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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 07:23 PM
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US confronts brutal culture among its finest sons
In the wake of the Haditha massacre come further allegations of outlaw killings in Iraq. They add to growing unease about US military culture that fails to distinguish civilian from insurgent

Paul Harris in New York, Peter Beaumont in London, and Mohammed al-Ubeidy in Baghdad
The Observer
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1789873,00.html

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Sunday June 4, 2006 -- The US military is now involved in at least three separate investigations into its own soldiers' conduct in Iraq that may illegally have led to the deaths of Iraqi civilians. It is widely expected that more incidents will be uncovered. The most serious is the alleged massacre of 24 civilians in the Sunni town of Haditha by a unit of marines. The victims included women and children who were shot after a roadside bomb hit a convoy and killed a US soldier.

Last week it was revealed that two more incidents have also been under investigation. The first is the death of 11 Iraqis during an American raid near Balad in March. The dead included five children. The second inquiry involves seven US marines and a sailor in the death of an Iraqi civilian near Baghdad in April. It is believed the man was dragged from his home and shot before an AK-47 and a shovel were placed next to his body to make it look like he was an insurgent.

Some American veterans have expressed little surprise at the latest revelations. 'I don't doubt for one moment that these things happened. They are widespread. This is the norm. These are not the exceptions,' said Camilo Mejia, a US infantry veteran who served briefly in the Haditha area in 2003.

American veterans have told The Observer of a military culture that places little practical emphasis on avoiding civilian casualties in the heat of battle, although they also point out the huge problems of urban fighting against a tough enemy that often hides within the civilian Iraqi community.

full article: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1789873,00.html
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The Blue Flower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 07:27 PM
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1. War on civilians since 1990
How can anyone be surprised at this when the U.S. has treated Iraqi civilians with fatal brutality since the early 90s? It's blanket policy from the highest level of our government.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 07:43 PM
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2. Marines on the ground have done less atrocities than "precision bombing".
How much collateral damage have our airplanes inflicted on civilian populations? Does anyone doubt that America has killed more people from the air than any other nation in history?

We bomb them from the air and with mechanized columns, they bomb us back with IED's and suicide bombers. A very nasty asymmetrical war with racial and religious overtones that can't be won by defintion.
They say there are 2 kinds of Republicans. Either greedy ones or stupid ones. What we're watching now in the Republican party, is a civil war between the morons and the capitalist fundementalists. Will the world survive?

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