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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:24 PM
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NEW 06/02/06 LIBBY FILINGS - 3 PDF's total
Here are the new filings from today - who knows if more will be filed later today and tonight.

I have not read them yet so any summary would be welcomed.

As always these will be in the Research Forum here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x3589

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06/02/2006 Motion to Compel Order - 8 pages

06/02/2006 Order - 1 page

06/02/2006 Protective Order - 2 pages
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:28 PM
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1. thanks!
You are pretty quick!
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:28 PM
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2. thanks for the update!
reco'd
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:29 PM
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3. Thanks...
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:35 PM
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4. In case your interested in the view from the dark side...
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:40 PM
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7. Nice find.
Poor Byron York! His hero is going to be convicted!
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:04 PM
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18. thanks kpete, ---- Thank you to EVERYONE who put forth
thoughts and summary notes on this matter - we have quite a team here. I like what I am seeing downthread, and I know we ALL can not wait for Waterman's take on this. ;)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:36 PM
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5. Thank you.
I've looked through them as they were printed. They are, so far, all good news for our side. I'll re-read them, and hope to have more to say about them later today.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:51 PM
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8. I'm looking forward to it.
:thumbsup:

and

:you rock: H2O Man
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 06:28 PM
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38. Look forward to it
thanks, as always for your interpetation....
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:40 PM
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6. The most interesting doc. is the Protective Order.
(1) The government shall provide to the defense by June 9, 2006, the proposed
substitution recounting Valerie Plame Wilson’s employment history with the
Central Intelligence Agency from January 1, 2002, and thereafter.
(2) The government shall provide to the defense by June 9, 2006, the proposed
substitution discussing potential damage (if any) caused by the alleged disclosure
of Valerie Plame Wilson’s affiliation with the Central Intelligence Agency.
(3) The government shall, as requested, provide to the defense by June 9, 2006, the
true names of three individuals whose identities were redacted from classified
documents previously made available to the defense, and shall identify for the
defense the specific documents and locations within those documents where those
names should be inserted.


The second doc is just an order for all parties to appear in court on June 12, 2006 at 1:30PM to issue the current status of the case.

The first Doc denies Libby of his demand for additional info.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:01 PM
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15. I find this to be particularly significant
We may find out in a week what exactly what Valerie Plame was working on, and how the outing impacted the Agency.

That'll clear up a lot of questions about Brewster Jennings and whether she really was focused on Iran WMDs. I would expect much of this filing is likely to be classified, though. Damn.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:48 PM
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24. Does this mean they're going after the outing, besides the lying later?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 04:05 PM
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29. Not necessarily. That's where the defense is going.
Libby's lawyers are apparently trying to prove that Scooter was just carrying out orders to lie about the outing. More mitigating than exculpatory, really.

Fitz has indicated that in his prosecution of Libby, he's prosecuting the lies.

Evidence of the underlying crime seems to be pretty solid, however, if and when he goes after the others. Wait and see.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 05:38 PM
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34. She was working the whole middle east
and tho I'm sure Iran was included there are many countries, Including SAUDI ARABIA, and their connections to the Bush Family, which could have been potentially Very Damaging, besides the obvious WMD -- Larry Johnson basically alluded to this in the Waxman hearings, watched it about 100 times as I edited my film..

here's the interesting part for anyone who watched the Larry Johnson scene when he's talking about WHAT Plame's job was.. at that VERY MOMENT there was a ruckus at the back of the hearing room.. someone had CALLED IN A BOMB THREAT in a nearby building during that hearing, the coincidence was too surreal, and the timing pretty incfedible..
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:49 PM
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25. does "shall provide to the defense" mean
.. "shall releaese to the public"?

Meaning, will it appear a public filing such as these??

Who are the "3 individuals"?

Does "potential damage" of Plame's employment mean an Actual damage assessment made by the CIA, or a "hypothetical" estimate?

Will this all come about 2 days after we nuke Iran?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 04:05 PM
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28. No, I don't think so. Release to Libby's lawyers means only that.
As much as we all would love to find out the details, it won't necessarily happen...at least no right now.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:54 PM
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26. The footnote to this order was interesting as well...
Edited on Fri Jun-02-06 03:56 PM by Spazito
"Because the government is voluntarily providing
documents responsive to these two requests through its Section 4 CIPA filing, the Court need not determine whether
their production is compelled by either Rule 16 or Brady. Accordingly, the Court concludes that these requests have
now been satisfied and the unresolved portions of the defendant’s motion to compel are now moot."

Edited to add my thanks, as always, to STB for the quick work in getting these posted!

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 06:20 PM
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35. the footnotes
are fascinating.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:55 PM
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9. Let's start w/ the Order.
Judge sets a claendar hearing for 6/12 to discuss, among other things, whether the Gov't will assert Executive Priviledge. Not likely, as the case is being prosecuted by the Gov't. Also to be discussed is whether there are going to be further motions for discovery.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:55 PM
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10. Thanks as always, stb!
It's looing like a good Friday night! :hi:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:05 PM
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19. Second that! eom
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:56 PM
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11. Thanks! Team Libby is diving like a feather and swimming like a rock.
Team Libby wants badly to fight the charges on grounds that have no bearing on whether he lied and his motive for lying. It is almost as if they are trying to dare Fitzgerald to bring a second crop of charges before he goes on trial for the perjury and other felony acts. Team Libby very badly wants a preview of Fitzgerald's hand and the judge keeps telling them no and they keep re-plowing the same ground.

Team Libby: Catch a clue and defend on what you are charged with not what you wished you were charged with...But hey, it's still worth watching Scooter turn slowly on the fiery Fitzgerald BBQ spit.

:popcorn:
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:27 PM
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21. Well, for legal noddies like me - like most of us, I dare say -
reading the comments of you legal mavens is ... I don't know how to describe this... it's like reading a thriller by someone like John Grisham, with a really wily and serpentine legal mind; by the grace of God, however, on the side of truth and right.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:56 PM
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12. First document: My uneducated take
motion to compel

judge:

- doesn't want the case to try the reasoning for the war. it's all about the perjury and obstruction

- however, wilson's op-ed and wife are elements of the case and must be discussed

- what libby (and others) did and did not know about plame's status will be discussed

- Timmy Judy and Matt!

- if libby wants to prove he was only trying to refute wilson in his duties as a member of the administration, then he is welcome to provide admin evidence to support his claim

- as for presidential and nsa documents about wilson, plame, the trip and plame's cia job, SOL, scooter

- other govt. folk's knowledge of plame is immaterial for the defense

- plame's covert status is immaterial to libby's case. his case is about perjury and obstruction of justice

ps: what does in camera mean?
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:59 PM
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13. It means
In the Judge's chambers.

p.s. "...SOL, Scooter." :rofl:
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:00 PM
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privately in judge's chamber...
The other side is not privy to what happens in camera.:)
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:00 PM
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14. Summary of Latest Libby Docs:
Edited on Fri Jun-02-06 03:01 PM by berni_mccoy
Libby's defense LOSES 2 counts and is told that the clock is ticking

Motion to Compel Order: DEFENSE THIRD MOTION TO COMPEL IS DENIED (Court's words: "defendant’s motion to compel is largely without merit")

Order: STATUS MEETING FOR DISCOVERY PROCESS SET FOR JUNE 12, 2006 (tick, tock...)

Protective Order: FITZGERALD'S MOTION TO KEEP CERTAIN CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS FROM DEFENSE IS GRANTED (ouch, how much are you paying your lawyers Libby?)


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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:04 PM
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17. noice
:)
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:03 PM
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16. All good for Fitz, imho. It still looks like Libby's a stalking horse for
... for Rove/Cheney/Smirk. The Libby "defense team" is spending a lot of time and energy attempting to gain a greater look at Fitzgerald's evidence being used in the ongoing investigation. I sure don't think this is as much for Libby's direct benefit as it is to help other members of this cabal to clean up their cover stories and build more bullet-proof lies.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:28 PM
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22. Maybe, but Libby's lawyers are just throwing stuff against the wall
to see if something will stick. So far...nothing has.

Hay, for what they're charging, they have to do SOMETHING!!!!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:37 PM
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23. I give them far more credit for method than for madness.
Edited on Fri Jun-02-06 03:38 PM by TahitiNut
Stupid they ain't.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 04:09 PM
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30. Hmmm, I'm not sure exactly what you meant by that, but they are
obligated to protect THEIR CLIENT FIRST!
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 07:49 PM
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46. I don't know anything about law, or trials, but my guts say otherwise.
Edited on Sat Jun-03-06 07:50 PM by jazzjunkysue
It seems to me that dredging up Cheney and B***'s actions and evidence thereof is not good for the B*** admin, and he's trying to place blame on them.

According to H20 man, Libby IS trying to redirect the discussion to the validity of the war justification. That's not burying or exhonorating, it's deflecting blame.

I think these rats will all sell each other out at the first threat of jail time.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:25 PM
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20. from the AP
Libby to get limited classified info By TONI LOCY, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - A former White House aide facing perjury charges will get only a prosecutor's summary of classified documents assessing the damage to national security from the leak of a CIA officer's identity, a federal judge ruled Friday.


U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton also said lawyers for I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby must settle for a prosecutor's version of information contained in secret government documents that describe CIA officer Valerie Plame's employment history.

Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, is charged with perjury and obstruction of justice for lying to the FBI and a federal grand jury about how he learned about Plame's CIA status and what he subsequently told reporters about her. His trial is scheduled for January.

Walton said Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald convinced him that providing Libby's lawyers with classified documents describing the consequences, if any, of Plame's outing and her CIA employment history "could cause serious if not grave damage to the national security of the United States."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060602/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cia_leak
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 04:00 PM
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27. From Salon
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 04:42 PM
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31. The protective order is interesting. Libby is still trying to get top
secret docs on Plame's status, on the Plame outing and the damage it caused. The judge largely denies the motion, and says the following...

"...the Court finds that the documents and information identified in the government’s Section 4 CIPA filing are extremely sensitive and their disclosure could cause serious if not grave damage to the national security of the United States."

Here is what the judge permitted...

ORDERED that the government may withhold from the defendant the specific documents and information which are the basis of this motion subject to the following limitations:

(1) The government shall provide to the defense by June 9, 2006, the proposed substitution recounting Valerie Plame Wilson’s employment history with the Central Intelligence Agency from January 1, 2002, and thereafter.

(2) The government shall provide to the defense by June 9, 2006, the proposed substitution discussing potential damage (if any) caused by the alleged disclosure of Valerie Plame Wilson’s affiliation with the Central Intelligence Agency.

(3) The government shall, as requested, provide to the defense by June 9, 2006, the true names of three individuals whose identities were redacted from classified documents previously made available to the defense, and shall identify for the defense the specific documents and locations within those documents where those names should be inserted.

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Intriguing--for those of looking for the deeper motives behind the Bushites' destruction of this CIA counter-proliferation network.

What in these docs--in so far as they are described above (re what Libby may have)--could be "extremely sensitive," and could cause "serious if not grave damage to the national security of the United States"?

If nothing else, this language indicates the gravity of the Bush junta's assault on this counter-proliferation network. In truth, as to judging the Bush junta, politically and patriotically, it doesn't matter what the damage was (people killed, people running for cover, disruption of the network?); what matters is the junta's deliberate creation of endangerment of our covert agents/contacts. The violation of law becomes worse if agents were killed--and the momentum for charges of treason would also be greater. Libby's case, however, is limited to whether or not he lied about his conversations with reporters when he was helping to out Plame and the counter-proliferation network she headed.

WMD counter-proliferation, I should emphasize. WMD--knowledge of which, as they are moved illicitly around the world, is so important to our national security, according to the relentless "talking points" of the Bushites for 5 1/2 years now.

Those eyes and ears are now dead, or disabled--with the chances of getting reliable, honest information significantly reduced. Why would the Bush junta do something so counter-productive to our national security? Political revenge against Wilson for his op-ed piece just doesn't cut it, as a motive, or as the sole or primary motive. It's more likely that Cheney and Rumsfeld--who clearly and provably have acted to destroy any independent thinking and professionalism in the CIA and military intelligence agencies, and to draw all intelligence power into their own hands, to be able to "cherry pick" and shape intelligence to their uses (i.e., to lie, to make things up)--wanted this established network of independent information destroyed, and aimed at destroying it.

It may be that their use of Rove, and the concoction of a Rove-like political revenge story, was/is the cover up story for their targeting of this counter-proliferation network. (Joe Wilson mentions a Rove/Libby dustup about this--about Rove taking the blame--in his book.) We should watch out for this in discussions of how Rove and Libby fit into this picture. There are likely layers and layers of "cloak and dagger" under the visible, known facts.

In the face of what appears to be a wall of lies and obstruction by the White House, Fitzgerald was wise to limit the first indictment to perjury/obstruction, and to tenaciously stick to those charges, in spite of Libby's efforts to politicize the trial and make it about the Iraq war and policy. Fitzgerald may have had no choice but to do this. But I suspect otherwise. I suspect he is aiming higher, and that discussions of the Iraq war, and the lies the Bushites told, will be matter for a different indictment and trial--the indictments/trials of those who were giving the orders to the likes of Libby and Rove. There is a believable political scenario of the "aspens" (powerful, behind the scenes Republicans) throwing Cheney out (or seeming to). If/when that happens, to me the critical development will be whether or not Rumsfeld goes, too. I think he is the chief mastermind of whatever they were up to, in the mostly unseeable "cloak and dagger" realm. He has not been mentioned much in connection with this crime (or crimes); all the more reason to think that Cheney will be the sacrifice. Also, Rumsfeld may be more essential than Cheney to what may have been the point of it all--invading/bombing Iran.

(For instance: Plausible scenario--they had a phony WMD "find" planned for Iraq, for after the invasion, with tracks to Iran, so that they could justify just marching right on to Iran, at that time; the Brewster-Jennings counter-proliferation network, doing its job, countered the illicit movement of those to-be-planted WMD, thus greatly delaying the invasion of Iran, until the honest counter-proliferators could removed--via the Plame and BJ outings by Novak; and it has been further delayed by the deteriorating situation in Iraq, as well as at home. If true, then the masterminds of BushWorld would have been in a white heat of rage at our honest counter-proliferators, back in July 2003; how dare they do their jobs? The illicit WMD may not have had Pentagon or White House fingerprints on them; it would be automatic on the part of honest counter-proliferators to prevent such movements. The David Kelly part of this scenario is that Kelly found out WHO was really behind moving these WMD, and was killed or driven to suicide, three days after Plame was outed, because of what he knew; his office and computers were then searched, and, four days later, on July 22, the entire Brewster-Jennings network was ADDITIONALLY outed, compounding the Bushites' crime manyfold.) (Kelly was the Brits' chief WMD expert--and BBC whistleblower--whose story parallels the Plame/Wilson story, all in the same two-week period in July 2003.)

But back to Libby and his lying and obstruction--I'm going to look at the other documents...
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 11:49 PM
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42. I am totally with you....
I have never bought the "revenge" story, just a cover. It was all about disabling BJ, their network, and the tracking of WMDs.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 04:44 PM
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32. Libby gets very little
Judge has clipped his wings severely

Just my take...

with a peanut butter sandwich
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 05:30 PM
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33. Takebackthemedia.com
is proud to do their part to host these documents so that everyone can see them, I guess my wife made sure that stopthebleeding could upload to our server - glad to be of service, and appreciate stopthebleeding taking the time to get them uploaded..

Hope it helps with so many fine minds examining it for goodies and sharing with us all :)

(tho the link says tbtmradio, it's us - we're looking into creating some kind of interface for those pages at some point)
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 08:48 PM
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41. Yes many thanks to Takebackthemedia.com
along with the others that are letting me upload these to their servers

Here are the web addresses for the sites that fellow DU'ers are allowing the files to be uploaded and stored. Without them none of this would be possible.

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Many thanks again everyone - these are historic times:grouphug:

all of this can be found here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x3589
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 06:21 PM
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36. Denial of the Motion to compel: The judge is severely curtailing Libby's
fishing expedition (looking for what, I'm not sure--probably seeds of the cover story planted around town).

The judge neatly sums up the case:

"...it is helpful to set forth what this case is and is not about, as this reality defines the scope of the discovery the defendant is entitled to receive. On October 28, 2005, the defendant was charged in a five-count indictment (including)...

obstruction of justice in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1503 (2000), two counts of false statements in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1001(a)(2) (2000), and two counts of perjury in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1623 (2000). ....All of these charges arise from a criminal investigation into the possible unauthorized disclosure of classified information about Valerie Plame Wilson’s affiliation with the Central Intelligence Agency (“CIA”) to several journalists. ....And specifically, the charges against the defendant are predicated upon statements that he allegedly made to Special Agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”) in October and November, 2003, id. at 9, ¶ 26, and testimony he provided to a grand jury in March 2004, id. at 11, ¶ 30. The allegedly false statements related to conversations the defendant had with news reporters Tim Russert, Judith Miller, and Matthew Cooper in June and July 2003.

(He then goes on to say that, while these purportedly false statements occurred in the context of Wilson's argument with the WH over Iraq war/WMD, this has "only peripheral pertinence to this case." Same for the outing of Plame--the meat of the Fitzgerald investigation. In order words, he denies all docs to Libby that will lead to the trial being a he said/she said on the war.)

I found this part interesting...

(Page 6) "Rather, the only documents that would be material to the preparation of the defense are those that were reviewed by either the defendant or potential witnesses. See United States v. George, 786 F. Supp. 56, 64 (D.D.C. 1992) (“It is immaterial what Congress knew unless the defendant was aware of their knowledge.”). Thus, for example, the fact that other governmental officials may have known before July 14, 2003, that Ms. Wilson worked for the CIA is completely immaterial unless that information was shared with either the defendant, Miller, Russert, or Cooper. Moreover, the only use that could be made with the vast majority of the requested documents that fall within the seven categories would be to challenge the accuracy of Ambassador Wilson’s comments about the validity of President Bush’s statement about Saddam Hussein and Niger in his January 28, 2003 State of the Union address. And, as previously discussed, documents and information which may have bearing on the accuracy or inaccuracy of the President’s statement on that topic, why the United States invaded Iraq, and the circumstances surrounding Ambassador Wilson’s trip to Niger and his reported findings are wholly immaterial to this case."

-----

"...the fact that other governmental officials may have known before July 14, 2003, that Ms. Wilson worked for the CIA...."

So, Fitzgerald has lots of stuff on WHO KNEW and WHEN, that he is withholding--that is not pertinent to Libby's lies/obstruction regarding what Libby said to the three reporters. Similarly, Fitzgerald has a whole lot of material on the argument between Wilson and the WH, and re the Niger trip. None of it relevant here. What WOULD it be relevant to, except to the TRUE REASONS for the outing of Plame and Brewster-Jennings? Was this a policy argument that got way, way out of control (to the point of getting our agents/contacts killed or putting them in danger)? Or was it something else?

I don't want to minimize committing such acts out of motives of political punishment or to silence dissent. That's bad enough--and would indicate an unbelievable recklessness of the Bushites and chaos in their "command" structure. (How could such a thing NOT have been stopped before it reached the SECOND outing, that of the Brewster-Jennings network?) But I smell something far worse--that the WH/Pentagon deliberately outed this network, KNOWING that it could get people killed, and FULLY AWARE of its value for honest intelligence.

I sense somebody moving these chess pieces--Rumsfeld, I suspect--orchestrating different parts of it, so that one set of people thinks they're just doing a Rovian political number on Wilson, not too important to intelligence (Plame about to retire, or whatever), and not a crime; some of these (Rove?) are set up as the first line to take the fall, if necessary--they're told it's all been "authorized", legal butts covered, or it's not a crime. Others are deeper in--setting up the set ups (Libby?), with more knowledge of the criminal aspect, and the target (Plame/BJ network); Libby maybe arranges for Cheney to scribble the outline of the Wilson/WH policy difference, on the newspaper clipping of Wilson's article, to make that line seem credible, if necessary. (If this multiple lines of defense, multiple coverup tales is true, then THAT is what Libby has been fishing for--the various coverup narratives and "evidence" that supports them.) Libby is meanwhile planting seeds all over town, that "everybody knew" Plame was CIA.

Rumsfeld, lurking in the Pentagon, probably thought the whole thing up from Day One, back in 2001 and the Rome meeting (where the Niger forgeries were likely concocted)--and considered himself a great genius--and got Cheney involved for personal reasons (illicit arms dealings; war profiteering); Cheney willing to say anything, authorize anything, write anything, sign anything, backdated or whatever, to help remove any honest trackers of his worldly activities. But the "I am the Dark Master of the Universe" smell to this crime or crimes suits Rumsfeld most of all. I also wonder how they've used spying, torture and rendition for this particular crime and its true ends. Are some of these anonymously tortured prisoners our former covert counter-proliferation agents or contacts, who got ferreted out by the Novak outings, and are now in a dungeon somewhere in eastern Europe, or dead. One shudders to think. The sources of two reports in the Islamic press of foiled US efforts to plant WMD in Iraq dried up several years ago; there were no follow-up reports. Were they silenced?

The dry legalisms of the case mask a harrowing tale, I think--howlings from Hell, a Pandora's Box of horrors. Given what we know NOW about Bush and his junta's deep attachment to torture--their hanging onto to that dreadful and illegal power with tooth and claw--and all the other revelations about them (pervasive spying--thus, blackmail capability, and also tracking ability for whomever they consider to be "enemies"; and the evidence of and persistent rumors about punitive slayings in Iraq, by contractors and official military), the Plame/BJ outings, which occurred during what may have been the Bushites' worst crimes and worst abuses of power, back in 2003, inevitably take on that coloration--the coloration of a House of Horrors--and seem very related to it. And I wonder about this mass of material that Fitzgerald is withholding, as he focuses his laser-like prosecution on Libby's lies and obstruction. In his press conference on the Libby indictment, Fitzgerald stated that he wants to know the REASONS for the Plame outing--because it was the REASONS for it that are the "grave matter of national security" with which he is dealing. I'm sure he meant the REAL reasons.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 06:27 PM
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37. What seems clear
is that Judge Walton knows. He knows what the deal is. And he is intent on keeping the trial on track. He will make sure Scooter gets a fair trial, and has all of his rights recognized.

But he knows what happened, and why.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 07:06 PM
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40. Please elaborate...Exactly what do you think the judge knows?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 07:51 AM
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45. I tried to
expand on this topic on my newest essay "Scooter Libby & The Barber of Seville."
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 11:59 PM
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43. OMG.... never though of this:
"I also wonder how they've used spying, torture and rendition for this particular crime and its true ends. Are some of these anonymously tortured prisoners our former covert counter-proliferation agents or contacts, who got ferreted out by the Novak outings, and are now in a dungeon somewhere in eastern Europe, or dead."

Very disturbing scenario, but believable.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 07:05 PM
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39. Thank you!
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 05:17 AM
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44. Very, very enlightening, all of you
:kick:

Hekate

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