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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 06:32 PM
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Does anybody know if this is true?
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 06:45 PM by ray of light
http://blog.nam.org/archives/2006/06/sen_kerry_unvei_2.php


June 27, 2006
Sen. Kerry Unveils Energy Plan
Erstwhile Presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) laid out his energy plan yesterday in a speech at Faneuil Hall in Boston. We note it here without comment, will let you draw your own conclusions. We'll only note that his tacit condemnation of SUV owners rings a little hollow, since we seem to recall he drives a few of them.

No matter, here's a link to the full speech and here's a link to a summary outlining (their words, not ours), his "Three Big New Ideas," some of which "reprises some themes" from the campaign of 2004, when they were really new.





Posted by Pat Cleary at June 27, 2006 07:36 AM



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By John Engler
President, National Association of Manufacturers

As Congress prepares to leave for the Independence Day recess, there will be a big push to get through their legislative agenda this week. But before the legislators head off to celebrate our nation’s independence, they will stop to observe House Energy Week.

The quest for a more aggressive energy policy gained momentum last week with the introduction of a new bipartisan compromise in the House. The legislation, H.R. 4761 - The Deep Ocean Energy Resources Act of 2006, reflects the leadership of House Resources Committee Chairman Richard Pombo (R-PA), as well as U.S. Reps. John Peterson (R-PA), Neil Abercrombie (D-HI), Bobby Jindal (R-LA) and Charlie Melancon (D-LA). The legislation will authorize safe development of the abundant oil and natural gas supplies in the Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) from 100 miles offshore. It also includes provisions for states to opt-in/opt-out on oil and/or natural gas drilling from 0-50 or 50-100 miles offshore.

The OCS is estimated to have enough natural gas to heat 100 million homes for 60 years, and enough oil to drive 85 million cars for 35 years. These abundant supplies of energy are readily available for relatively quick development and integration into our economy.

Unfortunately, for a generation, Congress has balked at authorizing the environmentally responsible development of more domestic sources of natural gas. Some 85 percent of the OCS has been off-limits since 1981. We can no longer afford such antiquated policies.

Now is the time to address this problem. In order to compete and succeed in the global marketplace, our country needs a plentiful, diverse and affordable energy supply. With our manufacturing base and our communities at risk, it’s time to expand energy supplies through OCS development. Please join us in this important endeavor.


More information is available at www.secureourenergy.com. To contact your lawmakers in favor of OCS energy development, visit www.nam.org/energysupplynow.


June 26, 2006




John Engler is the former Republican Governor in the state of Michigan. He's well known for cutting the budget and numerous services as well as allowing our roads and infrastructure to fall to pieces. He left the state of Michigan in a horrible state and he left Jennifer Granholm with a horrible job situation to try to fix as well. The current majority party, Republicans, have spent the last two years being obstructionists and I find the fact that he's on this website to be completely ironic since it's his own party who intentionally stymied efforts made by Jennifer Granholm to bring back manufacturing jobs to Michigan. (The dear Republicans claimed that her incentive would not benefit banks and insurance. How ludicrous can they get?! After all, the manufacturers go to banks for loans and go to insurance companies to get the required insurance for their each and every project.)

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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 06:51 PM
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1. On the SUV, yeah, doesn't Teresa own one? n/t
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 06:59 PM
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2. I don't know.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 07:00 PM
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3. If what you refer to is the SUV, it is true that they have one in Idaho.
For Engler's column, this is typical BS. Sure, the GOP wants cheap energy for companies, but the proposal is totally useless for the real issue about which we should worry: global warming: carbon based energies are bad, be it coal, oil, or natural gas (and this is decreasing order).

Kerry had some of the true solutions in his speech (basically all he says except clean coal).
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 07:06 PM
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4. but for manufacturing we have to let them know that we're
enthusiastic about keeping manufacturing but we'd like some environmental control. I already have discussions with people who work in the manufacturing field. They basically say, "Dems don't want us because of the environmental issues and Republicans just want to send our jobs overseas for the slave labor." Basically they don't feel welcomed by either party.

My response to this point has been that Democrats want the manufacturing jobs to stay here, but they'd want the businesses to roll in safe guards that protect the employee as well as the environment. Sometimes that means updating equipment or other times it means regulating wastes and clean up systems. But Democrats do want to keep good jobs here!

Anyone have a better response with specific facts? I'd love to hear them.

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 07:14 PM
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6. The other issue is that these controls are for them. They are the ones
who live there, who breathe polluted air, who risk to be injured if the machines are not up to the norms.

Somebody has to explain to them that global warming will affect their kids as much (no in fact more) that he will affect the kids of the rich people. Also, doing what the dems (and in particular dems like Kerry) propose means creating good jobs in America.

Of course, all that is education, but it is the Democrats job to give these information, and to stop telling that just having cheap oil and coal is what is good for them. This will not solve the real issues, and they will be affected by these issues more than others.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 07:13 PM
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5. Was there a tacit condemnation of SUV owners
in the Senator's speech? I missed that part.
I saw a push for auto makers to increase fuel efficiency and offer alternatives.

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 07:14 PM
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7. Consider the source. Hardly objective.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 07:17 PM
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8. Have you ever been car shopping
with a guy who's 6'4"? It's a challenge.
Realistically, his options are likely about half what mine are.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 07:22 PM
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9. My comment was about NAM not being objective. You're right.
Kerry did not condemn SUVs for being SUVs. He condemned US manufacturers who, in the early 00s refused to invest in energy-efficient SUVs and are now facing a problem.

Clearly, NAM was not going to report this comment, hence the smear.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:09 PM
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10. Mine is 6' 3"
We own a Neon. He's even overweight (okay, we're both fat). We just got the best mileage car for the least price we could find. So his size isn't an issue. But we wouldn't drive that car if we lived in snow country either. Or across country. But everybody in Congress should be driving a more fuel efficient car for short jaunts.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:19 PM
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12. My ex was 6'4.
He couldn't drive my car, and when he tried to ride in it, he wasn't comfortable. He would never buy a small car.
The Senator really should ride his motorcycle to work. He just looks cool, besides getting good mileage.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:29 PM
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14. He gets flak for the Harley too
Noise pollution, I think. :eyes:

We might make a different choice if we lived somewhere else. It's 60 miles to even get to Eugene and the freeway to actually go somewhere. We shop here most of the time and can get most anything we need. But if we want to "go shopping", you know, have an actual selection, then it's 60 miles to Eugene. That gets expensive real quick!! So he just decided 40 mpg was worth the discomfort. I guarantee if gas were cheaper, we'd have a bigger car!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:30 PM
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15. With the seat all the way back,
my knees hit the dash board in small cars---long legs! Runs in the family for the 6' to 6'5' members, only a roomy vehicle will do. I found some mid-sized models less roomy than smaller cars.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:16 PM
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11. The unions supported hybrids
They sat down with JK and hashed out his entire energy plan. They talked about natural gas drilling in Alaska and Canada. They talked about supporting R&D for hybrids and various new energies for cars. I'm pretty sure they talked about becoming manufacturers of windmills, which I think are mostly made in Europe right now. An eco-friendly future and the union leaders were behind it. Engler doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about if his only answer is oil, oil, oil.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:21 PM
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13. As much as judging other people for driving SUVs and other gas hoggers
can make me feel better for a moment, judgmentalism isn't going to change the hearts and minds of the American people. Kerry was talking about a partnership between government, the auto industry, gas stations, and the consumer. I know somebody who owns an SUV and parked somewhere in a liberal urban area. When she got back there was a nasty note on her car talking about her destroying the environment and funding terrorists -- such actions are what gives liberals a bad name -- sanctimonious twit!! The better approach is Kerry's -- throw down a challenge to the WHOLE country to invent our way to energy independence and do it together. This is a long term project, and we've got to drop the judgmentalism, and start getting people EXCITED about leading the world to solve this global problem.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:34 PM
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16. You're right! IMO, it's a phony debate to change the subject!
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 08:34 PM by ProSense
Some older, smaller cars and models are less fuel efficient and more damaging to the environment than SUVs.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:35 PM
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17. I agree with that
People used to leave notes on my mother's car, she was disabled. But she had a license plate and didn't use the little mirror thing, and people left nasty notes on her car all the time. There is such a thing as being too much in each other's business, and lord knows one would have to be crossing over a pretty big line for bossy me to recognize it's been crossed!!
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:37 PM
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19. Is the SUV a hybrid?
He had a big black SUV in Boston, but I thought they got a hybrid. I can check.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 07:13 AM
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22. I hope it's a hybrid. I would LOVE to post that in their reply!
Everyone here could! ha ha ha!
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:37 PM
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18. when he took that trip out West last summer
he drove a Ford Hybrid belonging to his step-son. So there. :P
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:41 PM
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20. I'll bet his SUV's a hybrid, too.
If not, he should really get one.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 11:05 PM
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21. I think they're going from the 2004 answer
They did have an SUV at at least one of Teresa's houses. It belonged to Teresa. After the election, there were stories here that Kerry replaced his very old (non-working) car. The replacement was both American made and not an SUV, but I don't remember what kind it was.

The 2004 answer sounded evasive. It would be good if their own cars are as efficient as possible, while still meeting safety needs. Even if they drove vehicles that converted pollution in the air to fuel, they would then be questioned because of Teresa's jet.

From one account, they used a vehicle that used 100% renewable energy on Nantukett - their bicycle for two! ;)
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