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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:00 PM
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OBL does not want the U.S. to leave Iraq -- fears for the safety of Sunnis
I just read this in The New Yorker, and nearly fell over. Why don't the Democrats run with this? This refutes the bullshit the Bush administration insists on spewing every day:

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/060619ta_talk_wright

Among those quietly celebrating the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi last week, no doubt, were Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri, the leaders of Al Qaeda, who have watched their nominal ally wreck the standing of their organization among Muslims around the world. After Zarqawi began his bloody operations in Iraq, in 2003, support for suicide bombings—the signature of Al Qaeda since the destruction of the American embassies in East Africa, in 1998—plummeted in Islamic countries. Muslims surveyed in the 2005 Pew Global Attitudes Project reported in substantial numbers that Islamic extremism was a threat to their own countries. Jordan, Zarqawi’s homeland, seemed to be the exception. Then Zarqawi sent suicide bombers to three hotels in downtown Amman, killing sixty people, including prominent Jordanians and Palestinians, many of whom were celebrating a wedding. The next day, tens of thousands of Jordanians poured into the streets to denounce Al Qaeda.

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Unlike Zarqawi, bin Laden and Zawahiri continued to focus their enmity on the West and on the autocratic rulers of their own countries. “They felt the need to fight on the fringes, in Chechnya, Bosnia, Pakistan, Sudan,” Nematt said shortly before Zarqawi was killed. “Once they won on the margins, they would march to the center. Zarqawi turned the tables on them. In bin Laden’s view, Zarqawi is leading the Sunnis in Iraq to hell, and he doesn’t know what to do. Bin Laden and Zawahiri feel that, if Zarqawi forces the Americans to abandon Iraq, the Shia will go into the Sunni triangle and start ethnic cleansing.”

Zarqawi’s obsession with the Shia led Zawahiri to write a letter to him last July. “Why were there attacks on ordinary Shia?” Zawahiri demanded. “Can the mujahideen kill all the Shia in Iraq? Has any Islamic state in history ever tried that?” He also said that the grotesque scenes of execution should stop. “We can kill the captives by bullet,” he counselled. But in the same note he meekly asked for a hundred thousand dollars for Al Qaeda. Money—especially from Saudi Arabia—that used to go to bin Laden was now going into Zarqawi’s treasury.

In recent months, the founders had begun to distance themselves from Zarqawi. Bin Laden’s latest communiqué, in April, urged Muslims to wage jihad in Darfur, Sudan, rather than in Iraq, saying that Western involvement in the Sudanese peace process was part of the “crusades against Islam.” Soon afterward, Zawahiri congratulated Zarqawi for overseeing more than eight hundred suicide operations, claiming, “This is what has broken the back of America in Iraq.” Last week, he offered similar encouragement; still, he directed his attention to Muslims elsewhere. A few days before Zarqawi was killed, Nematt told me, “He is on the edge of declaring total rebellion against bin Laden and Zawahiri. Zarqawi’s recruits are growing exponentially. This kid is eclipsing them.”


Read that sentence in bold ten times, and try to wrap your mind around it. OBL is basically urging the U.S. to "stay the course" to protect the Sunni from the Shia who will want revenge. What?????!!!???? Talk about bizarro world. If the sourcing for this article is impeccable, shouldn't Kerry use this? It's right there in black and white that OBL does NOT want the U.S. to leave. That IF the U.S. leaves Iraq, there will be nothing uniting the Iraqis OR al Qaeda. Leaving Iraq will mean the GWOT will leave with us. Plus, we'll still be there, just not in Iraq, to pick off the 999 foreigners still left in the country (That's 1,000 minus Zarqawi).

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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 01:52 PM
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1. In a related story, here is an article about U.S. permanent bases
in Iraq:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/06/12/wirq12.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/06/12/ixnews.html

US 'planning to keep 50,000 troops in Iraq for many years'
By Francis Harris in Washington


Military planners have begun to assess the costs of keeping a 50,000-man force in Iraq for a protracted period of time. At present the total number of serving American troops is about 500,000.

The plan has not yet received presidential approval. But it would fit with the administration's belief that while troops numbers will fall, American forces will have to remain in Iraq beyond Mr Bush's departure from the White House in early 2009.

Military analysts have noted that significant American spending is already being committed to permanent bases in Iraq. They say Iraq's military may soon be able to fight by itself, but it cannot feed or supply itself and it has no air force to speak of.


I'm sorry, this is about oil. From EVERYTHING I have read, the Zarqawi killing could have been done from an "over the horizon" stance; there is NO NEED for permanent bases, unless you want to make sure you control the oil. This is simply becoming undeniable.

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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 02:08 PM
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2. You have to wonder
how the repugs feel this message will play at home?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/14/AR2006061402432.html

Iraq Amnesty Plan May Cover Attacks On U.S. Military
Leader Also Backs Talks With Resistance

BAGHDAD, June 14 -- Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki on Wednesday proposed a limited amnesty to help end the Sunni Arab insurgency as part of a national reconciliation plan that Maliki said would be released within days. The plan is likely to include pardons for those who had attacked only U.S. troops, a top adviser said.


I don't blame the Iraqis for this position at all. But how does Bush imagine this will sit with us????
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 02:17 PM
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3. I agree with you
This is where a Senator Webb would REALLY come in handy, what with his SON being sent to Iraq in Sept. How could they say anything so bullshitty with another colleague's son having to live the reality being in the Chamber.

You know, these sorts of amnesties are common after war; the difference is that we were lied to about this war in a million different ways, so that this HURTS so bad. That someone whose actions led to an American troop being killed will walk away scott free, and his/her family will have to live with that. Actually, I know an example right off of the top of my head -- Cindy Sheehan. Her son Casey was killed by Muqtada al Sadr's militia, who now has a say in the new Iraqi government. I can't imagine how that must make her feel . . .
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 02:26 PM
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4. It's insane.
And completely infuriating. How does anyone support these creeps????
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 02:52 PM
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5. I'm so sick of these liars!
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