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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 12:24 PM
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So, despite calm reasoned tones and clean language, Byrd's intern hung-up
I called back and spoke to someone else, and she took my message:

Even though Sen. Byrd gave-up his Klansman hood (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Participation_in_the_Ku_Klux_Klan) and repudiated racism, all he has done is trade it for homopobia, a more acceptable form of bigotry.

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 12:57 PM
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1. Honestly. Do we really need to spew the KKK shit on DU? He has apologized
for that on National TV, fercryingoutloud. That really IS a RW talking point when the wackos talk about Byrd.

Is he voting in favor of the Marriage amendment? Has he said one way or the other how he plans to vote?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:02 PM
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2. Right.
It discredits the person who attempts to sneak it in to a discussion, in my view.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:03 PM
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3. ummm, Byrd is one of the biggest homophobes in the Senate
thus his 13% rating from HRC(apparently you didn't pay attention to the OP's post)

I can remember him ranting against the evil homosexuals, bible in hand, in the 90's during the DOMA debates.

He gives a good anti-war speech but he is a major homophobe.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:07 PM
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4. Fine. Then leave the argument against Byrd there.
My argument is about DUers spewing the KKK crap here. He's apologized for it. It needs to be dropped. His stance on homosexuality SUCKS. That's where the debate should be.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:09 PM
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6. i hear ya,sort of, but..
Edited on Mon Jun-05-06 01:14 PM by jonnyblitz
a bigot is a bigot with or without the sheets..

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:10 PM
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7. You don't NEED a hood to be an anti-gay bigot. He can do it OPENLY
It must be very freeing to him.

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:10 PM
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8. I think it's a valid point.
He's abandoned the robes but he's still a bigot. Not much of an apology, IMO.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:26 PM
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10. He doesn't need the hood. He has "Come out" of the robe. n/t
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:09 PM
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5. Exactly my point. He hasn't given-up bigotry. He's just traded-up...
to the more fashionable Bigotry-du-Jour.

It makes his "apology" ring hollow.

What can Byrd say? "I'm sorry I joined the Klan and was mean to the coloureds. But I still hate the damn homos. Forgive me."

FUCK BYRD!




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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:22 PM
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9. Then argue the Homosexual bigotry.
That is a VERY VALID argument, but starting the debate with his KKK connections isn't right and you don't NEED that to further your point. Do you? A homophobe is a homophobe is a homophobe and that alone is enough to make your point.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:28 PM
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11. The point is I am arguing a MORAL EQUIVALENCY...
Edited on Mon Jun-05-06 01:29 PM by IanDB1
between his klansman negrophobia and his current-day homophobia.

The ONLY difference is HE DOES NOT NEED THE HOOD.


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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:39 PM
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14. OK, but he's not a Klansman anymore and doesn't support their agenda.
It's an unfair comparison. If he was still in the KKK, THEN the argument would be a fair one. Does past Moral behavior dictate one can never change? This is just my opinion. I think it's an unfair comparison today. You have every right to be outraged over his homophobia..it's OUTRAGEOUS, but the KKK issue isn't a good comparison and is unfair.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:22 AM
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17. Negrophobia just means one is uncomfortable around black people...
Edited on Tue Jun-06-06 05:23 AM by IanDB1
in certain situations... you know, at the water cooler, in the restroom.... and believes they don't belong in the classroom with white children.

Get the point?

It's the same thing.

Only, in order to be "homophobic," he doesn't need the hood. It's "socially acceptable".

Go ask some gay black people if they're more comfortable being discriminated against for being gay, than for being black!




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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:40 PM
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15. Normally when I read
any post about Byrd and the KKK I just flip by without reading the rest of the OP. I came back to this one, because I almost always agree with your opinions, and have respect for your opinion. While I'm not comfortable with the KKK business, I have a better understanding of why you mentioned it. I am sorry that I included your post into the larger group of discredited "Byrd/KKK" threads. You raise a valid point. Hate is hate, prejudice is prejudice, and the denial of one group of people their human rights is out-and-out wrong. There are many similarities in the organized hatred of gay and lesbian people in this country, and the historic examples of hatred of other groups, including blacks, Jews, Indians, Irish, women, etc. While I still feel uncomfortable with the Byrd/KKK thing, I think that it is valid. Sometimes we need to feel discomfort.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:18 AM
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16. I like to comfort the disturb and disturb the comfortable...
and I've never before met someone who "almost always" agrees with my opinions.

Be forewarned, though, that I am wrong precisely 1/12 of the time.

Thanks!

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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:34 PM
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12. With you 100% on this one!
Stick to the homophobia. (period emphasized) The rest is unnecessary and unproductive.

The "Sheets Byrd" is a favorite of the Cons. It's right on par with the relentless stick poking of Teddy K and Chappaquidick (sp).
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:23 AM
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18. Um ...
Not for nothing ... But the man is the senior senator from WEST VIRGINIA ...
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Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:36 PM
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13. Does he plan to support the Pro-Hate bill?
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:27 AM
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19. Senator Byrd is one of the GOOD GUYS and if you don't see that............
......then maybe Senator Byrd isn't the one with the problem. Keep in mind no one is perfect - not even you.:spank:
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 06:03 AM
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20. We're not looking for perfection, MN libra
We've all disagreed with individual Democrats on a vote or two or ten or twenty. That's not the problem here.

Byrd is an aggressive homophobe, and he's willing to express his hatred openly, and eager to vote his hatred in the Senate. That's a big difference from "not perfect," IMO.
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 06:30 AM
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21. Why is it "homophobic" to look out after OUR OWN first and foremost.......
......before we worry about the rest of the world?? I don't get it. I want OUR CITIZENS to have good paying jobs!! People at DU don't seem to notice that Vicente Fox encourages the flood of illegal aliens over that southern border. It helps his country more than it helps ours obviously. So if wanting to put an end to Vicente Fox's economic war on this country and provide for my own countrymen first and foremost is "homophobic" then I'll wear the title with pride.
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