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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 07:13 AM
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Anger here!
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nolies32fouettes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 07:29 AM
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1. yeh! frustrating.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 08:20 AM
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2. This pissed me off too. Nothing we can do but write them and
call them out on their distortion of Kerry's plan. Obviously, they are acting on Rove's behalf.
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nolies32fouettes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 08:26 AM
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3. anger here too! argggghhhh
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 08:34 AM by nolies32fouettes
http://www.progressiveu.org/190000-anne-coulter-conservative-goddess-or-radical-harpy-thoughts-from-sen-kerry-etc#comment-48465



:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: (That poster is always there and posting vile stuff on so many of the threads. evil! truly evil!!!)
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 08:41 AM
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4. Then there's the Boston Globe
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 08:51 AM
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5. BoHerd can't stop (Oops, meant to link to OP)
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 08:52 AM by ProSense
the growing sentiment against the war:

U.S. Senate rebuffs Bush on war budgeting (no more "emergency funding")
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2338570&mesg_id=2338570


House, Senate incumbents weigh Iraq stance
By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer
24 minutes ago

Snip...

Across the Capitol, similar partisan discourse on the Iraq war is certain when Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic Party presidential candidate in 2004 and a potential 2008 standard-bearer, introduces an amendment to an annual military measure that calls for the administration to redeploy combat forces from that war zone by year's end.

It's a position that most Senate members — including many of Kerry's fellow Democrats — don't share.

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House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi and her lieutenants want to offer an alternative to the GOP resolution that reflects the Democrats' position. In the Senate, several Democrats were trying to unite around a "consensus amendment" on withdrawing troops to avoid votes on narrow amendments, like Kerry's, that could further highlight Democratic differences.

It was unclear whether the group could come up with a proposal that would be strong enough to satisfy Kerry and Sen. Russ Feingold (news, bio, voting record) of Wisconsin, who have proposed separate amendments that call for most troops to leave Iraq by the end of 2006.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060615/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq_2

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 08:55 AM
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6. Can you get me the phone number
and the editorial managing editor's name?
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:32 AM
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10. Here's some info
Loth, Renee
Editor
Editorial Pages / News (617) 929-3035
loth@globe.com

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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:13 AM
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7. Reply at The Democratic Daily
Joan Vennochi’s Ignorance of Kerry’s Positon on Iraq

http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=3315

Some people are just determined to display their ignorance in public. Joan Vennochi does a particularly shocking case of this in her editorial in today’s Boston Globe. You would think from her editorial that she just started covering Kerry this week, but obviously we know this is untrue as she has had plenty of other absurd comments on him in the past.

Writing on Kerry’s anti-war speech this week, Vennochi writes “The Massachusetts senator is finally taking the antiwar position that people who know him well expected him to embrace long ago.” From her comments on Kerry’s admission that his vote for the IWR was a mistake–an admission he has been making for several months. Vennochi even acknowledges that Kerry had stated he changed his mind on the vote in his 2005 Georgetown speech, failing to realize how this contradicts her earlier statements in the same column.

Vennochi is also clearly unaware of Kerry’s pre-war position. She has no idea that Kerry’s explanation for his IWR vote in his Senate floor statement made it clear that his vote was not one in support of war except as a last resort. She is unaware of Kerry’s advice against going to war such as in his op-ed in the New York Times, his article in Foreign Affairs, or his pre-war Georgetown speech. Then there’s Kerry’s call for regime change in the United States in protest at the onset of the war.

Of course Vennochi isn’t the only person who has made this mistake. Even if we forgive her for this, she seems oblivious to Kerry’s many statements opposed to the war during the campaign. She writes “Had he taken such a clear stand in 2004, he might be in the White House.” Kerry’s statement of “wrong war, wrong place, wrong time” sound pretty clear. She also appears unaware of Kerry’s many statements on the war following the campaign and prior to this week.

Vennochi expresses skepticism over what she sees as Kerry’s change in position. Her problem is that she fails to understand what Kerry’s position has been.Those of us who have actually paid attention to what Kerry has had to say about the war, and his vote, understand that Kerry has been consistent in his views, understand why Kerry voted for the IWR, and understand why Kerry realized his vote was a mistake when more information on George Bush’s motives became clear. Kerry never changed his position on the war as he always opposed going to war with the conditions that actually existed. The only change is that Kerry changed his mind on whether to give Bush authorization to go to war as a last resort, and whether to believe Bush’s promises that he would first seek a diplomatic settlement. The Downing Street Memos proved that Bush was lying, and Kerry realized he should have never have trusted George Bush to keep his word. Kerry’s speech this week just reflects the same position he has been expressing for quite some time.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:47 AM
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12. I sent her a personal reply refering to her inaccuracies and distortions.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:15 AM
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8. I wrote to the despicable Joan V. - she's a LIAR - she hasn't noticed that
Kerry has been pushing Iraq withdrawal planning since OCTOBER? I don't believe it - I think she's shilling as a faux lefty.

Boston Globe has always had operatives working as journalists - I wouldn't doubt that she is one of them.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:28 AM
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9. She's most definitely a faux liberal.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:35 AM
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11. That's a really really fantastic post
The Herald editorial is so predictable. So, America stands for occupying a foreign country indefinately. It's funny that they say Kerry joined the Howard Deam/bring home the troops wing - because Howard Dean, last I heard, was backing the Korb plan which was less for withdrawal than anything Kerry or Feingold positions.

It really doesn't explain Kerry's full position, but I guess Kerry has succeeded in getting people at least thinking of withdrawal.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:51 AM
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13. It seems the Iraqi VP is calling for a timeline
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:55 AM
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14. Heard that on Rachel Maddow's
show this morning. Can't wait to hear the administration response. Anything???? <crickets chirping...>

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:17 AM
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16. What I want to know is:
Since al Qaeda's main purpose in Iraq is violence against Americans, and the Iraqis are likely to fight foreign intervention in their country's affairs, why not withdraw? Wouldn't removing a target of violence help the Iraqis isolate the foreign fighters and help the Americans refocus on fighting global terrorism?
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:17 AM
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15. I love seeing things that reinforce Kerry's positon. Makes my day! n/t
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