U.S. has become such a sad, sad country

Just sat down at computer to check the latest happenings and clicked Music Choice on my cable and heard "Whole Lot of Shakin' Going On" and it hit me, we have been put in a "burka" society, living with fear, fear of god, fear of Muslims, etc. Even during Viet Nam at least the people rose up and said no more, right or wrong. Now there is a VOID in any emotion other than paying bills and fear of being attacked. There is no doubt that the Corps. are running this country and we are being lead like sheep. Our govt. has decided that everything they do is a Secret to keep us safe. What is this horse shit?

Much more timely than comparing it to the old Soviet state. Very compelling description. We might consider adopting it and getting it out there in the public mind.

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It's more like the home of the chickenshit.

is accurate. People really are starting to notice how fear-based we've become.

The source of a lot of that is Washington. But they don't escape unscathed. Someone posted a thread just this week, about how Washington itself has become a "paranoid, adrenaline-soaked mess". There was an incident with a jack-hammer, or maybe a staple gun that made some gun-sounding noises.

The WHOLE capitol was shut down. Cops everywhere, the nation on high alert. Later, they found out it was a false alarm. But people are now mentionining that this city is absolutely riddled with fear, like a bunker mentality.

Sad to say, that's how we've become. Bush.

Do we need to fear a reaction comparable to Hiditha (sp?). Like pulling the trigger when they hear a sound?

Edit: Post Tramatic Stess syndrome? Give them a break this November.

And in a corporation, the basic ingredients are secret. I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's the secret sauce. It's the patented information. Try finding out the recipe for Coke.

It's not a country now. It's a corporation. And it has been for a long time. And now the Democrats are on board. But it's not confined to America. It's pretty much everywhere you find the white man. Yes. I said white. And I say that because indigenous people were not this way.

We have departed from the natural world. And this is what we get for doing it. You can only move so far from nature, and get away with it. But now it's madness.

That's my perverted perception of things.

and that was a great post.

from your post: "You can only move so far from nature, and get away with it. But now it's madness." True

but if you were, say, a white child of the 70s growing up in a small town in vermont you may have had some feeling of comunity and control over your world. So there are/were outposts where the white man is not a complete dick.

I wish I had perfect memory. There was a documentary on the Kalahari Bushmen on Linktv last week. Not only do I not recall his name, but I don't recall what he did. But there was a white man who helped these people out during a time when they were being wiped out by the same kinds of people we find in our White House today.

Yes, I'm sure you are right about those pockets of true happiness and culture within the white society.

I know two older men. Both poor. One whom I spoke with right after 9/11, was in agreement with me that invading anyone after that attack was wrong. No matter what. He said, "Love is reflected in love". I was blown away. Now the other man is a stinking turd of a man. He believes we should have nuked Iraq. He said, "We have to keep those unruly Arabs under control". Two white men. One who shares his garden vegetables with the community, one who doesn't have a garden at all.

Right now I'm in a great deal of pain. I just missed the sixties. That would have been something I would have loved. I did get a little of it, as the party was clearing out. I don't see a future in any of our societies. I said "white man" because of my journey and what I have experienced. I suppose I should write a book. I've been "on the road" since 1990. My road has been real estate. I've traveled from property to property. A slow motion "on the road". I am thoroughly disgusted. Between the slobs who have peacocks that shiek at 4 in the morning, to those with high powered rifles that blast away out my window (like I'm hearing right now), to dirtbikes and loud quadrunners tearing up the mountains, to total forest devastation, and on and on, I've discovered that it's nearly impossible to live with or even near the "white man's" society. As I prepare to sell my present property, I do not have a next place in mind. And I do not have expectations like I had. My optimism is nearly zero. And to further the issue, to own what I wanted when I began would require millions. Of course with the market, I may not sell at all. But at least I know what I'm not looking for now.

So I'm sure that is more than you wanted to know, as well as being inappropriate for a thread response like this one.

If I weren't married to two cats, I would dearly love to see other parts of this country. Coastal, that is. Vermont sounds like a pretty good place. I'm getting ready to buy land in Mendocino north of San Francisco. Talk about expensive. And nonexistent, now. So we'll see. I would love to be wrong. I would love to find a place where the neighbors were human and I had a place I could call home.

i was on a dual sport motorcycle ride ( this event required quiet exhausts) between stonyford and ft bragg and back. On the return somewhere east of covello in the foothills of that range right before the central valley i came around a corner and there was a an old hippy bus just sitting up on a hill . The colours were so vibrant and there was nothing else human around it for miles.Art i guess.

history of DU, I realized that my fear was as palpable in 2000, when SCOTUS abused their powers for an historical first, to select B*, as was my fear during 9/11. DU was set up because, even then people were afraid to speak truth to power. It has become immeasurably worse since 9/11.

We at DU know of the major responsibility the M$M has had in spreading this fear, and even spreading partisan hatred. People have lost jobs for speaking about politics at work; still to this day, if you are anti-B*, you are viewed as unpatriotic, while in fact, the opposite is true, as Natalie of Dixie Chicks so eloquently stated on Larry Kng Dead the other night. (paraphrase) 'I think it is patriotic to voice your opinions, even if they are in disagreement with those in power.' I could not agree with her more! But few have her visibility and her courage.

It behooves us to remember that DU was set up because people were afraid to speak the truth in 2000! Pre-9/11 and Pre Iraq War! We have been drenched in fear for way too long.

K & R!

it keeps me sane, makes me laugh, gives me a sense of community and hope in our future. We DO effect the country's politics in small and large ways. We can inspire and support each other when we are down AND broadcast actions taking place all over the country. We inform each other and don't think the MSM and 2006 and 2008 candidates don't read this site.

So yes, much of what we knew of our beloved country is currently in limbo or maybe lost for ever - but many of us have developed an appreciation of our country and our place in support our democracy that I don't think we would have developed any other way. This realization may just lead to a renaissance of democracy and innovative solutions once we launch these fools from the WH starting later this year!

There is nothing more motivating than fear and/or anger. Let's not forget that.

justified perhaps, are not valid emotions in a healthy society. I am ashamed of my anger, I understand my fears, and I hate my hatred! This administration has profited on all of the above, especially those who are less informed. My fears are not of terrorism, but of blind stupidity in acceptance of the propaganda that is spewed ad nauseum about the falsehoods behind this administration's agenda. Their agenda is stuffing their own greedy pockets, spitting on the Constitution, and praying to false gods of 'freedom.' Freedom to make money on TamiFlu stocks (Rumsfeld) with an new invented terror, is just one more recent, and galling example of these War Profiteers.

It is how we collectively respond that determines our future. Anger and fear do make us weaker than we are used to being as Americans but corruption and greed are common in the rest of the world and these are normal, predictable responses to a corrupted governing body. Our way of life, our history, our country's identity is at stake - how we respond will effect not only our lives from here on out but our children's and grandchildren's lives. I think we are up to it. We have the heart and the courage and the smarts to wrestle this back to a country we recognize and can be proud of again. No one of us can do it alone. Collectively yes - and we are doing it. We are vigilant, we are watchful, we act when needed and we comfort each other when we suffer failure.

As Gandhi stated: Whenever I despair, I remember that the way of truth and love has always won. There may be tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they may seem invincible, but in the end, they always fail. Think of it: always.

Peace friend and take heart. It ain't over yet.

how conservative our society has become. We've come to accept that government can legislate every aspect of our lives. And government does. I read a statistic that one of every 135 Americans is in jail. We lock up more people and have more rules and regulations that any country. Memorial Day I was reminded how I can't have fireworks in this state because the government doesn't want me to hurt myself. That was one simple thing I took for granted growing up in the 1950s and expected to assume the responsibility if I did hurt myself, which never happened. The list of things we can't do must be about one thousand times longer than the list of acceptible things.
During Victorian times vices like prostitution, liquor, drugs and gambling were not regulated by law. We are 100 times more conservative than the average Victorian era person. Christian churhes began a crusade to protect people from their own vices 150 years ago and they haven't given up yet. There's no limit to how far people will go to forcibly impose their personal values on other people.

You can rant and vent and some will give their views and it keeps people like me that live in a Red State from thinking that I am in a different universe. Most Okies don't appear to be that stupid that I know and many are conservative. Some have expressed displeasure (nice word) with bushco, so there is hope. If they would just stay home on voting day if the can't vote for a real change.

You mentioned 1 in 135 are in prison and that is ridiculous. Far too many are marijuana related, sheesh. I never did the stuff but can't get too excited about someone smoking it. Far too many laws to "protect" us, exactly. Take responsibility for those fire crackers, ha!

My home state was the home of Davy Crockett, a local hero with a reputation for independence. Like Davy I'm independent too. The American character, ideal is based on independence, the feeling every individual's potential is without inherent, unchangeable limits. Despite political differences some of the nicer people I know are conservative politically. Most of the people I would agree with politically seem convinced they're intellectually superior. If a liberal minded person from a "red state" came here to a predominately Democratic, liberal Northeastern state like where I live now they might get a surprise. It ain't going to be Nirvana.

I'm surprised that there haven't been many more marches in D.C. protesting what has happened to our country.

Of course, I grew up firsthand the actions of bullies, manipulators, and other nasty people and have lived my life IN fear, in solitude, and relying only on myself because there is nobody else.

to opportunities and will not allow the nice people in this world to know you. There are jerks everywhere, pass them by. Take care.

Edited for poor typing.