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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 03:23 PM
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Who has the list of what Kerry has done and said re election fraud?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 03:35 PM
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1. It's posted
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 04:00 PM
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5. Can you collect and post all these answers in its own thread?
I am getting overheated out there. There needs to be an information thread posted that we can link to for the next week while all the lies about Kerry are heating up.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 04:17 PM
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6. Done!
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 04:32 PM
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9. THANK YOU n/t
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 03:38 PM
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2. 4 bills co-sponsored (that I know of)
S.195 : A bill to provide for full voting representation in Congress for the citizens of the District of Columbia, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. (introduced 1/26/2005) Cosponsors (13) Committees: Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Latest Major Action: 3/9/2005 Referred to Senate subcommittee. Status: Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs referred to Subcommittee on Oversight of Government Management, the Federal Workforce, and the District of Columbia.

S.391 : A bill to amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to prohibit certain State election administration officials from actively participating in electoral campaigns. Sponsor: Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. (introduced 2/16/2005) Cosponsors (5) Committees: Senate Rules and Administration Latest Major Action: 2/16/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration.

S.450 : (The Count Every Vote Act) A bill to amend the Help America Vote Act of 2002 to require a voter-verified paper record, to improve provisional balloting, to impose additional requirements under such Act, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (introduced 2/17/2005) Cosponsors (6) Committees: Senate Rules and Administration Latest Major Action: 2/17/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration.

S.1975 : A bill to prohibit deceptive practices in Federal elections. Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 11/8/2005) Cosponsors (4) Committees: Senate Rules and Administration Latest Major Action: 11/8/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 03:54 PM
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3. 12/21/05 on Ed Schultz
Edited on Sat Jun-03-06 03:54 PM by MH1
Here is the audio:
http://audio.wegoted.com/podcasting/122105SenatorKerry.mp3

I don't know if there's a transcript anywhere. (anyone want to do it? JK has excellent comments on election fraud in this one)
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 03:59 PM
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4. 5/17/06 on Stephanie Miller (I think)
I didn't listen to this one again but I believe he discusses election fraud again here:

http://www.stephaniemiller.com/bits/2006_0517_kerry.mp3

(we need transcripts, durn it...)
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 04:18 PM
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7. We're going to need all this info front and center for the next couple
weeks folks.

It will save on alot of wear and tear on our nerves.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 04:32 PM
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8. DU would rather throw acid at Kerry than Bushco
It is bizarre to me -- after all, it was Bushco that stole the election. Yet somehow Kerry gets the blame for it all.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 04:57 PM
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10. It's said Gore knows about the depth of election fraud and it's accepted
Edited on Sat Jun-03-06 04:57 PM by blm
that he has to stay silent. Cue the ominous music.

I say if Gore knows alot about how the GOPs run election fraud and he chooses to not share what he knows with the Dem party then that is wrong.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 05:03 PM
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12. Weird contrasting of Kerry and Gore's characters too --
Edited on Sat Jun-03-06 05:26 PM by emulatorloo
Gore was 'courageous' Kerry concerned with his 'personal comfort'. But IMHO, Gore left public service for a good while, while Kerry went back to work doing his DAMNEDEST from tje Senate to keep his campaign promises w small business, healthcare for children, etc etc.

They are both "courageous" I get sick of seeing Dems used as bludgeons against other Dems in these false melodramas.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 04:57 PM
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11. Does anyone know when was that event in Boston where he said "fraud"
I beleive it was a voting rights commemoration thing with John Lewis, where Tay got those incredible pictures. It may not have been at that event but it was about that time.

He has used the "f" word other times to describe it but I don't even remember those occasions.

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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 05:25 PM
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14. Rosa Parks "Retracing the Struggle" March in Oct '05?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 07:12 PM
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19. There was also an earlier Boston appearance
on MLK day which I think was the first time Kerry spoke of voter suppresion.

Link:
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/kerry/articles/2005/01/18/kerry_alleges_voters_were_suppressed?pg=full

Here's William Pitt's interview with Cam Kerry from January, 2005 with lots of good quotes.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/011105W.shtml
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 08:24 PM
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21. Oct 30, 2005, Roxbury, MA
It was a homage to the Selma March. (Boston to Selma March, 1964.)

The Senator emphasized the willful actions of the Republicans in some states that resulted in voters not being able to cast their votes. He talked about the registration problems, he shenigans that Blackwell did and so forth. He did not touch on machine fraud.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 05:12 PM
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13. You know what?
I'm not a Kerry hater despite what people in this forum might think after that thread. I only want the stolen election to be exposed and somehow that thread became a pro/con Kerry thread. That wasn't my intention. I was responding to the second interview where RFK, Jr got slammed again with the comment about Kerry.

In the OP I stated that: "I understand that there is a difference between proving fraud in a window of time and believing there was fraud enough to throw the election, but that's now how this will be played on television with talking points.

I just wanted you in this forum to know that.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 05:46 PM
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15. I've always thought you show honest concern - you would never have to
convince me.

We all word something awkwardly now and then, and when we do we should bear in mind a person's entire persona. I see you as someone who stays on the election fraud issue as a diligent warrior.

And I salute you.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 05:49 PM
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17. Thanks, blm! I'm sorry I stirred the shit.
:( This is not what I wanted.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 05:55 PM
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18. There's a big difference between fair concern and dishonest spin - you
Edited on Sat Jun-03-06 05:59 PM by blm
must realize by now that Kerry really gets hit with more spin against him than the average Dem. If at any time any of us get sensitive about it, cut us slack in return - we really all are on the same side - and appreciate that one of the hardest issues for any of us to take on is CORRUPTION. It's a dangerous road for any lawmaker. We appreciate greatly any one who takes it on consistently - and you do....everyday.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 05:49 PM
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16. That's what I thought, but
unfortunately your post was like a honeypot for .... you know.

Personally, I think the issue is that RFK calls the election "stolen" and Kerry does not. I side with Kerry (see link below) BUT I have no problem with others ginning up outrage by the rhetoric "stolen." I think it is right that Kerry and elected Dems do NOT use that term because it has not been proven.

RFK needs to stick up for Kerry and others not using the word "stolen." Kerry and the others agree that there was fraud - massive fraud - and have said as much, many times. But massive fraud does not equal "stolen" when dealing with the numbers and the lack of litigable evidence.

What RFK needs to say is something like "I call it stolen. Others call it fraud. Just because they don't call it stolen, doesn't mean that it wasn't. And btw, Tucker (or host du jour) are you saying it's okay that all that fraud happened?"

Here's that link, that explains where RFK's evidence is weak:

http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/blogs/tokaji/2006/06/back-to-ohio-rolling-stone-piece.html

The author is very credible (and credentialed). I think he gets it exactly right.

Anyway thanks for stopping in. (Where I was talking about bashers and bashing, it wasn't you I was referring to, it was certain others drawn by the honey. Just so you know.)
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 07:20 PM
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20. Not John, but Teresa
"COUNTING THE VOTES: Heinz Kerry is openly skeptical about results from November's election, particularly in sections of the country where optical scanners were used to record votes.

"Two brothers own 80 percent of the machines used in the United States," Heinz Kerry said. She identified both as "hard-right" Republicans. She argued that it is "very easy to hack into the mother machines."

"We in the United States are not a banana republic," added Heinz Kerry. She argued that Democrats should insist on "accountability and transparency" in how votes are tabulated.

"I fear for '06," she said. "I don't trust it the way it is right now."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/connelly/214744_joel07.html


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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:29 PM
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22. Oh I remember this article
Gosh that seems so long ago
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