I guess if the President is having an affair, it's none of our biz right?

He is a very powerful man, and he needs his dalliances to keep him centered, and after all, it's his personal life and we should stay out of it huh?

http://www.newshounds.us/ellen_elaborates/

(I hope this is OK)

none of them any good.





But like who cares? The best defense is a good offense. Bush wants to attack the rights of gay american by writing them out of the constitution with his hateful 'defenestration of marriage act', let him defend his own damn marriage. You know what? That swiftboat sails for anyone who wants to use it.

Smear, attack, lie, scream, gossip, whatever, all bets are off.

How long do you think we should continue with the gentlemen's rules of conduct? How many times do we need to get kicked in the balls before we realize exactly what sort of fight we are in?

Is Condi wearing anything on the lower half of her body? That's a lotta leg showing there.

Robert's Rules of Order or the Marquess of Queenbury's Rules..Anymore!!

Impeach.

And I feel the same way now. HOWEVER - the shoe is on the OTHER foot, and if all it takes is a blowjob to get a pResident impeached, even when we have all his REAL crimes to go after - well then I'm all for this public discussion of shrubbie's personal life.

Anything and everything is to be used to get Bushco out of power and into prison. If, by some miracle, * has been having an affair and has been caught, it needs to be used without hesitation or remorse.

This is the only case I can think of where the end (getting Chimp & Co. OUT of the White House) justifies almost any means. It's a matter of patriotism and simple self-defense.

I kind of doubt the affair talk, but who cares? If people want to talk it up, let's talk it up as if it were true. Anything that helps gets these weasels out of office FAST has to be the American thing to do. ANYTHING.

Sarcasm

BUT, if he is having an affair with his Secretary of State, that sure as hell is my business. Something like that would be bound to cloud the "judgment" (such as it is) of one or both of them with regards to many, many important issues.

I don't think anyone, other than Laura and Babs, need to get involved or criticize. I think those two can make mincemeat outta Georgie, and he won't even know what hit him.

Two chickenhawks sleeping together is scary. Especially when they both want to bomb Iran.

to get his missile out of the silo.

...it really isn't anyone's business, and that I don't give a rat's buttocks who anyone sleeps with-- BUT no tit has ever called for a tat as strongly as this one does. Impeach 'em.

fun spreading some FUD among the freepers.

I don't give a shit either unless they go about shouting about how holy they are.

:shrug:

if she got her VERY powerful job in Hollywood style. on the casting couch. and it's not the sex, it's the hypocrisy :evilgrin:

but some of us hold a grudge. Can WE hire Ken Starr?

To make both of them seem Human & Interesting.

I'd rather he find something to screw other than the country.

Truthfully I couldn't give a shit if he was fornicating his canine.

I have more important stuff to worry about.

Don

nt

The fruit of George and Condi

That gap-toothed grin on Condi's face! I knew I had seen it somewhere before!

and then beat me over the head with the results....

I say he needs to focus on the "sanctity" of his own damn marriage.

has been known to have been giving information that hasn't panned out. Randi Rhodes has this report at her site and I can only hope that her staff researched it. I don't want this to do anything to her credibility.

he had proof of the stolen election, and he had proof of bushco taking campaign funds from foreign sources and the FBI was following him?

funds, but Masden hasn't come up with the proof of his claims.

I believe that there are certain journalists being fed information, close enough to the truth but far enough to discredit them and in turn discount those that believe them. Ala the Shrub's TANG records and Dan Rathers.

... Yes.

If that's all just a bunch of talk by DUers that doesn't mean anything, and is spoken on for short-term gain, and not because we actually believe it, then feel free to jump on the tabloid-bandwagon.

Just like people jettisoning the "reality-based community" marketing as soon as truthout made publically unverifiable claims.

Just like people don't care any more about churches advocating in the political arena, as long as they're on OUR side.

Sheesh.

EDIT: It's just a simple question: Do we truly believe in the principles we CLAIM to believe in? Or are we just like republicans, spouting off about principles, but when it comes time to apply them, make up all sorts of excuses as to why we don't have to?

THAT'S the point to all this.

I didn't say it was true, I said if. IF Bush lied us into a war. IF Bill Clinton's entire romantic life history can become headline news, as it did when he first ran for president, then the same sense of fairness should come into play.

It's just a choice about what kind of people we want to be, and will be.

A large number have already made that decision.

Forgive a little republican type nastiness, they don't have a patent on it.

sheesh. somebody please shoot me now.

We OWE them bastards.

Revenge is a dish best served cold. - Oscar Wilde I believe, a notorious gay brit.

(shrug) That's just the way it is.

Go watch the Karate Kid - maybe that'll give you the idea.

Instant karmas gonna get you
Gonna knock you right on the head
You better get yourself together
Pretty soon youre gonna be dead
What in the world you thinking of
Laughing in the face of love
What on earth you tryin to do
Its up to you, yeah you

Instant karmas gonna get you
Gonna look you right in the face
Better get yourself together darlin
Join the human race
How in the world you gonna see
Laughin at fools like me
Who in the hell dyou think you are
A super star
Well, right you are

Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Well we all shine on
Evryone come on

Instant karmas gonna get you
Gonna knock you off your feet
Better recognize your brothers
Evryone you meet
Why in the world are we here
Surely not to live in pain and fear
Why on earth are you there
When youre evrywhere
Come and get your share

Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Yeah we all shine on
Come on and on and on on on
Yeah yeah, alright, uh huh, ah

Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Yeah we all shine on
On and on and on on and on

Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Yeah we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun

will defend him on Monday? What will you say to the fundie-freeps who think he's forever saving marriage?

and why won't you answer me?

... I actually don't pay attention to who says what - I could be talking to one and the same person in all these threads as far as I know...

How will I respond to who? The folks who want to change the Consitution, so that it enshrines bigotry against gay folks?

(shrug) The same way I always do, I suppose - something like "goddamnfuckin bigots".

Not sure what the thrust of your question was - sorry :(

Bush is pushing to change our founding document to forever "protect" the "sanctity" of "marriage" when his own is falling apart?

Call me crazy, but I have desire avail myself of the sleazy tactics that those I'm working against use.

into changing the constitution. Do you not get it at all?

I don't see what's so hard to understand about that... Even if you disagree, you seem to be taking it a step further, appearing to say that you don't even UNDERSTAND what I'm talkin about...

Mebbe this'll help:

Enshrining bigotry against gay folks (or anyone else for that matter) into the Consitution = bad, and feel free to rip anyone suggesting it a new asshole.

Getting involved with someone's marriage breaking up (or not) = get a fucking life you loser tabloid sleazy tactics jackasses.

HYPOCRISY.

That matters to me AND it imho gets a point across to the american idol watching masses. That's all.

... Hell, we KNOW it works... the republicans have done that dorta thing for a looonnnggg time.

And everytime they do it, we're OUTRAGED by the invasion into someone's personal life.

Ahh... but now the shoe's on the other foot, and apparently we're perfectly happy to do EXACTLY that which we PURPORTED to be SOOOOOO outraged about.

What was your word? Oh yah - HYPOCRISY.

THAT'S what'll restore honor and dignity to this country!

We don't need to be MORAL - that's for LOSERS! We need to be JUST AS IMMORAL as THEY ARE! THAT's the road to the promised land!!!

:sarcasm:

Crikeys.


EDIT: I used to go off on people who said crap about "who cares who's elected? They're all equally bad". I'm now coming to believe I was mistaken in that criticism. They seem to have had a point.

I'm really surprised I'm the only one who feels as I do. Maybe i AM crazy - lol

And look what doing unto others as he would have them do unto him got him.

You win in the karma dept.

I on the other hand, am sick and tired of being a political football every election year.

Color me a muck-raker.

... It's that winning-by-cheating ISN'T WINNING.

I want to REALLY win - not win by cheating.

(I'm using the term "cheating" as shorthand for all sorts of sleazy tactics that use typically deride republicans for using.)

What's the point of winning, or "winning" - if we compromise the very principles we purport to be fighting for along the way?

And hopefully quite a few of them behind bars for a very long time.

Thus the "win" is a false win.

Which is my point.

My point is NOT about "being a better person" for its own sake. It's about THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO TRULY WIN.

It's not winning if you do the same things as the bad guys.

That's why we PURPORTED to be SOOOOO against torture (one of the reasons at least). By torturing, so DUers eloquently argued, WE WERE BECOMING EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE FIGHTING AGAINST - AND HENCE ***LOSING***.

You have conflated two things here: the tactics used to get into power and the policies implemented once in power and somehow decided that they are one and the same. They aren't.

they used fraud and deception to take us into a very bad war, they have stolen elections now for six years running, and you are concerned that we only use honorable tactics to defeat them? Do you understand why some of us do not share your ethical high standards?

... "Civil rights don't mean much if you're dead", we were outraged. We PURPORTED to believe that the civil rights - principles - were PARAMOUNT. We threw around Patrick Henry's "Give me liberty or give me death" as a classic example of principles > all.

Apparently that was just a lie.

Sigh.

There's no point in winning if you have to cheat to do it.

Crikeys indeed.

Some political principles are very important.

Some ethical and moral principles are very important to voters like me.

At some point people are no longer impressed with political principles that they may have some agreement with, simply because they are so disappointed by the lack of ethics or morality.

Democrats have taken the high road so often we ought to be at the top of the stairway to heaven. I'm sick of hearing "they fight dirty but we have to rise above it." Bullshit. Why should we continue to do that? It doesn't help us and, far more importantly, it doesn't help the country if we continue to act like whipped dogs. No wonder people see Democrats as wimps.

Pointing out Republican hypocrisy doesn't make Democrats hypocrites as well. It shows that we're prepared to, at long last, fight back.

We play to win, and having won, we show them what real morality is. We won't instantly morph into Newt Gingrich if we fight back.

Also, the idea that the words "Newt Gingrich" and "morality" have ever been used in the same sentence - well, it's a good definition of oxymoron, isn't it?

There's plenty to attack with all the erosion of civil and human rights that are going on.

If that's not enough for you to focus on, I don't know what to say.

They want to pretend that their bigotry is about 'defending marriage'. Fine, so georgie can defend his own marriage at the same time. It is dirty politics for sure. As noted elsewhere, calling somebodyu a pig fucker is not about whether it is true or not, it is about getting him to publicly deny that he is fucking pigs.

Getting the bushista to deny that his marriage is in trouble while he is busy trying to pretend that constitutionalizing gay bashing is about 'defending marriage' rips their little stunt wide open. How many other gay bashing hypocrits out there are fooling around while in a state of wedlock? Gets them all looking in the mirror pondering the wisdom of putting the gummint in charge of their sex lives.

my business. I don't really care if Bush is having an affair or not. If it does come to light, however, I would expect, maybe even demand, that the media cover it as extensively as they did Clinton's indiscretions. Of course, we won't have the satisfaction of finding out it took place in the Oval Office, however, because Bush doesn't spend enough time there to engage in an affair anyway. That would probably be the one point that his supporters would use to make it seem less serious than Clinton's rendezvous.

Unfortunately, that means there's very little that's any of my business....

:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:

;( ;( ;( ;(

it's a security threat, such as his banging a male prostitute who advertises on the Internet. But then that could never happen, could it?

Who knew?

:rofl:

Not much else, as Americans. I mean more people voted for American idol than voted for president.

They rode Bill's ass relentlessly cause he took a puff of pot and admitted it.

Here is the style they use, quite effectively:

"Observers See Eerie Parallels in Attacks on Kerry, McCain
As in 2000 campaign, Bush attempts to distance himself from hits against rival

by Zachary Coile, Marc Sandalow

WASHINGTON -- Four years ago, as George Bush struggled in the polls, supporters of his bid for the Republican presidential nomination unleashed a ferocious attack on rival John McCain, questioning his commitment to veterans and his fitness to serve.

After the charges took root, Bush distanced himself from the veterans group that made the attacks, called the Arizona senator's service "noble'' and cruised to a nomination-saving victory in the South Carolina primary.

Monday, in a series of events that some observers say are eerily familiar, Bush distanced himself from a veterans group running fierce attacks on John Kerry's military record and called his rival's service in Vietnam "admirable. '' Rather than focus on the Democratic nominee's Vietnam record, a matter that has engulfed the presidential contest for the past week, Bush said "we ought to be debating who (is) best to be leading this country in the war against terror.''

Bush passed up an opportunity to denounce the content of the group's television commercial, in which veterans accuse Kerry of lying in order to win combat medals. In a carefully worded statement, Bush called on all independent groups -- those supporting him and those supporting Kerry -- to pull their television commercials relating to the 2004 presidential campaign off the air, a request that strategists on both sides appeared to not take seriously. "
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0824-01.htm

Make the charges through a deniable third party. Get a big stink going and then publicly distance the official organization from the rumors.

But we are above all that. We wouldn't want to put the rove machine on the defensive, derail their little issues and policies initiatives, upset their image building operations. Oh no, that would not be honorable.

And he is not in jail yet.

Whats that tell you?

Don

triple check all of our sources, and keep an honorable distance from his personal affairs.

I just want to know when Prezinet Bush stopped snogging Condi Rice. Seems like a fair question.

:sarcasm:

Just like I don't care if a politician is gay - unless he's pushing anti-gay legislation.

If Bush really is having an affair, I want to throw everything the Repukes ever said about Clinton right back in their face.

And when they couldn't find anything else, they finally went after Monica. It was a witch hunt started before Clinton ever took office.

I remember it.

They can't win on the issues, so they run on smear, hate, and fear.

Hate is in all of us for a reason, we just keep it under control, not like neocons.

I don't care about this high-shchoolesque drama, bullshit.

among many other political disastrous his administration has presided over.

I don't give a hoot in hell who he sleeps with.