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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 10:39 PM
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Somalia proxy-wars
What do you make of this story about Mogadishu and the Islamist take-over. I'm having a hard time following it because a few years ago they said Aidid was working with bin laden. And what's this "fears of committing large numbers of American personnel"?? The terrorists are IN Somalia and they don't want to commit troops there, but the terrorists are not (or were not) in Iraq and it's fine and dandy to commit troops there. I don't know what the hell these people are doing, I really don't. Did you also read where Rumsfeld is removing some of the DEA air patrol that intercepts drugs going into Florida? Didn't they tell us drugs funded terrorists?? I do not understand how they keep any support at all.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/08/world/africa/08intel.html?hp&ex=1149739200&en=f7b9e3bf650ce8f8&ei=5094&partner=homepage
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 07:05 AM
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1. I'll be honest with you.
I've almost given up following this stuff. It makes my head hurt. And in addition, I am so skeptical about everything I hear that it makes my head hurt even more. My first thought this morning when I heard they'd killed Al-Zarqawi was, isn't he the guy we're not even sure exists? And anyway, didn't our invading Iraq create the circumstances that allowed him to flourish?

When I heard the Somalia news I didn't know what to think. Still don't. Check out this article from today's Salon: George Bush Sr. asked retired general to replace Rumsfeld. When I read what Blumenthal writes about the Shrub I feel that he really understands what's going on.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 08:11 AM
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2. Liberal Oasis had a post on this
yesterday: http://www.liberaloasis.com/liberaloasisv2/theblog/2006/06/freedom_fried_in_somalia.php

Freedom Fried In Somalia

Two years ago in a Balt. Sun oped, John Prendergast of the International Crisis Group, urged the Bush Adminstration to get involved diplomatically in Somalia, so it won't be a failed state and "comfortable home for terrorist groups".

The Bushies didn't listen.

They could have chosen to shore up the relatively new transititional government, fostered economic development, engaged in diplomacy to solve regional differences -- all with an eye towards acheiving a stable, representative democracy.

Instead, they passed on the democracy, and secretly funded and armed Somali warlords -- possibly some of the same warlords who killed US soldiers in the Black Hawk Down episode -- in their battles with Islamist militia.

And what happened? Prendergast laments in a W. Post oped today:

"our" warlords -- and by extension our counterterrorism strategy -- have been dealt a crushing defeat by the Islamists, as the latter have consolidated control of Mogadishu.


Fueling a civil war completely backfired, as the popularity of the Islamists increased over the last few months.

And now we risk, as Douglas Farah wrote, having this be "the beginning of another serious Islamist threat to a much broader world."

The only possible silver lining here is if, as some hope, the Somali Islamists work with the transitional government, respect the moderate Islam of much of the population, and mean what they say about rejecting Al Qaeda.

But we'll just be lucky if that's the final outcome. It will be in spite of Dubya's anti-democratic foreign policy, not because of it.

A foreign policy that actually promoted democracy would not foolishly fuel civil war, but would bring factions together to set the conditions for a representative government.

Instead, by playing the old short-sighted game of propping up "friendly" tyrants, as Prendergast told the W. Post last month:

    in the long term the conditions which allow terrorist cells to take hold along the Indian Ocean coastline go unaddressed.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:15 AM
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3. That would make a great GD post. You really got a grip on this one.
NOTHING they do is just coincidental - it all links.
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