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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:12 PM
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Poll question: Did RFK jr.'s Rolling Stone article bum you out?
I feel like it is bedtime for Democracy. I feel defeated by Bush and the Dems (well, not the progressive and black caucus, :yourock: ). Anyone still have hope? Holla!
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:15 PM
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1. No. It did not bum me out. It has been published at just the right time
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:17 PM
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2. The fact that it was published gives me hope
:)
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:19 PM
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5. Yep. Agreed. It's a dose of truth.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 04:21 PM
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19. Exactly how I feel.
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:18 PM
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3. I cannot find the magazine ANYWHERE in this very red corner of Ohio
ANYWHERE

That, in itself, makes me smile.

I asked at the local B&N if they were sold by the single, or if some idiot came in and bought them all up so no one would see...they said single purchases only!

I worked Election day in Franklin County, Ohio as well as Recount in Fairfield County....this article only reinforced every thing I saw, and everything I wrote statements on.

For those of us who were boots on the ground in Ohio, this only confirms what we already knew.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:27 PM
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11. Rolling Stone should get some more issues out to your area, pronto!
Saturate with this gem!
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:19 PM
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4. If this were the Ukraine, people would be striking and protesting
Edited on Fri Jun-02-06 03:20 PM by Selatius
Ballot stuffing and outright corruption is the very reason the people in Ukraine and Georgia protested so bitterly.

The fact that nobody has really done anything significant to this date despite all the allegations and evidence uncovered PRIOR to this article shows how cynical and apathetic the body politic in America has become. Where are the protests and strikes?

You won't change your government with that attitude. Furthermore, such an attitude will lead to only one thing: Tyranny. If people are so willing to accept election fraud with little more than quiet grumbling, then in due time, they will be willing to accept an emperor at the head of an Imperial American Empire. This is how republics degenerate into dictatorships.
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dkos refugee Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:22 PM
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6. prior
prior to the article? hell I remember reading about a lot of fraud prior to the actual election. It was like living a sick twisted version of Final Destination...
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 05:12 PM
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20. Hi dkos refugee!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 06:29 PM
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21. welcome to DU!
peace and low stress!
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Master Mahon Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:23 PM
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7. Yes and No.
Most, if not all of the info is not new.
It won't gain any traction in the media.
It'll just give the media a new reason to bash the Kennedy's and
soon they'll be trying to decide who's more unpatriotic, Kennedy
or Gore!
Hate to sound like a bummer, but the media buried the truth about
2004 just like they did with 2000. Why should we expect anything to
change now?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:23 PM
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8. No. The concession bummed me out. That the truth is getting out
is a good thing. Now if only our candidates would jump on this rather than tending to the next "epection" - we may get somewhere.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:24 PM
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9. How about both?
I feel bummed by the sheer helplessness engendered by all the frustrated effort at revealing the fraud and convincing others of the seriousness, as well as that of almost complete failure to get the megaphone of the media focused on the problem.

I have countervailing ebullience at the prospect of Rolling Stone's ability to swing a pretty big stick in the publishing world and the fact that this article will be widely read, increasing the pressure on said media to quit ignoring it and pretending that anybody but bushnicks are somehow defective brained conspiracy unrealists.
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datadiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:25 PM
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10. No, and my reason is this
I was very glad to see the truth written out in such a thoughtful and straighforward way. The article will be read by millions and may make people want to take a second look at what really happened during the election. I think it can have very positive results. We all knew much of what he wrote but there may be people out there who haven't. This alone gives me hope. The more people know the more who will stand up a take action.
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:27 PM
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12. No. I have long been aware of these stories thanks to TIA and
others here on DU. Greg Palast, Mark Crispin Miller, Cong. Conyers. This is not new information so I am not feeling newly sad. I felt extremely sad when it was happening and directly after and that no msm was covering it. To have it so well researched and written and published on a National level gives me hope that maybe just maybe something might be done about it. So no I have more hope today because of the article than I did in November 2004 for sure.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:32 PM
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13. Read all about it, here!
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

A taste:

But despite the media blackout, indications continued to emerge that something deeply troubling had taken place in 2004. Nearly half of the 6 million American voters living abroad(3) never received their ballots -- or received them too late to vote(4) -- after the Pentagon unaccountably shut down a state-of-the-art Web site used to file overseas registrations.(5) A consulting firm called Sproul & Associates, which was hired by the Republican National Committee to register voters in six battleground states,(6) was discovered shredding Democratic registrations.(7) In New Mexico, which was decided by 5,988 votes,(8) malfunctioning machines mysteriously failed to properly register a presidential vote on more than 20,000 ballots.(9) Nationwide, according to the federal commission charged with implementing election reforms, as many as 1 million ballots were spoiled by faulty voting equipment -- roughly one for every 100 cast.(10)

The reports were especially disturbing in Ohio, the critical battleground state that clinched Bush's victory in the electoral college. Officials there purged tens of thousands of eligible voters from the rolls, neglected to process registration cards generated by Democratic voter drives, shortchanged Democratic precincts when they allocated voting machines and illegally derailed a recount that could have given Kerry the presidency. A precinct in an evangelical church in Miami County recorded an impossibly high turnout of ninety-eight percent, while a polling place in inner-city Cleveland recorded an equally impossible turnout of only seven percent. In Warren County, GOP election officials even invented a nonexistent terrorist threat to bar the media from monitoring the official vote count.(11)

Any election, of course, will have anomalies. America's voting system is a messy patchwork of polling rules run mostly by county and city officials. ''We didn't have one election for president in 2004,'' says Robert Pastor, who directs the Center for Democracy and Election Management at American University. ''We didn't have fifty elections. We actually had 13,000 elections run by 13,000 independent, quasi-sovereign counties and municipalities.''

But what is most anomalous about the irregularities in 2004 was their decidedly partisan bent: Almost without exception they hurt John Kerry and benefited George Bush. After carefully examining the evidence, I've become convinced that the president's party mounted a massive, coordinated campaign to subvert the will of the people in 2004. Across the country, Republican election officials and party stalwarts employed a wide range of illegal and unethical tactics to fix the election. A review of the available data reveals that in Ohio alone, at least 357,000 voters, the overwhelming majority of them Democratic, were prevented from casting ballots or did not have their votes counted in 2004(12) -- more than enough to shift the results of an election decided by 118,601 votes.(13) (See Ohio's Missing Votes) In what may be the single most astounding fact from the election, one in every four Ohio citizens who registered to vote in 2004 showed up at the polls only to discover that they were not listed on the rolls, thanks to GOP efforts to stem the unprecedented flood of Democrats eager to cast ballots.(14) And that doesn?t even take into account the troubling evidence of outright fraud, which indicates that upwards of 80,000 votes for Kerry were counted instead for Bush. That alone is a swing of more than 160,000 votes -- enough to have put John Kerry in the White House.(15)


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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:37 PM
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14. There's not really much in there I didn't already know
or have very good reason to suspect.

Unfortunately, I also recognize that the Dems aren't prepared to do what's necessary to deal with the situation in many precincts around the country- and more than they were willing to do the responsible thing with HAVA.

They helped to dig their own political graves- despite having the MIT report before DRE's proliferated. As with so many other issues, they had every reason to know better. Regrettable, yes- but hard to feel sorry for a party (or a people) who were willing to give away accountability in their democracy without a critical thought.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 04:09 PM
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15. Not at all. Dysfunctional families are terrified to admit their truths -
when they do it usually isn't nearly as bad as they think it will be and there is always relief at no longer having to keep the secrets and there is a chance things will get better.

No it did not bum me out - I had two good conversations today with people at the stores where I tried to find it - it should be in tomorrow...
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 04:10 PM
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16. I'm glad it was published by a major magazine and written by RFK Jr.
It'll be hard to ignore that.

Hope Mr. Kennedy's got his aspestos breeches on.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 04:20 PM
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17. If anything I was psyched because it lends credence to the possibility
of election theft. If people start to take it seriously, we might have a chance to find out what happened or at least make future elections fair and transparent.
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PWRinNY Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 04:20 PM
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18. Yes and no
Yes, because my heart broke all over again. Think about what people have died for in forging this nation, my own ancestors being some of them. Our rights. The right to vote. The right to choose the direction our country goes. It's disgustingly sad and enraging to know that this happened. Not just that election mistakes were made, but that the election was so blatantly stolen, that our own countrymen did this to us and went to such great extremes to do it and then try to cover it up. These are our own people - Americans - who did this to us, and to themselves. All for what? Tax breaks that didn't even benefit most of them? IMO they did it for the one reason that's inexcusable: they could get away with this criminal act. These bastards stole not only the election, but our very right to choose our leaders, the most basic of our American rights. Our votes. And they got away with it. For now. In my opinion, what they did is no less than treason. So, yes, reading that article did bum me out.

But the article also made me feel better. In a way, it seemed to begin the healing of a wound that's been raw all this time. Simply BECAUSE it was written. Because now, others will have to take notice. Media attention. Negative or positive, it will get attention. And because of the foul mood of the People, there's no time like the present for them to WAKE UP, open their eyes, and DEMAND accountability. So we can all heal.
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