The Bush administration and Iran

Looking for people's opinion here.

Does the Bush administration truly want Iran to completely abandon it's nuclear ambitions? Or, would they rather Iran continue in it's "stubborn" ways so that we can move towards "regime" change and the propping up of another client state? In other words, does Iran have anything to do with at with nuclear weapons and national security?

I posted my reply before reading yours - our subject lines are almost identical! :hi:

Beware wolves that speak out of both sides of their mouths.

Yesterday's speech by Condi was nothing more than an ultimatum and a framing of the nuclear issue with Iran. If you listen to her - she demands the only way the US will talk to them is if they abandon enrichment of uranium for weapons. Now, first of all, do we have evidence Iran is actively pursuing building a bomb? No. Second, what does anyone do when given an ultimatum? They say hell no.

So this "diplomacy" we're seeing from Bushco isn't diplomacy at all, and they have no intention of working things out with Iran. It's an attempt to rachet up the rhetoric - and it's the first step in convincing the American public that we must bomb Iran because they're developing nukes and they'll eventually use them against us. And we need to do it soon cause they'll have a bomb by the end of the year. :eyes: Same strategy they used with Iraq.

Back to PNAC - the goal is for the US to become a major player in the middle east by destabalization of the region. Iraq was part of their plan, so is Iran.

So no - it's not about nuclear weapons and national security. It's about corporations and money.

I know it as well as anyone. I've even read their manifesto.

My own opinion on this is that nukes and security have next to nothing to do with the whole thing. Just wanting to see if the majority here agree.

What I'm afraid of is that the American people will fall for the lies and fear tactics again.

sad to say. Hard to believe given the Iraq debacle. It won't be hard to paint Iran as a much more "threatening" adversary than Iraq ever was. It will also be easier to tie Iran to "terrorists".

in "direct" talks! They forgot to mention that this "offer" was so conditional as to pretty musc kill any chances of a real dialogue. they also failed to mention that this administration knows it quite well.

This is an example of what Bushco LAUGHINGLY refers to as diplomacy and we all remember how it works from pre Iraq invasion days...

Iran is not a military threat to the United States. Never was, never will be.

Just remember every war. EVERY war is about economics in one way or another.

Controlling the oil gives the US leverage over China, who happens to hold a ton of US debt. At the same time they are doing that, they are protecting the security interests of Israel by creating a confrontation with a potential enemy to Israel.

Instead making nice, they want to make war.

A few ancillary benefits are that it keeps their military contractors employed and happy, the oil industry is happy and rich (as the cost per barrel of oil skyrockets equating to more and more profits for them, because we ain't gonna stop driving our vehicles no matter what)

It gives the right-wing owned media something to hammer dissent with (your not supporting the troops in war)

It deprives the country of needed social programs due to everything being spent on war.

Bankrupts the social safety net. Essentially turning back the clock to the Pre-Industrial Revolution days where robber barrons ruled government'

Its called fascism.

really the only downside is the risk of political fallout if the sheep at home can't be kept on board. But alas, we sent a clear message in November 2004. We may not like your war Mr. President, but we'll support you in this time of war.

the mystery bunkers fit with their new nuclear bunker-busters

if the U.N. acts on Iran it sets a precedent for reopening the N.Korea issue.

the threatened sanctions would punish those nations who seek independent sources of energy and oil, proposing to replace the oil currency with rubles or euros.

the rest is just more hypocricy and duplicity as the U.S. has long abandoned the NPT in favor of developing new nuclear weapons with new justifications for their use.

plus, chaos enhances the tyrant's reign over the fear-induced protection racket


my 2 cents -- Dealing with the U.S. Devil (6-01-2006)