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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:48 AM
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== Telcos using our money to trick us into a NO on Net Neutrality!
Heads up!! At this moment there are ads running on TV claiming the Telcos want Net Neutrality to keep us from having something called TV Choice. The ad urges us to contact our reps and urge a NO on Net Neutrality.

I finally caught the name of the sponsor of these ads: TV 4 US. I knew this was crap, a scam against the uninformed, and lo and behold, here's what just one blog says about TV 4 US, what else they're doing, and who they really work for:

AT&T using your money to trick you

The latest telco-fueled effort to scare Americans to side with AT&T against Net Neutrality:


Be on the alert for friendly callers bearing lies about increased costs to consumers.

Here’s what “k0© had to report about this latest telco effort to deceive customers:

    I just got a phone call by a nice lady that tried to persuade me that net neutrality is bad. Because there is an internet price increase coming really really soon, and Google wants me to pay for it. The dialog went something like this: (obligatory awkward call center pause) Her: “Hello, I’m calling from a non profit organization called TV 4 US, and we call consumers about an upcoming internet price hike. The big internet companies, like, (small pause) Microsoft want you to pay for that. Do you think that is fair?” Me, confused: “Uhm, what are you calling about?” Her: “The internet is going to be more expensive, because big companies like Microsoft and Google are wasting all our bandwidth. Do you think consumers should pay for that? Or should the big companies that are wasting the bandwidth pay for that?” At which point I tried to argue that companies use bandwidth because consumers use their services, but of course she was trained to end her call as soon as she would hit a road block. I managed to get a little bit of information about her non profit before she hung up tho: TV 4 US apparently doesn’t have a website. Maybe they want to save some of that precious bandwidth before Google and Microsoft are gonna waste it all. But they can be reached at 888-346-1400. Just in case you want to tell them what you think about dumbing down policy issues.

Indeed, “TV 4 US” (they do have a Web site) is yet another AT&T-backed front group that is burning through telco cash to spread the lie that Net Neutrality will cost consumers.

What’s really costing consumers isn’t Net Neutrality but the phone companies’ multi-million-dollar campaign to kill it. Companies like AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth have spent tens of millions of dollars on canned phone calls, advertisements, DC lobbyists and phony front groups to squash our genuine grassroots effort.

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This is LOW. And I've checked the details of the registrant for (TV 4 US) wewantchoice.com -- it's all private, pointing back to the hosting service, which stinks to high heaven for an alleged "pro-consumer" group. If they were legit, why wouldn't they want anyone to know who's behind the website?

For anybody who may be wondering, Net Neutrality is a GOOD thing. It means keeping the internet the way it is instead of letting telcos dole out bandwidth to the highest bidders (corporations) and throttling bandwidth to smaller sites that can't afford to pay as much. i.e. it's a way of controlling information flow, and it will effect all of us if it passes. We should be urging our reps to vote YES on Net Neutrality.

And DO drop by TV 4 US and let them know just how you feel about their lies.

:evilgrin:
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:59 AM
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1. some interesting clicking
I dropped by TV4US and looked at the organizations that support them. Interesting how they lined up these African American and Hispanic organizations. They just feel "false," though, and I'll bet these are front organizations.

Note how on the The Latino Coalition, there are two press releases right next to each other: one says Kerry favored in election and the other says Latinos support bush.




Cher


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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 07:16 AM
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11. The Latino Coalition is a conservative shell game
I'm not sure it really exists as a "real" organization, or if it has real members. What seems clear is that they conveniently show up in support of Bush an Republican initiatives aimed to actually hurt Latinos.

It seems all part of that shell game that Republicans play so well, setting up false minority organizations that mysteriously appear to support all those anti-minority Republican laws.

Hmmmmm....
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:00 AM
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2. Thanks for posting...
and kick!
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:06 AM
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3. I feel like such an OG. Nuetrality is what enabled the Net to
be what it is.

Not all of us just logged on (=just fell off the turnip truck)
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:27 AM
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4. Save The Internet - video

http://www.chomskytorrents.org/TorrentDetails.php?TorrentID=1317

===

How to deal with torrent files
To download these videos you'll need a bittorrent client such as Azerus (works on windows and mac) or micro torrent. Also see www.bittorrent.org .
http://azureus.sourceforge.net
http://www.utorrent.com
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:45 AM
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5. I got one of their canned calls today
A female taped voice telling me to press one if I was interested in joining their campaign to give better service for a lower cost.

They didn't say they were TV4US though. They said something like technology for all, or some other nonsence.



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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:20 AM
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6. This Is Odd...
Domain Name: WEWANTCHOICE.COM
Registrar: SCHLUND+PARTNER AG
Whois Server: whois.schlund.info
Referral URL: http://registrar.schlund.info
Name Server: NS2.BLUESTATEDIGITAL.COM
Name Server: NS1.BLUESTATEDIGITAL.COM
Status: ACTIVE
Updated Date: 17-feb-2006
Creation Date: 10-feb-2006
Expiration Date: 10-feb-2007

So I went to whois.schlund.info to look up wewantchoice.com and got this result:

Registrant

First name: Oneandone
Last name: Private Registration
Organisation: 1&1 Internet, Inc. - http://1and1.com/contact
Street: 701 Lee Road, Suite 300 ATTN: wewantchoice.com
City: 19087 Chesterbrook
Country code: US
Telephone: +1.8772064254
Telefax:
E-Mail: proxy165776@1and1-private-registration.com
Administrative Contact

First name: Oneandone
Last name: Private Registration
Organisation: 1&1 Internet, Inc. - http://1and1.com/contact
Street: 701 Lee Road, Suite 300 ATTN: wewantchoice.com
City: 19087 Chesterbrook
Country code: US
Telephone: +1.8772064254
Telefax:
E-Mail: proxy165776@1and1-private-registration.com
Technical Contact

First name: Oneandone
Last name: Private Registration
Organisation: 1&1 Internet, Inc. - http://1and1.com/contact
Street: 701 Lee Road, Suite 300 ATTN: wewantchoice.com
City: 19087 Chesterbrook
Country code: US
Telephone: +1.8772064254
Telefax:
E-Mail: proxy165776@1and1-private-registration.com

This link http://1and1.com/contact
takes you to a form that lets you send a message to the owner of the domain. It works even if you don't fill in a valid email address.

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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 05:46 AM
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8. Good work! Kick! n/t
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 06:29 AM
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9. Swift boating the net
So Rover apparently has two nicknames - Turdblossom and Oneandone.

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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:56 PM
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15. 1&1 is the host I use that was recommended by other DUers. They're very...
good (I thought "blue"), inexpensive, super easy to use to set up a website and one of the free benefits is free private urls like this one has.

I'm not on my own computer right now so I can't stay on long enoughh to check a few things but with the spelling different is the ISP hosting this shame group really the same as the one I use or a "mimic"?
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 07:20 AM
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12. Looks like a swiftboat empty shell company
meant to be used for swiftboating type of operations, and yet keep a distance from the real culprit. It allows them to use plausible deniability. It wasn't AT&T, it was 1and1! See!
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:59 PM
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16. 1and1.com offers low cost hosting, easy to set up sites & FREE "private".
I use them and found them through a few other DUers.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 04:59 AM
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7. Kick
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Last Stand Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 06:53 AM
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10. k/r
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jasmeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 07:53 AM
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13. I got an email like this a while back-it almost fooled me!! Luckily
I had actually heard of net neutrality!
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 10:43 AM
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14. Kicked and Recommended
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:10 PM
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17. Deceptive advertising
Is what they are doing legal? If they are leading you to believe that they are someone that they are not, doesn't that break any FCC regulations?


:grr:
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