KOEB Meeting 1/3/08 - Caucusing the Night Away With Keith Pt. 2

As Tweety runs off at the mouth about Obama's "projectile victory"...

:puke: :puke: :puke:

every time I see this snake smile. He make me sick. :puke:

if not up! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

but then, Tweety does that to me.

He came in 5th!

Keith led Countdown for two or three or maybe four nights with the "Sex On the City" story.

Now Tweety is saying it was all entirely false, that the NYT admitted Rudy was completely and utterly on the up and up, and still going on and on about how unfair it is that St. Rudy lost 10 points in the polls on what was ultimately proven to be a FALSE accusation against him.

Well???? Anyone???? Bueller????? :shrug:

and was buried way inside the paper.

I've asked this before, but if the NYT went with this story and Keith went with this story and neither one of them had a shred of proof, or they went off entirely half-cocked about it, what the F is happening to journalism?

And what the F is happening to KEITH?

Crap like this only makes him more vulnerable to the right-wing wackos and their accusations that he NEVER tells the truth, that he ALWAYS lies about Republicans for no better reason other than his irrational hatred of them.

that Keith is much too big of a man, and journalist, to quibble over a point which is, really, a distraction from the subject at hand.

In other words, Tweety is bloviating, and Keith is silently rolling his eyes. :)

Whether it affects the results or not...

Was Keith's story a lie? Is Tweety telling the truth?

Did Keith lead off his show night after night with a slur against someone that turned out to be entirely false?

That's all I'm asking.

I mean, what if Tweety led off his show for night after night with a false story about Obama being a Muslim? And Obama lost 10 points in the polls and lost tonight?

Would we all say that was irrelevant?

Just asking.

They never should have brought him in tonight, as far as I'm concerned.

Was the story about Rudy incorrectly billing his trysts with Judith to the taxpayers by burying the expenses illegally in other various accounts true, or was it false?

Was this scandal that Democrats and other Rudy-haters, and Keith, crowed about for days and days and days, false?

But, as you all know, I really haven't been around DU much in December. As far as I know, I think the story still stands. But someone said "Look at the bright, shiny object" and everyone went elsewhere.

It would also seem to me that if the story was proven wrong, Keith would own up to it.

And, ultimately, we all know that Tweety is full of shit. For some reason, he feels the need to prove that over and over and over....

He said billing obscure agencies was done all the time. Former mayors Koch and Dinkens said they never heard of such a thing. :shrug:

He came in 6th, didn't he?

He focused all his attention elsewhere, pretty much conceding victory to someone else. That's why I was pissed when they decided to interview him.

Whew, there's room on the dance floor too. I'm taking a dinner break. Be back in a bit.

I'm pooped. :P

:evilgrin:

:D

it seems Tweety is not well-liked among the KOEB. :evilgrin:

But I really want to know...Tweety is essentially calling Keith a liar. Is he right?

But I wouldn't be surprised if Rudy isn't Tweety's pick. Would you?

He's always kissed Rudy's ass. But all that aside...is he right?

That's all I want to know.

And if he is, why doesn't Keith apologize for having led off his news show with a completely false story for several nights in a row? He can apologize for uncharitable things said about David Vitter's wife's dress. Why can't he apologize about something way more important?

He has apologizes in the past whenever he has made mistakes or reported wrong. I think if that were the case here, he would say so.

That's my take on this.

Keith has always struck me as a believer in fairness and the principles of journalism above all else. I know we all hate Rudy and if it turns out that a scandalous story about him is not true after all, some of us would just as soon forget about it and sweep it under the rug. But Keith made hay out of it--a LOT of hay--in a journalistic sense. I'm not saying he was the only one--far from it--he didn't break it, after all (Politico did, right?). But he ran with it, and as a result, if it is completely false, he owes it to us to say as much.

That's just Journalism 101. And if he doesn't, it makes him look just as horribly biased as the Keith-haters always say he is.

On edit: OK, here's the situation. No matter how much I use the Google, I cannot find ANY proof that the Rudy's Love Shack story has been entirely and thoroughly discounted. The ONLY update on it remains that NYT story from back on 12/21 in which they say that it's "unlikely" that Rudy billed his travel expenses in any shady way. That's IT!

And yet, Tweety is claiming on the basis of that, that Rudy has been completely exonerated, and of course all the right-wing blogs jumped on it like a chicken on a bug and spun it as complete exoneration of Rudy, too. They also excoriated the NYT for "burying" said exoneration on page A21.

Am I crazy, that I don't read "unlikely" as a complete exoneration?

Even the headline says "Giuliani's Office Shifted Money Around? Yes. To Hide Hamptons Trips? Unlikely."

To me, that's not exoneration.

And it makes me think that when I ask who the real journalist is--Tweety or Keith--again, I know the answer will NOT be Tweety.

*sigh*

the day that second NYT story came out. There is no new news. That's his story, and he's sticking to it.

IIRC, that story said that money was spent, and some of it was accounted for correctly. Yet it didn't disprove the affair, the money being spent, or some odd accounting at all.

The story certainly didn't disprove the affair (I don't think he was trying to do that) and that was still pretty skanky, even if he never spent a taxpayer dime on it. But that wasn't the real point, the point was, were the accounting insinuations false? The only answer so far seems to be "maybe" or "yeah, some of them, but not necessarily all."

And I imagine we won't hear about it again until someone comes up with something more concrete.

But in the meantime, Tweety blathers on and on as if Rudy never did anything wrong, and how unfair it is that he lost those 10 poll points over "nothing." Even Rudy himself doesn't seem to be as hung up on it as Tweety is (maybe because he'd really PREFER that everyone forget it lest something even more unsavory come to light).

Tweety is an ass.

with a big mancrush.

OK, that didn't sound so good. :)

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Yeah...he sucks!!! :evilgrin:

And stunned that Democrats would reject her at all! Why, that would prove him WRONG, and that's just not possible!! :eyes:

:hi: all.

I was flipping between two channels on tv and watching the site for numbers. Gave up on reading threads and hoping I can see some of what I missed of Keith on replay. My question, has Iowa ever been this close for the top three? That is the bigger news to me and keeps all 3 top runners viable. I am trying to listen to Keith and close my ears to all the other talking heads so people like Tweety don't piss me off. Not working to good though. Tweety, women do not vote because of someones sex, race or looks but for what they stand for, same goes for Obama voters. Only repukes and you are that shallow.


Also isn't it time Obama was added to spell checks.

:hug:

Amen to all of the above! I can't help but wonder how things would sound if Keith were teamed with, oh, Tom Brokaw or Dan Abrams instead. Or even better, Rachel. :)

How's the zoo crew?

:hug: back at ya!

Or just Keith. Then we could hear something worth listening to.



Did you see the video I posted?

Most of the zoo crew is doing well but from now on I think we are going to skip 12-22. I lost Puzzles unexpectedly on the 22nd, same day I lost Jazzy unexpectedly in 2005.

How is your dad? And how are the kitties?

:hug:

I'm glad to hear the rest of the crew are well.

that my ferrets are all pretty much considered elderly now. I keep reminding him no matter how hard it is I don't see me ever being ferret-less. The bird (Harley) better live out his average life span though.

My boy Sheridan just turned 12 on Dec 21 and most books say the avg lifespan for a Golden is about 10 to 12 years. So I consider every day we have together a gift.

I know I will have to face losing him one day, but he's healthy and still so much a puppy that I think we will have a while yet. This woman on a Golden site I belong to had her Golden live to 19 years old and he was very healthy for most of it. So who knows.

Give your other babies a big hug. I've never owned a ferret. I've had gerbils and hamsters in the past. Not the same I realize, but ferrets fascinate me. I saw a show on my locate PBS station about 2 wks ago about this ferret show in Ohio, where people who raised them brought them to be judged, like a dog or cat show. It was interesting.

He hates ferrets. Thinks people who own them are sick, perverted weasel-lovers with serious psychiatric problems. :rofl:

better. Harley came with his name and since he was a rescue (and abused) I hate how he got his. Since he is a bird and knew his name I didn't try to change it. He had been through enough.

Ferret heaven is getting a bit crowded, isn't it? :( O8)

Dad's doing well, all things considered. He has some memory issues, but overall, doing good for an old man. He'll be 89 on Feb. 2.

Critters are good, and CC is cuddled in my arms as I try to type. He sends his love to you, dear namesake! :hug::loveya:


PS - and a nose-kiss, too.

Even the "puppy" is 51.2 years old. The guess is kidney cancer on Puzzles. We are adjusting, it was hard on the other ferrets because Puz never met a ferret he didn't make welcome and baby. I am of course paranoid and worry with every sneeze again.

Glad to hear all is good with dad and the kitties, special my Godfurchild. (I elected myself godparent for CC. I will leave room for Berry to be Keith's, maybe. lol) How was your Christmas? Any easier this year on you?

I still miss Mom something fierce. I missed her more on my birthday, though. Even so, I could feel her nearby.

Was Ter home for the holidays? I hope you got some good quality time, and not time spent doing renovations, either. :)

would you not want to miss her? Once I realized that to not miss would be so much worse than the missing it made the missing a bit easier to handle. Hope that came out sounding ok in typing. But it is said with lots of understanding and a big hug.

Ter was on the road for xmas. He gets home late Friday night and leave again Mondays afternoons so he was in Indiana Christmas day. I am used to it so play the Wii all day and just relaxed. We just had our quiet Christmas on Sunday. No renovating that weekend. Back to it this weekend though.

:hug::loveya:

And if you didn't, it would be wrong. *sigh*

I know you understand, all too well. :hug:

Keith the cat, that is. :-)

Pass the tuna, please. :)

Yummy... (???) :rofl:

Followed by a milk-ring toss, 15 minutes of petting and purring, and a snuggly nap.

:evilgrin: Especially if the human one was a Conehead.

What a shame.

I do have lots of pictures of him since he would pose and lots of good memories to get me through, and all the fur/feathered kids left to keep me busy.

Now I know why "ferret" is used as a verb.

Chuck Norris.

I don't either.

He looks like Tim Allen's deranged brother.

me so long to answer but the dogs decided I had made them wait long enough to go out for the night. They starting howling with the whining. Way to cold to just let them out and forget for a few so waited for them to finish. Spoiled dogs. lol

Of course he is. I saw Rudy on for a minute, he looked positively queasy.
I really want to see the numbers broken down. How much did 'what about Mitt' spend per caucus voter as opposed to Huckabee who spent nothing.

And I'm seeing Wes Clark Jr. for the first time, very nice, very funny, great voice, but he has no lips.

Or kiss. :)

Thank Gawd that number putting Guiliani at 11% was incorrect. I almost had a chicken there for a minute.

Chris just mentioned that Obama is "an African-American guy".

Obama is black. Alert the media!

in the general. He also think Huckabee will survive the primaries and put Ghouliani away in Fla-la-la.

I'm actually very excited about Obama, more so than I thought I would be. Its very thrilling.
Hillary is dropping below the 30% mark.
Cenk and Ben just asked Richard Wolfe why the media hates Edwards so much, and imho he got very defensive in his answer.

Nevermind. He's there now. He's very cute.

Does his dad have lips?

Who cares when you put it that way.

:spank:

I was looking at Ben and Keith at the same time on my computer and thought...Dang, reasonable, coherent and smart men SURE ARE SEXY!

PS...you can add Wes Jr. too!

And yeah, there's probably a lot of truth to that, too.

Chris Matthews across the room. It was a beautiful thing to behold. He was squeaking in the background and she took her formidable intellect and blugeoned him about the face and neck with it. I love ha!!!

pity. I woulda loved to see more of that. :evilgrin:

She made her points though, loud and clear. She even bristled at them calling it for Obama early than she would have liked. I'm sure she was remembering 2000, like we all do whenever the media 'projects' anything about elections to us.

Keith needs to do it, too. He always blathers over Keith.

I don't know whether Tweety will be able to get over all those women NOT voting for Hillary like he assumed.

He'll have to rewrite all that stale material he calls newscasting.

:woohoo: so loud that I scared the cats! :rofl:


Okay, I'm sick of this crap; I'm rewinding last night's Project Runway.

Um, Edwards is very happy, Tweety you twit. He was supposed to lose BIG to Obama & Hillary.

dg

Fierce. Good choice sweetie.

were a hot mess. LOL!

We call him Benjaya.

Priceless!

then he has to share in the "loss."

I don't know. If he didn't lose big, then he's gotta be happy. C'mon, Keith.

Besides, does one race really make anyone a loser? Or do they just prove the pundits wrong?

but journalistic values mean something to me. The fact that I feel Keith reflects true journalistic values is the only reason I watch him and admire him. If the day ever comes when I really believe that he's picking on people he doesn't like politically just to pick on them, with no regard for the truth, I cannot and will not be a fan.

But. But. The big trouble here is that it is damn difficult to find out what the truth really is. Yes, we can now look up anything we want on the Internets from the comfort of home, but when we do, we have to wade through all the crap and shit and spin by all the bloggers and other slanted news sources to try to find out what's really going on. It was almost easier back in the days when we had to go to the library and research stuff on paper in publications that our library might not even have a copy of yet.

In the words of John Lennon, "Just gimme some truth."

Please don't believe anything Tweety states as "fact." More often than not, it is wishful thinking on his part.

But this is the second time he's said this, and I keep thinking, "Did I miss something?" It's like, well, if he kept asking Keith "Keith, do you think Obama's Muslim faith was a factor in how the caucusing went?" I wouldn't be able to help it; I'd be thinking "Did I miss Obama announcing that he really IS Muslim?"

OK, so - does Christian remind you of "My Pretty Pony?" :rofl:

I'd never want to smack a pony upside the head with a 2X4.

:rofl:

dg

:rofl:

He spent nearly every episode criticizing everyone else's designs. Catty li'l queen.

more often.

Thanks to MSNBC for not cutting his speech off.

I'm still teary eyed. He's a powerful speaker.

Cenk he was 'fucking high man'. Too mucking fuch.

stop yelling. You'll hurt your voice.

And I'm pretty fond of the rest of him, too. :)

a total babe. :)

perhaps even before Sharon did. :P

He may have been at one of the events where I saw Kerry, but I never met him.

Wow! :rofl:

You one-upped me on this one.

But I did get him to sign my event ticket. I have it framed. :)

It's just about gone now.

:woohoo: :woohoo:

dg

And I wish Chris would just STFU. What a maroon.

somewhere and not just soundbites. Anybody hear it? I guess I would have had to tolerate Tweety to see it live. Dang, I just couldn't do it.

He had me in tears. Wonderful, powerful speech. MSNBC stayed with him the whole time...never cut him off.

Then Tweenty had to ruin it by opening his mouth and making a comment. :puke:

Meanwhile here's what the Republicans really think of Huckabee
http://egan.blogs.nytimes.com/

Turn the channel.

I sure hope he wins New Hampshire and can stay in it. I like Obama, but just not as much, and I worry he tries too much to play it safe by trying to appeal to the Republican reaching across the aisle thing. We've tried that already, that doesn't work. It really doesn't work.

I hope he stays in too. I think he has the resources for a while longer.

Obama gavea great speech too, as did Hillary. We're really lucky to have so many smart people.

I'd love to see the other candidates in cabinet positions.

It was excellent.

This is great. I love it when the sons of former Presidential candidates and NATO Supreme Commanders curse live on the air.

Although I can understand your doubt, because you really can't see the gigantic brooch all that well. :)

:rofl:

'Tis a shame she was foreign-born. SHE would have made one hell of a president.

She'd definitely make a great one -- too bad she can't run.

:thumbsup:

:woohoo::bounce::bounce:

It's non-alphabetical. :)

On MSNBC they've had him just below Obama ever since Obama went on top.

I thought that since they zoomed in on the board while Hil was speaking, they were announcing that he moved ahead of her. My bad.

That's pretty much a dead heat for second.

candidate. Iowans have never sent a female politician to Congress and the highest a woman has ever gotten in state politics is Lt. Governor. Ole Tweety said what I've alwys thought tonight: Black men got the vote before women of any color. So if Obama beats Hillery for the nomination it would'nt surprise me. It must be a cultural thing. The Repubs won't win is the only sure thing in this race to the White House!

From your lips to God's ears. I just hope you're right. Huckabee is sounding frighteningly good in this speech. He's staying away from the religious stuff and making himself sound very inspiring and mainstream. That scares me. What if he gets elected because enough people don't recognize him for the religious nutcase he is?

was going to be Hillary's running mate. Wes Jr. just slapped down both Obama and Hillary for not standing up to Bush and insisting he be proscecuted for war crimes. His quote 'They are both FUCKING lawyers'. They are also talking about the experience question and saying that Hillary has more experience in the Senate capitulating to Bush. 'Obama's only been capitulating for three years as opposed to Hillary's seven.
Oy.

Almost as much as my SIL did. :evilgrin:

looks like the transsexual actress from Dirty Sexy Money.

On edit: I think it's Mrs. Chuck Norris to whom I refer.

:rofl:

I have a feeling she's Chuck Norris' wife.

I was editing my post.

that CNN is reporting that Dodd has dropped out. I'm not surprised, but it's so sad to me. I hope he become majority leader or gets a cabinet post. I have a feeling Biden won't be far behind, which is also sad.

so sad to hear about Dodd.

"Well, gohuh-hol-LEE!" :rofl:

Sorry I won't be able to do this the night of the NH primary. We have our monthly county Dems meeting that night, although I might be home by 10 or so.

See y'all tomorrow.

Sleep well. :hi:

Sweet dreams!

Stay warm and sleep well.

Take care. Stay warm.

into a theocratic society...they will elect Huckabee. I don't give a damn what anyone says, that man will turn us into one.

He will always...always insert his religious beliefs into his decisions if he were President.

He scares the HELL out of me.

My only hope is that neocons find him as frightening as we do and, hence, will do what it takes to ensure he doesn't make it.

Sorry, Mitt, but I think you just may be Michelle Kwan.

Good for you, Barry. Now get rid of the evangelical ex-gays as your supporters and I'll feel a lot better about you.

Inspiring.

"Hope is the thing with feathers/That perches in the soul..." :rofl:

Seriously, I just read that NYT piece about Huckabee and what a hick he is. What a hoot. You could make a sitcom out of it if he got into the White House: "The Washington Huckabee Hillbillies." :rofl:

Oh well, goodbye Biden, goodbye Dodd. More X's on Keith's candidate portrait.

Wow, Tweety sounds like he's running out of steam. Does he need a donut? :rofl:

Take care. Gotta go so I can get everyone up tomorrow.

I mean, in the back of my head I knew this for a long time (especially with all the fuss we got into here one night over who is a baby boomer and who is not), but it's really hitting me now that it might actually be possible for Obama to become president.

And that if he does, we will not only have a black president, we will, for the first time in my life, have a president MY AGE.

That hit me like a ton of bricks. Just like the first time I saw the birth and death dates of Princess Diana and a chill went through my body as if I were looking at my own tombstone.

Part of me says "I don't feel that old." But part of me also says "Obama doesn't look that old. So maybe neither of us is old."

And I finally understood viscerally why so many people his age got so excited when JFK was elected. In a way I never have before.

And another one gone, another one gone.

Guess I'll keep watching Keith until he signs off, most likely at midnight, but sign off online.

G'night folks. I'm off to dream sweet dreams of a minty Keith and a Dem president.

G'nite, Berry. Sweet Otter Dreams to ya!