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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:24 PM
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How did I miss this..........Robot warriors?
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The US military is planning to deploy robots armed with machine-guns to wage war against insurgents in Iraq.
Eighteen of the 1m-high robots, equipped with cameras and operated by remote control, are going to Iraq this spring, the Associated Press reports
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4199935.stm
http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=657
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:28 PM
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1. great.. massively expensive thingies
that can be disabled by magnets..
(well, at least they don't bleed)

It is a creepy thing designed to play into our video-game view of murder and mayhem.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:31 PM
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2. Isaac Asimov on robots.....
Edited on Fri Dec-30-05 08:38 PM by 4MoronicYears
I didn't know he was so big on robotics.... but now that I look.... wow.

14. I. Asimov, Robots and Empire, Grafton Books, London, 1985.

15. I. Asimov, "Risk" (originally published in 1955), reprinted in Reference 1. pp.122- 155.

16. I. Asimov, The Robots of Dawn, Grafton Books, London, 1983.

25. I. Asimov, "Little Lost Robot" (originally published in 1947). reprinted in Reference 3, pp. 110- 136.

26. I. Asimov, "Robot Dreams," first published in Reference 10, pp. 51- 58.

27. I. Asimov, "The Machine That Won the War" (originally published in 1961), reprinted in Reference 10. pp. 191- 197.

1. I. Asimov, The Rest of the Robots (a collection of short stories originally published between 1941 and 1957), Grafton Books, London, 1968.

2. N. Frude, The Robot Heritage, Century Publishing. London. 1984.

3. I. Asimov, I, Robot (a collection of short stories originally published between 1940 and 1950), Grafton Books, London, 1968.

Photo of what is going to be doing the shooting, terrorists beware.


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Tommy_J Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:39 PM
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3. Asimov would be disappointed
but not surprised by this. I think his famous laws of robotic were meant to avoid this application above all.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:42 PM
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4. That's what I was thinking..... here are the "laws" that should
Edited on Fri Dec-30-05 08:56 PM by 4MoronicYears
govern robots... guess the military boyz missed this page.

An Extended Set of the Laws of Robotics
The Meta-Law
A robot may not act unless its actions are subject to the Laws of Robotics

__________

Law Zero
A robot may not injure humanity, or, through inaction, allow humanity to come to harm

Law One
A robot may not injure a human being, or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm, unless this would violate a higher-order Law

Law Two
(a) A robot must obey orders given it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with a higher-order Law

(b) A robot must obey orders given it by superordinate robots, except where such orders would conflict with a higher-order Law

Law Three
(a) A robot must protect the existence of a superordinate robot as long as such protection does not conflict with a higher-order Law

(b) A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with a higher-order Law

Law Four
A robot must perform the duties for which it has been programmed, except where that would conflict with a higher-order law

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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 09:40 PM
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10. Robots can't be tried for crimes against humanity
This is so disturbing on so many levels
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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:46 PM
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5. PK Dick Knew
Dick wrote some scary stuff about robots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Variety
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:49 PM
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6. "Please put down your weapon. You have 20 seconds to comply".
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:50 PM
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7. More articles on the program-
A New Model Army Soldier Rolls Closer to the Battlefield
"They don't get hungry," said Gordon Johnson of the Joint Forces Command at the Pentagon. "They're not afraid. They don't forget their orders. They don't care if the guy next to them has just been shot. Will they do a better job than humans? Yes."
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The Pentagon predicts that robots will be a major fighting force in the American military in less than a decade, hunting and killing enemies in combat. Robots are a crucial part of the Army's effort to rebuild itself as a 21st-century fighting force, and a $127 billion project called Future Combat Systems is the biggest military contract in American history.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1241372&mesg_id=1241372

Drive to Build High-Tech Army Hits Cost Snags -NYT
The Army's plan to transform itself into a futuristic high-technology force has become so expensive that some of the military's strongest supporters in Congress are questioning the program's costs and complexity.
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"We're dealing today with a train wreck," Representative Curt Weldon, Republican of Pennsylvania and vice chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, said at a March 16 Congressional hearing on the cost and complexity of Future Combat Systems.

"We're left with impossible decisions," said Mr. Weldon, a strong supporter of Pentagon spending who was lamenting the trillion-dollar costs for the major weapons systems the Pentagon is building. One of those decisions, he warned, might cut back Future Combat.

The Army sees Future Combat, the most expensive weapons program it has ever undertaken, as a seamless web of 18 different sets of networked weapons and military robots. The program is at the heart of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's campaign to transform the Army into a faster, lighter force in which stripped-down tanks could be put on a transport plane and flown into battle, and information systems could protect soldiers of the future as heavy armor has protected them in the past.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1346486
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:52 PM
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8. VIDEO
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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:55 PM
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9. trivia
in the midst of a debacle.

1. Since this is not a war...it is regime change...they should have been prepared to go in and maintain stability. In effect, the country should have been under martial law for the first year.

2. Protective armor was not supplied to the troops...because Bushco thinks the losses so far are "acceptable".

3. Protective armor on Hummers came a year too late and still isn't sufficient.

4. Robo cops or robots or at least IED/roadside bomb proof Hummers IS THE VERY LEAST THIS SICK GOVERNMENT SHOULD HAVE PROVIDED OUR TROOPS.

Losses till this day...I think right now 851 for 2005 parallel Afganistan with the Soviets when they ditched the war because of "unacceptable attrition"

They lost 10,000 in about 10 years. We're right now on the same path.

Fuk the robots and technology.
The equation of loses is glaringly simple.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 09:52 PM
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11. Robots controlled by BushBots???
This+NSA spying...methinks that SkyNet is up and running ladies and gentlemen... run for the exits...

:yoiks:

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