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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:02 PM
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Senate debate
Warner whoring for Bush right now. Also attacking Kerry by referring to the "overwhelming rejection" of a deadline for withdrawal last week. Earlier, Levin & Reed. Levin was quite good, EXCEPT that he kept stressing that the amendment is about the BEGINNING of a withdrawal.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:14 PM
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1.  I liked the part where he
in so many words.........told Warner to go f..k himself after the request for a "soliloquy" !!:bounce: He must have heard me scream at the TV..."tell him NO"!! These Senators are just TOO polite for me!!
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:19 PM
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3. HAHA!
It's disturbing to may honest and plain hearing ears when I keep hearing things to the effect of "my distiguished friend from .... is and idiot and an ass...le"
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:18 PM
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2. They're debating the Levin-Reed amendment first, right?
Then voting on the Kerry/Feingold amendment, knowing it will go down, and THEN go on to debate THAT one. Did I get this right?
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:23 PM
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5. Not sure what you mean
Debating Levin right now for 5 hours, and Kerry later in the day (when unfortunately I will not be able to follow). I do not know about the voting order.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:25 PM
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7. that's what I read last night somewhere
I remembered it because it struck me as odd; voting on the Kerry/Feingold amendment BEFORE debating it seemed strange.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:27 PM
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9. Yeah, they will probably vote on it tomorrow.
The Levin/Reed amendment will be debated until around 5:30 or so tonight, then the Kerry/Feingold/Boxer amendment will be debated.

In reality, the Rethugs will debate both amendments all day. They will bash Kerry all day. It's just one of those days. Rethugs never miss a chance to bash Kerry, he's their favorite.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:21 PM
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4. MCCain: This should be awful
Shocker: He opposes both amendments of the Dems. Oh wow! :sarcasm:

Withdrawing would be a disaster. (Gee, what do you call Iraq right now?) Iraqis can't control their own country. Withdrawal would escalate the violence that we are currently 'restraining.' (Ahm, quick, someone buy McCain a clue.)

The Iraqi Government would have to assume responsibility for Iraq. Oh my. And what if ordinary IRaqi Kurds hear about the Congressional Resolution (maybe on their iPods or cell phones or down at the all-night internet cafe.) They would be outraged and become Republicans and jeer the silly Democrats.

Our friends (what friends?) would be upset with us. Oh dear. We have to stay because we are at war and we can't leave because we screwed up and we can't leave because we screwed up.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:25 PM
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6. More McCain
They are planning attacks against Americans. (Please buy McCain a clue now.) Al Qaeda is in Iraq right now! (They weren't before we invaded, btw.) We can't leave cuz then things will get nasty and the Oasis in the Desert that is Iraq right now might end.

Zarwari should dictate US foreign policy cuz he said scary things about us. Oh, and Vietnam was responsible for making us look like wussies and we can't be wussies cuz that's just not the self-image we want to project.

Ending the occupation will empower the insurgents. (Cuz 130,000 troops against a population of 26,000,000, that's a real fair fight.)
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:27 PM
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8. "See this mission thru to completion"
So what McCain is saying is that we will be there forever and ever.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:28 PM
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11. Yup.
Gee, I wonder if he has any kids that can sign up to go. I hope someone sends his wife some enlistment forms. They can help to 'see this to it's conclusion.'

What a dick!
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:28 PM
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12. And yet more
"an artificial deadline rooted in politics". Isn't he a sweetheart?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:30 PM
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14. What a prince.
He brings in Vietnam, just for the sake of bringing in the idea that we should have 'stayed the course in Vietnam' and we might have won. Sigh! Backhanded way of saying that Kerry protested that war.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:28 PM
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10. Wait a minute!
Did McCain just lie? He said that the Iraqi gvmnt doesn't want an arbitrary timeline. Didn't they ask for JUST THAT? Or was I dreaming?
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:30 PM
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15. No, he is the one doing the dreaming nt
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:30 PM
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13. I pray that the Dems - all that are going to speak on this
Use the word

OCCUPATION
instead of
WAR.

We need to frame the debate.

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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:36 PM
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22. Hillary up now,
Speaking "truth to power"!! Yeah for Hil! Wish she was on JK's side.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:31 PM
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16. Please say something Ms. Clinton.
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 12:33 PM by TayTay
Just put some positions about Iraq up on a big dart board, grab a dart and throw it at the board. Wherever it lands, that's your position. Learn it, talk about it and believe in it. That would be better than this 'we can't do this but we can't do that either' stuff you have been doing.

There are no easy answers. I agree. That is why we elect people of conscience to elective office. To make difficult decisions. That is the job description. Sigh!
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:33 PM
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18. Nah.
Same old SAME OLD.

I don't like this, but I don't like that, either.

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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:34 PM
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20. Listen to her - she is READING!
Where's the passion???

Me thinks she needs to take some public speaking lessons from her hubby
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:08 PM
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49. Does it say something that a person who wants to audition
for the to top executive job says things like this.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:32 PM
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17. Time for Hillary to try and gain some political points
Good! This will defintely highlight the differences between her and Kerry.
Alot we will be able to refer back to later.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:34 PM
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21. She is not a great speaker
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 12:37 PM by TayTay
She is not bad, but she is not great either. She speaks very slowly and without a great deal of passion. (She was passionate at the TBA on the plight of the First-responders to the World Trade Center explosion and their health problems. But usually, she is not that passionate.)

Listen to how she talks about patriotism and the right to dissent. It's choppy. (Or I am really and truly spoiled. Maybe both.)

If she had really felt anything about this war besides annoyance at being asked to vote on ending it, then it's not in her voice.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:39 PM
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23. I can't deal with this.
I hate the sound of her voice. I feel like I'm being bullshitted and talked down to. She makes me want to scream.

I don't feel like she means a word she says; it's all about how compassionate and reasonable she appears.

That's harsh, but it's what I get from her. Insincerity.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:45 PM
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26. I agree - I can't listen to her
She is on in the background, I find it hard to listen to her.
I want to, but my brain shuts her out.
I have the same problem when I listen to Bsh.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:49 PM
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31. I don't have access to watch right now, but I agree!
I used to not mind listening to Hillary, but her speeched pattern has become more contrived.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:40 PM
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24. On second thought..............you're right Tay!
just got an email from Barbara Boxer I need to sign, and I'll be back!
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:47 PM
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29. I don't dislike Mrs. Clinton
I just don't find her an inspirational speaker. I have heard much worse, but I have heard better as well.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:12 PM
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57. Interesting observations
She has likely met with the first responders who were mostly from her state. She is a good person and she sees the problems they had. I think she doesn;t have similar empathy for protesters or the soldiers. She actually may know very few people hurt by Vietnam.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:33 PM
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19. 'responsible way forward'
as opposed to irresponsible Kerry and Feingold, Hillary? Underhanded criticism there.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:47 PM
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30. How is it responsible to take a wishy washy position that makes
recommendations and suggestions, but then leave it up to the one person who has screwed all this up to decide if he will take the advice.
Oh, I know saying words like responisible are suppose to make her look like a leader.
It is more responsible to have no real honest opinion or direction on Iraq.
It is more responsible to ignore the troops and fence sit on an important issue of our times for political reasons.

It is more responsible to ignore the American public and their desire to end this conflict by offering up and weak amendment that maintains the status quo over in Iraq and doesn't rock the boat or set you up for republican bashing.
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:44 PM
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25. There simply isn't anything bad enough to wish upon the Repug
bastards. Watching this is about as bad as having a "second sense" and being able to see murders taking place but being helpless to do anything about them.

The worst circle of Hell is too good for these miserable scumbags. I truly hope there is a God and I truly hope he is watching. These bastards deserve to burn for eternity.

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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:46 PM
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27. Cornyn up. This will be like doing penance.
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 12:49 PM by TayTay
Already he is going to use the death of someone from his state to justify keeping more American troops there and exposing them to possible injury and death. These people have no honor.

Amendments on the floor. Cornyn is going to debate the Kerry Amendment anyway, as are all the REthugs. The Dems may as well have put the KErry et al amendment forward, since the REthugs are running against it anyway. They will not make distinctions. The only thing the fearful amendment argument does is make Rethugs laugh. (They are going to attack no matter what. Stand up to them.)
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:53 PM
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35. Any idear what time Kerry will be up?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:58 PM
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39. Best guess: sometime around 5:15 or so tonight.
This debate has five hours. That means until 5:15 or so. However, the odds that the Senate will wrap this up on time are long. (The Senate runs on Senate time, which is not like our human time. LOL!)

Just make sure you are there by 5:15. The worst that can happen is that you will be stuck seeing Jeff Sessions on the floor calling for all Democrats sign loyalty oaths or be bared from the snack bar at the really good Senate cafeteria. Yeeks. (Seeing Sessions would be bad. He will put you to sleep with his sing-songy voice. He is worse than Cornyn who is really just boring and derivative.)

The really bad Rethugs are Graham, Hatch and Specter. They are not braindead and can raise good arguments.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:04 PM
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46. I selfishly (an probably in vain) hope it will be postponed
for tomorrow when I will be able to follow. I count on all of you to keep the comments going, PLEASE.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:54 PM
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36. He sounds like a funeral orator
I'm ready to cry. jeez.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:57 PM
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38. Someone tell him that there are terrorists all over the world
and we don't have enough soldiers to go around.

It's more than Iraq, idiot!
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:01 PM
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44. Cornyn is a VIPER
a dangerous and extremely nasty one
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:46 PM
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28. Do you think Cornyn uses wax on his forehead?
more blah blah blah
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:51 PM
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32. I think it seeped in
He always looks slightly constipated to me.

Cornyn: defeat, appeasement, depression, surrender, etc. That's what Dems want.
Rethugs will lead us to victory. (Gee, any idea when they might start doing that John? Could you hurry it up, cuz it looks like we are stuck in someone else's civil war right now.)
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:51 PM
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33. This war is a test - if we lose the courage of our convictions, we
lose the war on terrorism.

Unreal.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:53 PM
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34. What a total jerk.
He just called Senators who now disavow their vote on the IWR cowards, but in that Senatorial, 'after you, no after you' way.

Bite me, dickhead.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:55 PM
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37. Did you hear him say that the only people that want our soldiers to
come home other than Iraqis, are their families?

Is he for real?
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:00 PM
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Yeah, and he just dissed Kerry
(unnamed) big time.

I'm gonna lose my lunch if I keep listening, ladies. Just warning you.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:00 PM
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42. Delusional
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 01:00 PM by TayTay
Picking on Kerry. What rays from outer space led him to draw his deadline out six months? How did he arrive at this?

Ahm, Cornyn, you idiot, Kerry sat down and thought about it. You should try thinking some day. It will probably hurt the first couple of times, but it's worth the effort.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:08 PM
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50. I hope big JK is sitting right there .....
listening to all this bullshit and really getting pissed off, and I pray he stays that way until he speaks tonight!! He may have to be a "sacrificial Lamb" for the whole damn party over this, just to prove this asshole wrong, that it's not just for political position, but a matter of moral values! Something the pigs know nothing about!! He needs all of our prayers tonight, they do make a difference. Ask someone who knows!!! DC
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:13 PM
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59. I am begining to think God has decided to stay out of this.
I'll pray and I hope it makes a difference.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:15 PM
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60. Sacrificial lamb
indeed. That's what I've been feeling the whole morning. Not fair, but maybe the right thing to do. I am not much of a believer, but all my good thoughts go his way today.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:09 PM
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51. "Prisoners of uncertainty"
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 01:10 PM by ProSense
Iraq: Next Steps for U.S. Policy
Keynote Address
by Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski
3/16/06
(Rush Transcript)

Snip...

But in a situation of this sort it, is important not to let ourselves become the prisoners of uncertainty. Prisoners of uncertainty in the sense that, because there is uncertainty, we become its prisoners by saying we cannot change course because the course we’re on is familiar, and what might follow – a change of course – is unfamiliar, and therefore even more perplexing than the reality we confront.

Snip...

I think it is clear to you by know, I hope, that I favor a decision by the United States to leave Iraq. And the way I would go about it would be that I would ask the Iraqi leaders to ask us to leave.

Snip...

We are teaching them democracy while at the same time arresting them, bombing them, humiliating them – and also helping them. It’s an ambivalent course in democracy – and one not likely to foster it.

I think we should set a date for the termination of the occupation. I’ve recently written publicly in an op-ed piece that I think roughly at the end of this year should be the target date. I am not dogmatic about that particular date. It could be somewhat later, perhaps even somewhat sooner. I do not know. But I would think that within a year we should be able to complete an orderly disengagement and the process would be extremely useful in concentrating Iraqi minds on what will follow and encourage them to assume responsibility.

I do not believe for a minute the argument that setting a date somehow or other would help the insurgency, that somehow or other the insurgents would go into their hiding caves or wherever and wait until the moment we leave and then suddenly they will surface and pounce. It’s not the kind of an insurgency. It’s an insurgency that is much more dispersed, spontaneous, in the crevices of Iraqi society expressing itself, also sometimes on the basis of monetary opportunity.

The assumption of responsibility by Iraqi leaders who know that they are now going to be responsible for the future of the country is more likely to produce leaders that are prepared to lead and have the capacity to lead.

more...

http://thinkprogress.org/brzezinski-speech



Or they're just assholes!

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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #34
41. There again, why do the Dem's allow these "dickheads" to get
away with this crap.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:58 PM
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40. Yeah, the troops will be so upset if they're 'required'
to redeploy because of an arbitrary deadline. They'll be so upset that they're not sitting ducks anymore. Yeah, Cornyn - go peddle that bullshit to someone who will fall for it :eyes:
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:00 PM
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43. Sadly, the repugs are basking in his bs
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. basking like pigs in shit
And that's what this is; shit. And they're pigs. Useless idiots.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:05 PM
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47. Reminds me of that Beatles song-

Have you seen the little piggies
Crawling in the dirt
And for all the little piggies
Life is getting worse
Always having dirt to play around in.

Have you seen the bigger piggies
In their starched white shirts
You will find the bigger piggies
Stirring up the dirt
Always have clean shirts to play around in.

In their styes with all their backing
They don't care what goes on around
In their eyes there's something lacking
What they need's a damn good whacking.

Everywhere there's lots of piggies
Living piggy lives
You can see them out for dinner
With their piggy wives
Clutching forks and knives to eat their bacon.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #47
68. Pirhana, This is a totally great way to see Cornyn and the others
He is definately a "bigger piggie in their starched white shirts". It seems there's a Beatles song for everything - and this makes watching those piggies easier.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:37 PM
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83. This is the part that I'm singing in my head when the repugs are on
"In their styes with all their backing
They don't care what goes on around
In their eyes there's something lacking
What they need's a damn good whacking."
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:07 PM
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48. DiFi: The war, I'm against it. We might consider opposing it someday
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 01:09 PM by TayTay
In the strongest possible terms. When it's safe. (Sorry, my mood is spiralling downward. It's Cornyn's fault. I forgot to take my anti-idiot shot today and he just made me ill.)

We must have the Iraqis take over. And I'm sure that they will as soon as they feel like it. We need to tell them to provide for their own country. But we shouldn't be too forceful to them or they might have a tantrum. We dislike this war, but we hate tantrums even more.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:10 PM
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52. Very frustrating
They (dems) keep giving all the right arguments for withdrawal, BUT without actually articulating that pretty obvious decision.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:10 PM
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53. I know. THe man is a cerified moron.
Oddly, DiFi doesn't provoke the same reaction from me that HRC does. She's not so schoolmarmish.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:11 PM
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54. did she just endorse the Levin amendment? n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #48
56. Against it and against those who are against it! Sheesh! nt
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:12 PM
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58. Di Honey, the Rethugs are going to disregard you
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 01:15 PM by TayTay
They are hunting for Kerrys today anyway. Why don't you just rear back and bring in some heat sweetie. Just smack 'em around a little bit. Tell them they believe in 'lie and die' and that they have to change their policies to prevent more death and suffering.

Honestly, Di, bring the heat honey. Smack these guys. They don't care about your well-reasoned argument. They want to bash some Democratic skulls in. Fight 'em, don't just stand there and be 'reasonable.'
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:12 PM
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55. Just got home
See, I haven't missed much but the same old talking points.

Did anyone watch "The Dark Side" on PBS last night? I would say if anyone watched that they would want our troops home as soon as possible, it was all laid out, what a fucking bunch of criminals we have running this administration. You know my husband was adamant in '00 about not voting for B/C, and it wasn't Bush he was afraid of it was Cheney, he is pure evil and this idiot in the WH let it all happen right under his nose. It also shows what Kerry was up against in making that final decision to vote for the IWR, he was LIED to pure and simple. Tenet and Powell are pitiful, no backbone to stand up to the criminals.

You can watch it here: It is a must see.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/

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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:19 PM
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66. Cheney is very scary...
and what scares me the most about him is how well he lies.
He has mastered the art of lying. It's creepy.

You know who would really appreciate that link?
Randi Rhodes. You should send it to her.
http://www.therandirhodesshow.com/live/contact

She really went off on Cheney yesterday
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:15 PM
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61. How many more plans for a plan to create a plan do we need
Before we come up with a plan?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:15 PM
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63. AGreed.
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 01:17 PM by TayTay
BTW, nice talking points Sen. Feinstein. I liked them last year when Sen. Kerry proposed them and got ignored.
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:24 PM
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73. You know
they all say that Kerry never said this and never said that, isn't it amazing how many times in the last 18 months they have taken almost all of his talking points. They use them like they were the first one to ever say it. arggggggggh.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:15 PM
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62. Anyone have any idea when Kerry will be on?
I have to get going :(!
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:16 PM
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64. I would say by 5:30 pm (EST) today
I have no idea how long they have been given for debate. It might be two hours equally divided or three hours. Sen. Kerry will have between 15-20 minutes to give a speech.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:19 PM
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67. So the whole debate
is supposed to take place today? Do you know when the votes are scheduled for?
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:22 PM
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70. ugh - well better make some room on the dvr -
don't want to miss this.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:28 PM
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77. Tay, I heard at the very beginning of the debate that.........
They were allowing 5 hrs. for debate on the Levin ammendment. They also said that Kerry would be on after the MSM news dump tonight. Too late for most folks that watch any news at all to... .care ???? Anyone else hear this or was I dreaming???
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:31 PM
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80. True. But a lot of people will be home from work
and the blogs will be up and running. We have to listen and take the things said forward.

BTW, Sen. Hutchison can bite me. (Gee, I usually like Texans. It's just their Reps who drive me nuts lately.) War, war, war, cuz it's so noble. (What, me sign up my kids? People like me don't fight. We cheer on those who fight as we cut their pay and benefits.)
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:48 PM
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84. I just hope that I'm home from work by the time he speaks!!
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 01:49 PM by discerning christian
I'm working from 7 til 9 tonight, and I can't tape it. If I miss it, I'm counting on y'all to fill me in! I don't like Texas, period!! Some Texans, yes, but most ...no!! I just can't get past JFK and Dallas. I guess it's my age????????? Except for the good folks there, I wouldn't care if God wiped it off the map, or give it back to the Indigenous people that we stole it from. (and yes, I know about the ALAMO)
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:21 PM
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69. I hear that it's going to be VERY late tonight!!
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 01:22 PM by discerning christian
Maybe you'll be able to get back in time!!!
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:19 PM
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65. 'Iraqis now see US soldiers as occupiers'
Says Iraqi National Security minister. If that's not an open invitation to leave, what is?
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:23 PM
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71. That's why dems should stop calling it a War
and start calling it an occupation.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:24 PM
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72. Warner compares a WWII battle to IRaq
Cuz that's lucid and makes sense.

He is also pushing that we have to be at war because we have been at war.

Kerry at the TBA last week:

"And that’s certainly what I felt when I came home from Vietnam, convinced that our political leaders were waging war simply to cover up their own past mistakes and that the reason to be there was that we were already there; that more had to die because many already had.

My friends, war is no excuse for its own perpetuation.

(APPLAUSE)

And a war in Iraq founded on a lie can never be true to America’s character."

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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:27 PM
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74. Repugs are always comparing Iraq to WWII
It must be in the talking point book that went out.(?) It's weird how I have been hearing it more and more


Maybe they are trying to reframe it from us comparing Iraq to
Vietnam.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:29 PM
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78. Iraq is the Republican Vietnam
We never should have gone to war. We shouldn't be there. IT is time for us to leave.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:28 PM
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75. And Kay Hutchison from Texas is now saying that we have
to stay at war because she has a wounded vet on her staff. Sigh! These people are just awful. What about all the abandoned vets who don't have proper health care? What about the Iraqis who have asked us to draw up plans to leave Iraq.

Sigh! Now Hutchison will do the Rethug dance that says that the wounded and dead cry out for more war. Yeah honey, feel the burn. It was a war based on lies and arrogance. We have to face that.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:29 PM
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79. and that we "jeopordize" the 2500 who died
How do you jeopordize the dead?
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:32 PM
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81. What amazes me about Hutchinson
is that people actually voted for her.

She is awful - altho- I heard tweety interview her once, and told her she should run for Prez:rofl:
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:28 PM
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76. Hutchinson
waving the flag with boring, empty words.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:33 PM
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82. Time for a new thread for after Kay Bailey Hutchinson?
I will put one up.
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