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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:45 PM
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Should the Family of 2 US Presidents GIVE THE INDIANS FREAKN' SKULL BACK?
Can you IMAGINE a Dem President keeping the skull of any American Indian-- or anybody else --as a family souvenir?
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:50 PM
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1. Well it belongs in their trophy case , with Saddam's Pistol...
Juniors 1st coke spoon,, Neal's 1st paycheck from Sliverado Savings....Poppies letter of recommendations from Adolf,,,
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:51 PM
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2. But in order for Bush to give it back,
... first he'd have to admit that the crime/dishonorable act was committed by his grandpappy in the first place. And the Bush Dynasty simply doesn't DO such a thing. :puke:
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:52 PM
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3. Yes, this all goes back to yours vs mine
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 04:52 PM by MissWaverly
In their equation there is no concept of the other person at all, so yours = mine, and mine = mine. That's why Iraq is one big blow up; I believe if we honestly tried to help the Iraqi
people that we would not have what we have now. Iraq = magic palace, permanent bases, happy
Halliburton, happy contractors, miserable Iraqis, miserable soldiers, miserable US taxpayers =
good idea to Bush, Cheney.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:56 PM
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8. Career of Evil - I choose to steal what you choose to show...
I plot your rubric scarab,
I steal your satellite
I want your wife to be my
Baby tonight, baby tonight

I choose to steal what you chose to show
And you know I will not apologize
You're mine for the taking
I'm making a career of evil

Pay me Ill be your surgeon
Id like to pick your brain
Capture you inject you
Leave you kneeling in the rain
Kneeling in the rain

I choose to steal what you chose to show
And you know I will not apologize
You're mine for the taking
I'm making a career of evil

Id like your blue eyed horseshoe,
Id like your emerald horny toad
Id like to do it to your daughter on a dirt road

And then Id spend your ransom money,
But still Id keep your sheep
Id peel the mask you're wearing,
And then rob you of your sleep
Rob you of your sleep

I choose to steal what you chose to show
And you know I will not apologize
You're mine for the taking
I'm making a career of evil
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:09 PM
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21. How appropriate.
Yet disturbing. When will this Nightmare end?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:14 PM
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27. Maybe we need to get Blue Oyster Cult to write another song
They did one about the Ayatollah years ago... "if he really thinks we're the devil, then let's send him to hell..."

Nightmare, indeed. I was just discussing the state of the union with my boyfriend... I've never felt so doomed in all of my life. If I weren't mad as hell I'd be scared to death.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:18 PM
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31. Aha!
I didn't know that was BOC! Should have known! Yeah, I vaciliate between Doom Wailing and Anger Screeching.

How lovely, huh? :eyes:
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:10 PM
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22. evil consumes and gives nothing, it is like a forest fire
after it devours; there is nothing left, like the GOP going in and interfering with the salmon
industry, 88,000 salmon died in shallow waters last year, this year the 1-1/2 million fishing
industry is gone, zip. You have fishermen just standing around with nothing. There is no
concept of sharing, giving, listening to anyone else's opinion, just listen to your gut, and
if things go wrong, well, you're out of there-down the road.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:16 PM
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29. Their arrogance is only surpassed by their stupidity
If something doesn't happen, and soon, I fear we are all doomed.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:18 PM
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30. our pal: Karl Rove opened the valve to release the water
onto the farmlands, he made a special trip from DC to do it, he always goes where he's needed.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:26 PM
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36. Good ol' KKKarl
Should have known.
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Bitter Cup Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:53 PM
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4. Rich people are entitled to their trophies.
If they can't degrade a whole culture by turning their leaders into cheap gags then they aren't being allowed their elitist freedoms.

It's good to be King...right?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:54 PM
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6. alas, poor yorik
i knew him well...
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:12 PM
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26. this doesn't work even as a cheap gag
They are public servants, this is something a crime family would do, like the bones from Jimmy
Hoffa, he's probably a trophy somewhere.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:26 PM
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35. Raygun might have Hoffa's.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:28 PM
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37. he's probably buried under the RNC
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Bitter Cup Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:48 PM
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41. They aren't public servants
I think we've can all agree that has been firmly established over the last 5 years. Serving the public is their LAST priority. Now crime on the other hand...
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:53 PM
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5. I don't think anyone could have anticipated the American Indians
Wanting their family remains back.

Finders keepers.

:sarcasm:
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:55 PM
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7. Supposedly stolen from a grave. How tough was that? It isn't like it
was from mortal combat. Used a pick and shovel, with the skeleton just laying there. What if every fraternity or club across the country decided to do the same thing? Graverobbers and desecrated open graves in Arlington wouldn't be tolerated.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:00 PM
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12. whoa. the decendents could demand Granpa Bush' noggin, tho'
GW's is probably much lighter and thus easier to transport.
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:03 PM
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14. One thing's for certain. Wouldn't have to scrape any brains out. n/t
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:05 PM
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17. truedat! lol
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:57 PM
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9. Is it legal
to own a human skull?

Other than one's very own of course.

I would not think so.

Curious.

180
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:12 PM
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24. They sell 'em on Ebay.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:19 PM
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32. Does not surprise me
But still? If one owns human parts there always must be the question; "Where did they come from?"

In South Carolina it was at one time a ten thousand dollar fine to have any part of a loggerhead turtle no matter where it came from.

Seems owning human parts might be worth more?

180
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:21 PM
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33. These come from medical schools and anthropology museums, usually...
which means that they were either donated to science or dug up by 18th and 19th century graverobbers. And it's not as though humans are an endangered species.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:25 PM
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34. I guess it's legal as long as it isn't an American Indian skull
Genuine Human Skulls

Yes, The Bone Room sells real human skulls. Contrary to popular belief, there is nothing to prevent you from owning a human skull in the United States. We sell skulls to a wide range of interesting people. Educators use them in their classrooms. Medical professionals purchase them as demonstration or research specimens. Artists incorporate them into their work. The human skull is a true marvel of nature, functional and beautiful in all its aspects. We like to point out that everyone has one. Ours are just a bit more exposed!

Human Skulls from China

Our regular selection of Human Skulls come from China. Generally, these are large, uncut skulls with unattached mandibles.

http://www.boneroom.com/skulls/newskulls1.html
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:30 PM
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38. Yup!
I just did a Google on the subject.

Being a body donor I am sort of interested. Might be my skull adorns a coffee table one day.

"Alas 180 you are but a shadow of your former self."

Hahahaha.

180
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:39 PM
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40. LOL, I fancy I could finally become useful to society, too....
perhaps a paperweight or a doorstop. :shrug:
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Dufaeth Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:59 PM
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10. link?
whats the story?
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:00 PM
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11. Would you please be kind enough to provide some context?
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 05:01 PM by janx
This is the first I've heard of this...

When I was growing up, we had a model of a human skull. His name was OSS. We rubber-banded his jaw and put lights inside of his head on Halloween.

But he wasn't a real skull; he was only OSS.

Do you mean to say that the Bush family has a real skull in its possession--the skull of an American Indian?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:03 PM
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13. Certainly:
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:04 PM
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15. Prescott Bush dug up and stole Geronimo's skull
Apparently, they've been keeping it at the Skull & Bones 'clubhouse'.

Geronimo's family call on Bush to help return his skeleton
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2317265&mesg_id=2317265
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:05 PM
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16. The Skull and Bones, the secret organization at Yale University
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 05:05 PM by Downtown Hound
of which the Bush family has been members of for generations, has long been believed to posses the skull of Geronimo. It is even widely rumored that it was none other than Dubya's grandfather, Prescott, that wonderful Nazi lover, that went to his grave and dug it up in the first place.

Supposedly the skull sits on an altar in their meeting place at Yale.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:06 PM
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19. pssst...best part:
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 05:07 PM by elehhhhna
I think it's been debunked and isn't G'mo's noggin'.

Another Bush, Another LIE. Yawn.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:11 PM
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23. See This Article
http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/issues/current/notebook.html

Prescott Bush isn't the one who dug it up.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:15 PM
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28. "...discovered the letter in Sterling Memorial Library..."
Perfect. That place is spooky in itself, and cold in the winter, if I remember correctly. ;-)
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:05 PM
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18. And blood on their hands. Gallons. Out damned spot. n/t
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:08 PM
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20. Right.
The federal Native American Burial Protection & Repatriation Act, signed by President Bush1 into law, would seem to apply here.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:12 PM
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25. Thanks to everyone for the explanations...
It sounds pretty outlandish--like some story some old Bush fans may have been proud of--but that family has been known for some major screw-ups before.

Has anyone heard of a guy who is Prescott's brother, James Smith Bush?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:35 PM
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39. How about sharing a clue as to what you're talking about?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:52 PM
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42. try post 13
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