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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:23 PM
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If Republicans want everyone to speak proper English...
Here's my pet peeve of the day - the apparent inability of many English-speakers to insert the word allowed into certain sentences. Observe the following sentence:

There is no smoking in this building.

Grammatically, this sentence is way too ambiguous and functionally meaningless. Prima facie, it is a simple declaration that the act of smoking is not currently taking place in the building, but conveys no message that smoking is, in fact, forbidding within said structure. This could be remedied by very simply adding another word:

There is no smoking allowed in this building.

See how easy that was? Now you have a simple declaration that informs the recipient that not only is there no smoking in the building, but any attempt to smoke in the building will not be tolerated. And you can apply that same technique to so many other sentences: "There's no touching the topless dancers" quickly becomes "There's no touching the topless dancers allowed", for example.

And yet, so many English-speakers are either too tired, too hassled, or to unwilling to go the extra mile to save their beloved tongue. Thus, when immigrants come to America and try to make sense of our language, this little barrier is just one of many that they'll have to deal with.

But not from me, though. I'm not afraid of the word allowed. Allowed, allowed, allowed. Nyah.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:26 PM
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1. If they want everyone to speak English, they need to start with the
idiot at the top: bu$h.
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:26 PM
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2. Why do you hate "permitted?"
Fascist.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:31 PM
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3. Pshaw
You want to use permitted instead of allowed, have at it. But at least you're on the right track.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:43 PM
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9. What about "prohibited"?
I bet those pesky "12 items or less" signs at the grocery store drive you to distraction:)
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:45 PM
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10. Oh, I HATE that! It's "Fewer," dammit!
I often go out of my way to patronize the one grocery anywhere near me that has "fewer" on its express lane signs.

I think I might need help. :cry:
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 12:02 PM
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20. I'm with you on that
:kick:
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:32 PM
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4. Why not Smoking Not Allowed.
What's with the "There is no":evilgrin:
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:36 PM
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5. Another good idea!
DUers know how to bang the rocks together, I tell you what.
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:42 PM
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8. LOL "DUers know how to bang the rocks together."
I've never heard that expression. :rofl:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:38 PM
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6. Better to say "Smoking Is Prohibited In This Building"
Reliance on "permit" or "permission" presumes the absence of a liberty - which requires no permit. The same thing applies in a more general sense to the connotation of "allow" - a presumption that such a prerequisite exists. To baldly state that it's prohibited or forbidden is much more to the point.

Rauchen Veboten - Defense de Fumar - Smoking Prohibited.

It's the new Age of Prohibition, after all. :shrug:

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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:39 PM
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7. BOOM!
A veritable literary nuclear warhead. Resistance is futile.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:53 PM
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12. Well, the passive voice betrays a societal cowardice, too.
Edited on Fri Jun-02-06 01:57 PM by TahitiNut
Assertive, honest, responsible people use active voice. Auditors (like I was once) use passive voice far too often in order to avoid conflict and ascription of responsibility in plain terms.

I detest the "Thank You For Not Smoking" signs. The slothful impersonal nature of a sign coupled with a presumptive (and completely insincere) use of "thank you" is, to me, a kind of obscenity. Better to use the authoritarian "Don't Smoke In This Building" (with a signature) or "I Forbid Smoking In My Home" (with the owner's signature) than hide behind the hypocrisy of a faux appreciation.

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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:48 PM
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11. I always took it to be 'there is to be no smoking in this building'.
Otherwise, just a take-off on 'No Smoking'.

Eh. Usus. It's what makes "How are you?" a meaningless utterance, if construed too narrowly.

Some errors are just that; some reflect changing norms; others, on-going changes in the grammar. This one is just a bit telegraphic.

Chill.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:53 PM
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13. The word "Hopefully" used at the beginning of sentence is
Edited on Fri Jun-02-06 01:54 PM by coalition_unwilling
like fingernails dragging down a chalkboard for me.

Consider the following sentence that might be found in a DU post:

"Hopefully we'll be out of Iraq by the end of 2006."

From a strictly grammatical point of view, the speaker is stating that we will be out of Iraq in a hopeful manner by the end of 2006. ('Hopefully' functions here as an adverb modifying the conjugated form of 'to be.')

What the speaker means is that he or she hopes we will be out of Iraq. How much more musical it would sound were the speaker simply to say:

"I hope we'll be out of Iraq by the end of 2006."
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:58 PM
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14. "Drive Careful"
Edited on Fri Jun-02-06 02:00 PM by TahitiNut
I've personally never seen that brand. :dunce:


Counterperson: "Can I help you?"
Me: "Well, if you can't then your employer should know."


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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:04 PM
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15. "Less Calories, tastes great" -- Ugh, that one has also always
annoyed me.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:13 PM
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16. Well, they didn't want to say "fewer" in our consumer economy.
Furthermore, would people comprehend "less energy"?? :silly:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:16 PM
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17. No se puede fumar!
:rofl:
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 11:51 AM
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18. "may I help who's (or maybe the person really means "whose") next
is a "fingernails on chalkboard" irritant to me. as curt as it sounds, "next, please" would be less irritating.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 11:56 AM
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19. Here's my suggestion:
Suitable even for those who were too lazy to read the August 6, 2001 PBD.

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