Sam Sedar stomps off AA Majority Report mid-show after

Jenine brings up his Jewishness while they were arguing about a 911 responder clinic supported by scientology.

It happened about 11:20 Central time FR night.

I really wish they would get her off of the show.

She often says things (like wishing harm on her opponents) and carries on hysterically in a way that makes us look like the fanatic left-wing extremists they always accuse us of being. She was really rude and insulting to Sam.

The show would be much better without her.

She was right anyhow. She wasn't endorsing a religion, just trying to help the 1st responders who are having problems and the government sure isn't helping.

And there was no need to be that way to Sam.

He is far better at arguing our points than she is anyway.

I repect your opinion though.

saving our Democracy, no matter where it takes us.

Janeane cares about our future, despite the consequences.

That is the quality of a true leader. Janeane is fearless, or more accurately, she is willing to say what needs to be said despite the fear. Seder is not.

Sam Seder, as much as people value his likable demeanor, hasn't evolved as far.

Seder lacks the courage and insight Janeane has.

He's funny, but plays it too safe and therefore isn't initiating the much needed progress that is vital to the future of our nation. Playing it safe is easy. Taking risks requires true maturity and a willingness to confront the forces.

I like the somewhat dysfunctional 'team'.

only one, I would take Sam over Janeane. I hope they settle their differences.

--IMM

tolerates no bullshit, or it'll be called upon right out front. Opinionated, yes, but, she does her homework...A woman with soul and an equal to any!

You know little in dealing with bullies apparently.

They laugh at your "reason".

They love to play your "reason" card, while they are building up their military forces in another country to use against your "reason".

Part of Narcanon's "treatment" is having you focus your negative feelings about your addiction at an object, and move it...

How much homework has Janeane done on this crap?

I always thought it was more of a mindfuck than a religion...

They say you can be a Jew, a Christian, or an atheist as well as a scientologist, right?

I'm an atheist myself, and there is no way I could ever support the cultish, pseudo-scientific behavior of Narcanon/Scientology.

If she wants credability, she needs to stay away from being a snake oil salesman.

It's hard for some people to accept that everyone -yes, even *radio* personalities- are human.

smart. But she just must learn to be a little less self-focused at times.
I allow her the humaness that she has, but she has to allow for that in others as well.

And how about the Administration? How about their factual statements?

Would you say the same for Mike Malloy and his "unstable" outrage? Or for that matter, is it okay for Sam Seder to show "unstable" outrage? He certainly gets steamed at times, although he doesn't take on the toughest issues like Garafolo does. Is it okay for a male to broadcast outrage and not a woman?

Is it because a woman screams that she becomes "unstable"? Why can Mike Malloy become "unstable", even when he spews what is understandable outrage, yet may even lack the facts Janeane does, and yet she is the "unstable" one?

Back up your statements. Tell us when Janeane has been inaccurate or as you put it "unstable". When have her facts been inaccurate?

Or was it you didn't approve of the way she stated the facts? Perhaps because she is "just a screaming female"?

Has that become "inappropriate"?

Is it wrong for a female to be screaming for the assaults on innocent humans?

It sounds as though he was the one who overreacted.

Your agenda seems more obvious than my absence in listening to them today.

I listen to them daily.

I know their beliefs and their backgrounds from listening to them for the past year plus.

having not even heard the show in question, and I'm the one with an agenda?

I'm tired of her ruining what could be a good show, and wouldn't mind seeing her leave.

That's my agenda.

And if I start a thread I'll defend it.

Thanks, we understand your issue.

That is your agenda.

I appreciate your honesty in that your biased against those, primarily female, who speak the truth with conviction like Janeane does.

You might want to ask why you're so afraid of females speaking the truth.

Pathetic...

What a strawman..

It's about Janeane constantly blowing her cool.

She puts herself out there as being so knowledgeable, then shoots herself in the foot with stupid comments. She really can't think off-script much.


Anyone catch the "Arabic writing on a sign in Turkey" show? Please. Sam was actually very gentle with his correction, as per usual.

"Sam was actually very gentle with his correction, as per usual."

I'm sure you like to imagine that men need to put women in their place as Sam so lovingly did.

Sam has certainly been wrong many times. And yes, he's a great sport if he is. And as great as he is, he still doesn't have the intellect and insight Janeane does.

He's funnier, but she's smarter.

I am a woman. I support women's rights. You are inserting absurdity in an effort to prove something that isn't there. This issue is something that is very subjective to every individual's perspective. Just because I just happen to, from my unique perspective, prefer the male member of this duo to the female, I'm sexist. At the risk of repeating myself, that is absolutely absurd.

Pull your sexist card with someone else if you must, but I'm not buying.

And I can't stand her anymore. What does that make me?

:shrug:

I think this is all moot anyway since it has been announced that she will be leaving the show.

can often more sexist and objectifying towards other women than women are.

Don't the newbies realize yet that they are precluded from discussing anything of importance until they reach 1,000 posts? I have to laugh at the people who play the 'how many posts do you have?' game... most of them I don't even recognize, having been here since 2001 myself. If you want to debate people here, great, but can we stop with the indiscriminate newbie attacks? If they had 1,000 posts next to their name, wouldn't you have to come up with another way to respond to them?

She's on his side and he knows it.

She's a very good speaker, and can be inappropriate, but, that's why they're on so late: It's the right time of night to be wicked.

What a fucking asshole!

Sam, on the other hand, has grown
into the job. He subs for Al, 'nuff said.

I have heard at countering hostile right-wing callers on any of AAR shows using reason. I've heard Jenean ruin it though b/c she has to start screaming.

hahahahahahaha..........

Absolutely. You love white male dominance denial, supremecy and naivete that dominates over everyone else, and at the expense of everyone else.

You'd love women to shut up, smile, get pregnant and just be Stepford, is that what you would like?

We just need to shut up, be blonde and underweight and dumb is that what you'd like?

Just as long as we don't address the truth of the women and children being slaughtered and begging for their lives in Afghanistan and Iraq, Sudan, Nigeria, other areas of Africa, and Juarez Mexico, you're peachy keen.

Just shut up and stay thin and silent while they are used, abused and discarded, while the world is caving.

It's nice to see how you understand and appreciate women.

I'm a woman and I agree with the trucker. (LT COULD be female, you know.)

Randi, Rachel Maddow and Laura Flanders are primo, cream of the crop AAR hosts. Better than Al Franken, in my opinion. And they're all women. Rachel's subbed for Al Franken, too.

But I think Sam is the better host of the two re: Majority Report.

I don't think it's fair to accuse someone of being sexist (especially someone you don't KNOW) just because they prefer Sam over Janeane. That's a bit over the top.

Sam over Janeane, BUT I love Randi, Rachel, Laura, and Stepanie Miller. So I must be a big male sexist pig. LoL. BTW they've done this stomp off the set act a few times before and it's usually a "bit" so I wouldn't put too much stock in it just yet anyways.

I'm a woman, I'll take Sam over Janeane any day. I love Randi, Rachel, Laura and Steph too... in a very cerebral, non-sexual way:)

Methinks someone pulled a card from up a sleeve.

I couldn't agree more.

Anybody remember early on in AAR history when they tore into each other at the top of their lungs during a commercial break? (They thought their microphones were turned off). That one made it to their "best of Majority Report" list.

You'll have to pay for their premium service, though.

I'll look for follow up. I streamed some of the showm and missed that. Sam is tough, hmmm???
I love Garafolo too.

She'd kick your ass in a political debate.... You're agenda was just exposed with the Hollywood actress crack.....

Janeane and I would be on the same side of a political debate, so there couldn't be any ass kicking.

I implied that you were being less than honest, and it was unfair of me.

Suffice to say, I disagree with your assessment of Garofalo.

There are plenty of rude male jerks out there.

I'm just a little tired of the way she carries herself.

If someone is so intellegent on the issues you don't scream like a maniac when someone calls up and challenges your points.

You counter them w/ evidence and reason like my boy Sam.

because I was hoping Jeanine would become a regular and leave Majority Report.

I was listening to Sam tonight, and enjoying it. When Jeanine came on, I turned it off. It's like listening to fingernails being scratched on a chalkboard. Often, I don't have any idea what she's talking about, esp. when she starts using that pretentious philosophical and psychological jargon.

And I don't like the way she treats Sam.

Sometimes the truth is difficult for all of us, although if we were smart, we would realize it makes us all the more powerful. However, it is often hard to swallow.

Please provide proof where Janeane is wrong without shamelessly slamming her.

The word "pretentious", used in this context, referred to her use of philosophical and psychological vocabulary that most people have never heard of, or would use in average conversations. She comes across sounding like a pompous elitist.

Here's the definition from the compact Oxford dictionary, available at http://www.askoxford.com/
pretentious
• adjective attempting to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than is actually possessed.


Most of the time, I don't know what she's talking about. Gawd, I'm so stupid. Lucky for me, there's Malloy, Hartmann, and Seder who speak simple so dummies like me can understand....

she's just useless. Makes herself look like a fool.

I think he was on a plane going to something related to his book. So I wonder if he had to leave anyway to make his flight. Some of this may just have been Garofolo theatrics.

I heard their exchange. As his argument got stronger, hers degenerated. If she mischaracterized why he left, I hope he kicks butt when he gets back.

Specifically.

secondly she constantly interupted him not giving him a chance to speak.

And my beef w/ Jenean is not just what happened tonight.

Rudeness and "passion" (hysterics) are a habit with her, and it often disables Sam from making good points.

You and I both know that Janeane is not "religion specific". People often use religions to hide behind the truth, no matter who or what it is.

I grew up in a staunchly Christian background and yet as I grew and evolved I realized how religions are such an amazing tool to separate and divide.

Where's the double standard here?

Janeane is courageous enough to confront the use and abuse of religion overall.

It has nothing to do with Judaism, Christianity or Islam.

It is the usage of religions to separate and divide otherwise normal, connected, kind individuals. Religions are often used to divide and separate, which is the cause of so many uneceassary wars and bloodshed. We allow others to divide us by using religion which if we look at them, they are all virtually alike in their ultimate belief structure.

They've fooled me many times.

http://www.classics.uwaterloo.ca/labyrinth/womb.htm

So, you're saying Janeane's uterus was floating around?

a poor way to put it b/c the word has some anti-feminism connotations w/ some.

I think women in high/leadership positions is a good thing, and I’d vote for a female president in a heartbeat if she was a good candidate.

As you can see from the link, its etymology shows how it has been used negatively toward women specifically for centuries, starting with the erroneous idea that a wandering womb caused the condition.
I like Janeane myself and trust that her uterus is firmly anchored.
And I hope that we will someday have the opportunity to vote for a progressive female president. I know I'd vote for Boxer anytime she chose to run.

some of it is good ol fashioned bickering too, but that only adds to the fun. they are such a great team in my eyes: like oil and water, like wet cats in a burlap sack, it's always a fun time with them around. dynamic tension is something horrible to lose on talk radio, lose that and you'll lose most of the reason people actually tune in -- to hear outrageous things to stay awake. :D

Really. It may have sounded sophisticated to a very young audience, but to anyone over 35 and literate, it was just crap.

Ranting for Ratings.

Still, bringing up Sam's religion is a low blow. Even for ratings.

I used to like JG, in the beginning... but I've heard her say too many stupid things. I often wonder if she preps or does any research at all for that show. She's better on TV... with lines written by others.

lack of political correctness. She's also right about the psychological motivations of the neocons. I adore Janeane and loved her on West Wing.

That's hardly a compliment!

pissed off at how poorly I thought Janeane treated Sam. (At least that how it seemed to me.)

As a result, I laid it on a little too thick about Janeane, not taking into account she’d have plenty of fans I’d be offending. Truth is she ain’t all bad, I just wish she’d take it down a few notches sometimes.

It also came off to some as if I’m sexist – which if you know me and some of the causes I’m involved in, you’d know is not the case at all.

If I had this to do again I wouldn’t.

I don’t care for bitter debates, and I don’t want to cause divisions within DU – we have plenty of other unimagined adversaries out there to worry about. So I’ll try not to do this again.

I know I’m bumping it, but it didn’t die on it’s own and I wanted to make any amends I could.

So let’s drop it and move on. And if a mod wants to lock this thread that’d be good too.

Peace.

Sadly on DU for the past year or so, new posters have been hunted like small game. If they don't agree with you, they'll attack and suspect you of being a troll... I didn't find your posts any more inflammatory than any others I've read from people here for years and years. I've been here since early 2001, and I cringe everytime I see people gang up on the newbies.

Sounds like you have a good attitude about everything.. welcome! :hi:

A lot of us could learn from that.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

Some people here are more ideoloigcally knotted-up than any RWer.

99.9% of people I'm sure adore JG's soul. I'll never forget one of her tirades right after vote 04 when someone suggested the left should find common ground with the right. And JG just lost it, in a good way. She was went off on one and was articualte, funny, passionate, truthful. She was in part screaming, in part laughing, in part mocking and in part crying. It was absolutely beautiful and made me cry with laughter too. It was very, very moviing.

But that does not change the fact that the show is better with Sam on his own. That's all. No agendas, no ulterior motives. The show is just better with 1 voice.

And Sam is that voice. He is getting better and better with every week and any sane AAR producer/planner should see this too and make it happen.

And anyway, didn't I read last week anyway that Sam was going to do 4 days a week on his own anyway, with JG on Fridays?

How pathetic is our situation when we get our panties in a wad over one incident on one show of one radio station? Corporate radio won't save our country, even if they are on our side. Chill the fuck out already.

Sam isn't there or anytime Sam Seder isn't there. Janean is NOT well informed politically. She regurgitates what she's heard on NPR and can barely connect the dots.

She is so whiney and I am way tired of these fake calls she is pre-emptively airing...enough with the stupid comedy all ready.

If it becomes the Jeanine Garafalo show I will cancel my premium membership after the year is up.

It was not a scream fest. It was really a programming disagreement. They need to formalize how guests are chosen off the mic is all and choose a single person to make programming decisions. Also it was the final part of the show. That's my case to downplay the event. But it did happen.

My take on this specific event, Jenine hit below the belt w/ the Jewish comment, she was totally off on Sam's motivation. Her comparison of the fighting dem series to a single (sam said she was exploiting the show, oopsie) topic that she wanted to bring in again was idiotic on her part. The production fell apart afterwords, including JG bitching about commercials after fumbling the transition from them.

Sam covers for Jenine's absence all the time. But 'sam left in a huff', admittedly true, is the cover he gets from her.

Sam did make the single biggest mistake you can make by leaving. He should have protested by going mute, and taken the programming issue off the air. But he should have stayed to help with the buttons. It's Sam's fault as much as jg's that she fumbled the rest of the show.

I also have not posted much in DU, but have been a dedicated AAR listener from the beginning. For those that lead with motive, like Jenine, I offer that my favorite show is Rachel Maddow.

I enjoy their sniping as a comic diversion, but it needs to stop there.

my understanding is that they wished to give voice to the liberal viewpoint. It’s impossible to influence people that are not listening. They must entertain the audience while making their point. Perhaps this was nothing more than an attempt to be entertaining.