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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:08 PM
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FAA takes the wind out of wind farms
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0605310078may31,1,7557291.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

The federal government has stopped work on more than a dozen wind farms planned across the Midwest, saying research is needed on whether the giant turbines could interfere with military radar.

But backers of wind power say the action has little to do with national security. The real issue, they say, is a group of wealthy vacationers who think a proposed wind farm off the coast of Cape Cod in Massachusetts would spoil the view at their summer homes.

Opponents of the Cape Wind project include several influential members of Congress. Critics say their latest attempt to thwart the planting of 130 turbines in Nantucket Sound has led to a moratorium on new wind farms hundreds of miles away in Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, North Dakota and South Dakota.

Federal officials declined to reveal how many stop-work orders have been sent out. But developers said that at least 15 wind farm proposals in the Midwest have been shut down by the Federal Aviation Administration since the start of the year.

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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:10 PM
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1. Put colored lights that can be strobed, allowing them to carve
pretty designs for the fa fa people.... then they could say ooh and ahh in the evening thinking it was all done to entertain them. "OR" just use the military's stealth technology to render them invisible to the naked wealthy eye.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:34 PM
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11. Make them look like hungry children.
The rich will never see them, they will be invisible.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:10 PM
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18. So true
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:48 PM
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22. My healthy cynicism has gone to a darker place.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 05:37 AM
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25. Ooooooh...... you're good you..... you're very very good..... check it
Cell towers that look like trees.... make spirals on windmills, they can hypnotize and mesmerize while they make watts....




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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:13 PM
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2. Translation: Oil Mafia won't make $Billions nt
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:14 PM
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3. Midwest wind Farms are MORE sensitive to migrations
of birds and bats.and studies can accomodate these factors .. but never mind - it is not as important as Rummy, -- the environment is not a consideration at all now. Aargh.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:19 PM
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5. The new huge windmills aren't a problem with birds or bats or noise.
This is what they look like:



They turn very slowly, and are completely soundless; I know because I live next to one.
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:28 PM
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8. That is good news
Wind farms near the sensitive area of the Horicon Marsh in Wisconsin have raised the issue. As well as other regions home to bats in Northern Wisconsin and Upper Michigan.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:47 PM
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13. I have heard that birds fly into the blades and die. HOWEVER....
birds also fly into windows & glass skyscrapers and die. I love birds and feed them all the time, but I doubt we're going to do away with windows and glass buildings any time soon.

There's another thing that's very harmful to birds. The jet engine!!!! Talk to anyone who works at an airport! We're not going to do away with them soon either, huh?
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:50 PM
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14. that's just early 'swiftboating' of wind farms. A total lie.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:24 PM
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20. Was a problem with earlier, faster turning windmills.
More recent, industrial windmills meant to be used in windfarms are large, with blades that turn much slower. Birds can see an avoid them, unlike the previous generation which spun fast enought to blur.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 12:02 PM
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27. Yes, exactly.
If you've ever seen a bird fly through dense trees, you know they can easily see the blades of that type of windmill and avoid it. And if that was a problem, wouldn't there be dead birds collecting around the windmills?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:16 PM
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4. Because radar is so effective at/near ground level!
I call horseshit.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:30 PM
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9. Exactly
the curveature of the earth puts the beams way above anything near the ground. The radar beams will overshoot the turbines.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:33 PM
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10. It's called "ground clutter."




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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:40 PM
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12. I know it as "Oil Crony Clutter" but I'll defer to you.
:D
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:02 PM
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15. Checkmated.
Again.

:rofl:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:05 PM
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16. I think the Tolstoy quote makes it a draw.
:toast:
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:26 PM
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6. "would spoil the view at their summer homes"
And we wouldn't want to sacrifice their precious view for the sake of reducing our dependence on oil for energy. How do the wealthy get so detached from reality? :shrug:
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:11 PM
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19. They don't seem to mind power lines running everywhere, why the fuss over
this? Seems to me, as with phone lines, after a while they become part of the view and ya don't even see them any more.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:26 PM
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21. Powerlines don't suck the money out of their grabby little hands.
Oops. Was that my out loud voice?
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:00 PM
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23. Wake up, marmar.
Meet your masters. They own us. It will only get worse. Speak Chinese?

Mac
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:27 PM
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7. i think wind farms are beautiful!
i would love to have a view of one!
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:10 PM
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17. It takes a lot of those suckers...
to get any real wind going.:)

--IMM
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:08 PM
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24. Next up: Wind farms will cause tornadoes and hurricanes
We must stop these evil propellers, who threaten to steal money from oil companies.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 07:56 AM
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26. If they ran on oil they'd be cranking by now.....
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