being Air, I can never get a handle on it!

Something interesting; my last lover (Aquarius) was the only person who ever said, "Why Syzygy has a good idea!" (on how to deal with the situation at hand) He liked my ideas and expressed them to others. I really liked that about him.

Do you think your interpretation sheds any light on your psychic aspirations?

so is my girlfriend who is a student of astrology for 35 years at understanding Chiron.
The books only take me so far.
I know it is very critical.
I am CONVINCED that it rules Virgo.
What I am downloading is this: It is vague to say the "wounded/healer", even though it is probably close to "truth"
I see it in a natal chart as the area where one is LEAST likely to be honest with yourself - thereby ready to "heal" everybody else.
The just is way out though. I think it's gonna take me a long time to get a handle on this unusual energy.

It's REALLY strong in the charts I have of healers.
It's really strong also in the charts of those who are inspired to do this or that. And I mean intensely!

if it is "really strong"?

remember that, I think, everyone born between 1952 and 1987 has Chiron opposite Uranus, so you must downplay it.
Since Chiron orbits in 51 years and Uranus in 84, it took them a while to get "out of opposition"

I put a lot of emphasis if it is near the angles, i.e., houses 1, 4, 7 and 10
Especially it if is close.

Also, since I've been studying it for 1 year plus, it has created so many more Tsquares to planets. Tsquares TO IT are massively important too. Close conjunctions to the Sun or Moon also.

I've noticed with people that have it close the the 4 angles, they almost have NO CHOICE, they just have to be a healer or some type.

Your's is fairly strong being involved in a very close tsquare with Uranus to Neptune, all within 1 degree. I suggest you go back and look as planets transited the 24th degree of any cardinal point. You get great amounts of Pisces from that tsquare, I believe.

The Chiron return is huge too. SO much investigation to do.
Keep up the hard work Syz! You are getting so good at this! my 2 cents

p.s. Chiron is usually very strong with all my students, I used to think it was Uranus, maybe it's both!?

that might tie into what's going on here, is that when I learn new things, I have to get them organized in such a way ... It's like all this astrology stuff is a big jumble, and I have to pull out one piece at a time and fit it in. Then a new piece might shift all the other pieces. I don't learn holistically. I CAN synthesize very well. But only after I understand each and every piece. I've got to take it apart. It's engineer thinking. My son is the same way and he has the degree to prove it.

Thanks so much for the encouragement! Good to know I'm getting somewhere :D

How does one tell which planets are in which house? I have a chart... but I don't know where to look for the houses.

are the ones at the center of the wheel. Your Chiron is in the second house in Aquarius.

The second house deal didn't resonate but the Chiron in Aquarian sure did. Ha.

"Chiron in Aquarius
This can be a sort of Svengali placement. You may have a genius for helping other people express their genius. Aquarius (being an air sign) rules ideas. Its specialty is new, far-out, revolutionary, shocking, and bizarre ideas, the ones that society hasn't caught up with yet. As always with Chiron, someone with this placement may be devoted totally to radical, new systems of thought, or reject them entirely. In both cases, they may not even consider other points of view. The solution lies in remembering that Chiron serves as a bridge between Saturn (everything old and conservative) and Uranus (out with the old, in with the new, and do it damn fast). Don't stick blindly with the old, but don't throw it out before you think about it first. Look for a way to blend the old with the new and you will make a start to dealing with your Chiron in Aquarius."

I am the 'pusher' in my home for Art. My husband is a sculptor and my son is a budding musician. I can think of all sorts of ways to promote what they do but am truly stuck when it comes to me. I love new ways of thinking about things. It's a big deal with me. The more radical - especially if it has a practical application - the better I like it. Trouble sometimes bites me when I can 'see' what an idea will do and others just think I am nuts... until a few years down the road when things play out like I said they would.

and once it's there, that gives you a few options on how to share - one of them is a link to it as a web page which I just copied and pasted into my response - it looks like text until I post the message.

Another way of doing it is to right click on a photo online and choose properties. In properties, there is an url address for the photo which you could also copy and paste. But that links to that person's website and 'steals' their bandwidth. Not sure how that works but I don't do it as I can save it for other uses later in my photo bucket account.

Neat trick :P - let me know if that makes sense.

It's in my natal 5th house, but really straddles my 4th and 5th house I think. The 4th house fits especially well, although the 5th also does. Take your pick. Abandonment and no feeling of home, and no love life.

That REALLY does describe what you've told us about being locked out ...

at that age, I bet it's there.

it might affect both, but I look ahead to the 5th house.
It will not curse you in the matters of love, I believe.
Abandonment probably comes from your Saturn position, I dunno. Doesn't sound like Chiron to me.
I have Chiron in CAP too. The standard issue with that is "not being recognized for what you do or have done"

The SECRET to dealing with that (as I'm finally being forced to learn) is that we have to recognize ourselves, then it's solved.
This is becoming an issue since PL is in Capricorn.
the best of luck...

does link the abandonment to Chiron. northernlights has told us about being locked out of her house when she was a teen.
Totally shut out! (incomprehensible to me)

In the fourth house, it may indicate an insecure early family life, so much so that feelings of abandonment or being the 'black sheep' persist. A lack of self- confidence may make you think doing anything with your life is a waste of time.

I'm so GREEN on Chiron. I'm so embarrassed that I ignored it for 30 years. I think its irregular orbit fooled me because I would glance at it now and then. We talk about it a lot. I've talked it over with Stella who I believe is ruled by it.

It is such a phenomenally weird planet compared to the others. It being the link between inner and outer planets too, I think, holds great merit. I'll probably have to study it for my next 30 years to figure it out. Hell, by then, I'll be 107

geez

Here comes my lack of knowledge of astrology -- it's more me not getting the "modern" versus "natal" placements, lol.

My ascendant is 20 degrees 58' Virgo. I thought that the modern interpretation was that your ascendant starts at that point, so the first 20 degrees of Virgo would then be the last 2/3s or so of my 12th house?

And so that would put chiron, which is at about 16 or 17 degrees Capricorn into my 4th house in modern view and 5th house in natal chart?

Aaaaack!!!! :rofl:

If your NATAL chiron is at 16 Capr, then what house does it fall in? It would be in your 4th house if your 4th house starts with something less than 16 capr and ends with something greater.

I don't know what you mean by "modern view" and "natal chart"

I think you mean "modern view" is the transit, i.e., where Chiron is now.

I think you have it right
Chiron in natal 4th
Transiting over natal 5th
yes, that would put the 3 planet stellium in your FIFTH

20 degrees 58' virgo, I'm guessing that means that my
* 5th house starts at 20 degrees 58' capricorn, and
* 4th house starts at 20 degrees 58'sag and ends at 20 degrees 57' or so capricorn.

Is that right? In that case, my natal chiron at 16-17 degrees capricorn would be in my 4th house.

(guess I had 'modern' mixed up with transit. that, sadly, is how I remembered your last attempt to 'splain it to me, lol!)

you have it right IN THE EQUAL HOUSE SYSTEM
There are many house systems, your's is true, so are others
Astrology is quantum, several things can and are true at the same time.

your house division is right on

Thanks for posting. :)

your chart from astro.com?

Still reading over the site. :)

opposition of Chiron to MERCURY CONJUNCT URANUS GIVES you phenomenal gifts towards astrology

wow

quick learner

Formerly "votesomemore"? I see Uranus and Mercury within a few of degrees (7?) of each other.
Is that a "conjunction"? I always thought conjunctions formed a geometric angle?

http://web.archive.org/web/20021203232236/http://home.iprimus.com.au/gjdemontfort/Chiron.htm





Chiron in Aries in 'Musings of a Rogue Comet' by Martin Lass http://books.google.com/books?id=UiYNPFOnLLwC&pg=PA297&vq=chiron+in+aries&dq=Chiron+5th+house&client=firefox-a&source=gbs_search_s&cad=0

Chiron in the 5th house from same book - http://books.google.com/books?id=UiYNPFOnLLwC&pg=PA329&dq=Chiron+5th+house&client=firefox-a#PPA297,M1

:thumbsup: Did you also read the explanations at the cafe astrology site?

Self-worth is still my big thing. I feel unworthy and guilty somehow when good things happen to me. While I am not that bad now for much of my life I really felt like excuse me for living. Example just this week I bought a really nice pair of pants at a thrift store and now part of me feels guilty because now someone poorer than me can't buy them :crazy:

I'm reading what it says for Aquarius and - WOW!

I can't seem to copy & paste, but the wound is about feeling alien and removed from the rest of humanity. The search is contact. The wound's expression is the feeling of utter aloneness and yet, paradoxically, seeking solitude. The escaping the wound is attending to universal and humanitarian causes, but not my own (if I interpret that paragraph correctly). The healing path is to put things into a larger context, seeing how it fits and is an integral part of the whole. The Gifts are objectivity, connection, and aloneness with communion.

This is quite amazingly accurate!

(edit to fix formatting & spelling errors)

Where did you find that blurb? I did a little internet research last night and didn't come across that blurb.

I also have it in my fourth house giving me a real feeling of being an outsider.

There's some serendipity in this subject coming up now. I've been wondering how to heal some of the issues I have.

I have felt like an outsider for most of my life. It wasn't until very recently that this has changed for me.

I wish you success in your efforts to heal your wounds, SC. I know how much it hurts to have these feelings.

:hug:

Interesting that so many of us here are Capricorn and Aquarius Chiron... maybe that's why we are drawn to this forum?

My Chiron's in Aquarius too.

probably does draw us together, or maybe a strong Uranus

forums like this draw people for many reasons, Uranus is strong in the chart of progressive people.

http://books.google.com/books?id=UiYNPFOnLLwC&pg=PA321&lpg=PA321&dq=chiron+aquarius+martin+lass&source=bl&ots=i8BZaD8NIh&sig=Qj8sM1vAz_XRwEPP1dTjTMcFLxw&hl=en&ei=qgcfSq7cDNKGmQf1yeTLBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4

Chiron in 4th House - link: http://books.google.com/books?id=UiYNPFOnLLwC&pg=PA328&vq=Chiron+4th+house&dq=chiron+aquarius+martin+lass&source=gbs_search_s&cad=0

Chiron in Aquarius - links to other books: http://books.google.com/books?ei=qgcfSq7cDNKGmQf1yeTLBg&ct=result&q=%22Chiron+in+Aquarius%22&as_brr=3

Chiron in 4th House - links to other books:
http://books.google.com/books?ei=qgcfSq7cDNKGmQf1yeTLBg&ct=result&as_brr=3&q=%22Chiron+in+4th+house%22&btnG=Search+Books

to read the passage in the book Shallah linked. Chiron in Aquarius begins on page 321:
http://books.google.com/books?id=UiYNPFOnLLwC&pg=PA297&vq=chiron+in+aries&dq=Chiron+5th+house&client=firefox-a&source=gbs_search_s&cad=0#PPA321,M1

I've been amazed at how on-the-mark both the North Node and Chiron descriptions are for me personally.

this Chiron discovery is giving a lot of insight. It's almost *magical* :D

cassiepriam considers it to be really important in a person's chart.

god, there's so much to learn about it

then, I hate to tell you, there's a lot to do with Eris and Sedna too
Both are moving slowly in Aries
Eris is REALLY the planet that "caused" the economic downfall last fall IMHO

Any ideas? I don't understand astrology enough to even guess what this means, but that's my Chiron.

was copy from the links I posted. See if it gives you any reflection...

http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/chironinthesigns.html
Chiron in Pisces

If you have this placement, make an extra effort to get rid of your unearned guilt. And please don't wander the world looking for people to "save," at least not until you have saved yourself first. Be careful of a tendency to play the "victim" yourself (or, more likely, to BE the victim). You do have the ability, however, to help everyone else be more imaginative and creative. In fact, doing that could be an excellent antidote for dealing with the negative side of this placement.

http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/chironinhouses.html
Chiron in the First House

+Chiron here can make you like a knight in shining armor, always ready to fight for the underdog. Usually, while you are doing this, you are neglecting yourself. You could also be a wise counselor (especially in health matters) but you seem to have trouble taking your own advice. A 1st house Chiron can be a gifted teacher, and, of course, you can teach others how to do something better than you can do it yourself. A neat trick to get around this: Give yourself advice as if you were someone else. Then maybe you will take it.

!Chiron is associated with the emotional wounds we receive early on in our lives. The sign Chiron is in will dominate but the house placing will show in which area the personality is motivated and into which they will put their efforts. In the first house, it may indicate a journey of self-discovery. Possibly, there were restrictions in early childhood that will have had the effect on you of either retreating into yourself or having to fight to be noticed. There will be a need to find personal meaning in existence. Some will do this by being overly aggressive, others by withdrawing. Having a job or interest that is really enjoyed will give a positive direction to your life.

:shrug:

The book Shalah posted is quite good too if you want to take time to do a search in it.
See if this is meaningful:

http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/chironinthesigns.html

Chiron in Aries

Aries is the sign of selfhood and with Chiron here the sense of self may be weakened. Melanie Reinhart in Chiron and the Healing Journey says that sometimes the person feels as if they don't exist and have to take their sense of identity from others. I mentioned this to a friend who had Chiron in Aries opposing her Ascendant, and she said that it was true for her. She frequently felt that way. At the time, she was on her third marriage (there was also one live-in relationship), as she couldn't bear to be alone. Having a partner (opposition to the Ascendant) was the way she dealt with that feeling of non-being.

http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/chironinhouses.html

Chiron in the Twelfth House

+As always, Chiron shows where we can do more for others than ourselves. A 12th house Chiron may compulsively try to take care of the poor the sick, and the unfortunate while neglecting their own needs and those of their own family. Conversely, there may be malingering and the person with this placement may themselves always seem in "need" because of one (frequently self-caused) "problem" after another. This placement tends to make a person feel tired and fatigued. If you have this one, be sure to get plenty of rest.

!Chiron is associated with the emotional wounds we receive early on in our lives. The sign Chiron is in will dominate but the house placing will show in which area the personality is motivated and into which they will put their efforts. In the twelfth house, it may indicate nervous tension, perhaps picked up from a close family member. You probably have psychic, empathic and healing abilities. Don't keep shutting yourself off from people - they need your unique abilities. Help others by learning to use these 'gifts' - it will give great, personal benefit but you will need to be emotionally strong and mature.

I checked my chart and it is 21 degrees Pisces in my 12th house. Edited to add my chart