Babies Are Now 'Collateral'! GIs Cleard in Their Deaths. *Graphic*

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In this Wednesday, March 15, 2006 file photo, a relative carries the body of child, reportedly killed during a U.S. raid, to a hospital in the rural Ishaqi area, about 80 kilometers (50 miles) north of Baghdad in Iraq. Residents in the village of Ishaqi said 11 people, including at least five children, were killed in a March 15 U.S. raid on the Sunni-dominated area, whilst the American military confirmed the attack but said only four people died - a man, two women and a child, saying later that the incident was under investigation. (AP Photo/ Hameed Rasheed)



In this Wednesday, March 15, 2006 file photo, Iraqis examine a house damaged during a U.S. raid in the rural Ishaqi area, about 80 kilometers (50 miles) north of Baghdad in Iraq. Residents in the village of Ishaqi said 11 people, including at least five children, were killed in a March 15 U.S. raid on the Sunni-dominated area, whilst the American military confirmed the attack but said only four people died - a man, two women and a child, saying later that the incident was under investigation. (AP Photo/ Hameed Rasheed)



Iraqis look at the bodies of those reportedly killed during a U.S. raid in the rural Ishaqi area, about 80 kilometers (50 miles) north of Baghdad in Iraq Wednesday, March 15, 2006. Residents in the village of Ishaqi said 11 people, including at least five children, were killed in a March 15 U.S. raid on the Sunni-dominated area, whilst the American military confirmed the attack but said only four people died - a man, two women and a child, saying later that the incident was under investigation. (AP Photo/ Hameed Rasheed)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060603/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_haditha


GIs cleared of misconduct (MURDER) in Iraqi village

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The investigation of the March 15 attack on a home in the town of Ishaqi was one of three probes into possible misconduct by American troops in Iraq. U.S. Marines are also accused of deliberately killing two dozen unarmed Iraqi civilians in the western town of Haditha on Nov. 19 after one of their own died in a roadside bombing.

Besides Haditha and Ishaqi, seven Marines and a Navy corpsman could face murder, kidnapping and conspiracy charges in the April shooting death of an Iraqi man west of Baghdad.

The investigation of the attack in Ishaqi concluded that the U.S. troops followed normal procedures in raising the level of force after they came under fire while approaching a building where they believed was an al-Qaida terrorist was hiding, said Maj. Gen. William Caldwell, a U.S military spokesman.

Caldwell also acknowledged there were "possibly up to nine collateral deaths" in addition to the four Iraqi deaths that the military announced at the time of the Ishaqi raid. The results of the investigation were released amid questions about the original U.S. report as television stations aired AP Television News footage of a row of dead children in the aftermath of the raid.

Did anyone in the SS get in trouble for murdering Jews during WWII? (Nuremburg is another matter entirely.) They are, after all, only following orders to exterminate the enemy.

every man and woman in this country, especially the rah-rah bush**/war supporters.

This kind of proof of what war does (along with the draft) ended the Viet Nam war. Which is exactly why they aren't being published now.

One of the Moms was there with her youngest, a blond blue eyed little toddler girl. This woman is an extremely conservative Catholic and pro-bush. All I could think of were these photos and how she would react if I ever showed them to her. I wondered if she could relate losing her own baby so horribly? Folks like her NEVER know the reality of the US war crimes in Iraq. :(

don't look to see what is really going on, how this war affects the weak and defenseless the most. As it does in every war.

People can ignore the reality of war if they aren't made to see it's terrible consequences. But faced with rock-solid evidence of how barbaric the killing is, how it is innocent people who are dying, they are then forced to finally THINK about what is going on. Once those brain cells start to move around, there is no turning back. They have to make a stand, if not publically at least in their own minds. And that is where we have 'em, because if they see pictures of dead children or old people, they understand or start to understand what it is that our government is really doing.

The media has done its very best to keep reality at bay. They've done everything they can to ensure that we don't see these pictures or the pictures of the caskets as they're unloaded at Dover. They've haven't fought against the censorship imposed (illegally in my opinion) by the war mongers and thugs. They are as guilty as the administration.

"Culture of life" my ass. Where is right-to-life on this? Oh that's right, these kids are out of the womb.

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Julie

Killing babies is just fine if it's done by troops blasting them from a respectable distance unlike just shooting them.

Besides, everybody knows that Americans never, ever, ever, target civilians. But, they do seem to be adept at targeting "collateral damage" which, of course, they "regret".

and Afghanistan is people will shelter Taliban and Al Qaeda in their homes. Why they feel putting their own family at risk is worth it, I do not know.

Also, like in Fallujah, why is every picture of a dead child always blamed on US Troops? In Fallujah, insurgents were going into people's homes during the fighting and killing the people living there before using the home as a defensive position.

The the cameras come along and blame all of those dead inside on the US.

I have no love or respect for killers of any kind, but I've never heard of Taliban, Al-queda, or the insurgents going into people's homes and killing them before using the houses as defensive postions.

As to "Why they feel putting their own families at risk..". Perhaps they are partisans of whatever soldiers appear, or, more likely, a group of armed men show up and move in. I hardly find it likely that in that case, they would defy them and attempt to throw them out.

In this case of dead children in Ishaqi, the evidence certainly points to the guys shooting at the house. I see no lack of photos of dead children killed by insurgents on an almost daily basis.

I heard about the insurgents doing this in Fallujah from Marines and soldiers who fought there. I spent some time in Iraq myself.

When safe passage was allowed for civilians to leave Fallujah, thousands left. Too many to suit the Insurgents so they started killing people who wanted to leave.

You'd think that Rumsfeld & Company would be jumping all over them to make a case for the slaughter in Fallujah.

we all know every single child killed in Iraq is killed by US Troops and no one else. Probably cackling with glee the whole time.

Whether killed by "coalition forces" or insurgents or by sectarian fanatics, they all have "justifiable" rationales for murdering them.

Whether it's the "Greater Good" of "spreading democracy", or, "fighting for our country", or, "they were Shia, or Sunni, or Kurd", or, "the soldiers had no choice", or, "it was an accident of war", or, "defending God (in whatever version), or, "protecting the homeland", or, "following orders", the list is as endless as the number of victims.

no one gets a pass in my book. Civilians murdered by insurgents or Americans are equally disgusting. I don't pretend to care by throwing eye rolling, pants filling, mouth frothing fits when Americans do it and keep silent when it is done by others.

these were stories related to me by men who were there. Unless they have some sort of interphase, I can't provide a link to that.

I am sure there are some articles because I have seen discussions on this elsewhere. Have not looked.

Anecdotal evidence only goes so far.

But I have not taken time to search for the links. I will get around to it.

As it is now, I am involved in a couple of other real time discussions. Some of them on other boards and of great import.

Someone on one of those other boards is extolling the virtues of Honda sportbikes over those manufactured by Yamaha (I own a Yamaha R1). Such lies should not be allowed to be perpetuated.

What a shitload of facts you must want to hurl at those Honda owners.

It is a war crime.

Most Americans don't. But when the Geneva convention means nothing....when our military is an occupier and used as a police force....when the enemy is ambiguous (if they can be called the enemy at all)...

Makes me so very very sad because even though I don't want to believe it, I know it's been happening.

Why should it be any surprise when they end up dead, either deliberately or as "collateral" damage?