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Jon8503 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 02:52 PM
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U.S. warns Germany on World Cup sex workers
Edited on Mon Jun-05-06 02:53 PM by Jon8503
Man, wanting to amend the constitution on gay rights, now warning Germany about prostitution which is legal in Germany. All of the really, really bad stuff going on in the world and we are spending our time on this. Hookers in New York said the republicans spent the most on sex and were the kinkiest.

Report on human trafficking names violator nation
Monday, June 5, 2006;

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The United States warned key ally Germany on Monday that it should do more to stop a tide of sex workers arriving for this month's soccer World Cup, and accused 12 nations of failing to do enough to stop the modern-day slave trade in prostitutes, child sex workers and forced laborers.

"The U.S. government opposes prostitution," which is legal in Germany, a State Department report on global human trafficking said. "These activities are inherently harmful and dehumanizing."

A U.S. congressman and other anti-trafficking advocates estimate that thousands of foreign women, many from Eastern Europe, will be forced into sex work during the four-week tournament that begins June 9.

rest of article below @ link:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/05/human.trafficking.ap/index.html
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 02:53 PM
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1. OMG!!!
Can't we leave ANYONE alone???

:eyes:
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 02:54 PM
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3. cough...nevada....cough
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 02:55 PM
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5. It's an old issue
The former ambassador to Berlin made it the #1 issue; Merkel was called to Washington a few weeks ago to discuss the matter; iran was just the number 2 issue.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 02:54 PM
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2. I have a solution:
If you don't want to patronize a brothel, then don't fucking go.

What so goddamned hard to understand about that?

These fucking sanctimonious assholes running this country make me vomit
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Tanuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 02:55 PM
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4. US gov't opposes prostitution
unless it's Jeff Gannon skulking about the White House on hundreds of unexplained occasions
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 02:56 PM
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6. or.......
unless its nevada?
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 02:58 PM
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7. If there truly are 'forced' sex workers
which I doubt, they might have a point.

The real point, of course. is that you freepers don't get to run every life in every country in the whole fucking world!

Sorry, Germany doesn't have the same narrow, bigoted, fear-ridden, sex-obssessed world view that you do. Deal with it.
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Spike from MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 03:35 PM
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11. Oh there are and Germany is one of the worst offenders.
See my post #10 a bit further down in this thread.
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reichstag911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 03:01 PM
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8. "The U.S. government opposes prostitution,"
except insofar as it involves bloated Republican congresscritters "servicing" the corporate lobbyists who've bribed them to do so.

And I'm guessing that all those women from Eastern Europe would rather do what they're doing, for decent money, than work for some American international conglomerate as a minmum-wage service employee.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 03:06 PM
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9. The US government does NOT oppose prostitution
It's legal under federal law, therefore the federal government has no opinion about it and no federal government spokestalkinghead has any business expressing the federal government's opinion about it.
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Spike from MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 03:29 PM
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10. It's NOT prostitution they're talking about.
It's the sex slave trade and Germany is one of the worst offenders.

"As many as 800,000 people are bought and sold across national borders annually or lured to other countries with false promises of work or other benefits, the State Department said in its annual survey of international human trafficking. Most are women and children."

These women and children are NOT doing this of their own accord. They have either been kidnapped outright or have been lured by false promises of bogus jobs. Once they arrive at their destination, their passports are immediately confiscated and their "employers" either force them into prostitution and/or sell them outright at slave auctions and their new "owner" then forces them into prostitution. Women that don't cooperate are beaten and worse. Some are killed outright as an "example" to the others. They are kept in horribly appalling conditions and if they try to escape, they will of course be killed. If a customer complains about a "less than satisfactory" performance, they will be beated or killed, depending on the whim of the "owner." The "owners" know who these girls are, where they came from, and who their family members are. If a girl does manage to escape, the "owner" often retailiates on her family. That's one of the many threats used to keep "the girls" in line and it works. Organized crime is behind this and they carry through on their threats. The girls also can't turn to cops and/or government officials because they are more often than not "in" on the deal. The cops are some of their most frequent customes and the "owners" make sure they get "freebies" to look the other way. Government officials get $$ so they're more than happy to ignore the problem.

This is NOT legalized prostitution we're talking. This is human trafficking and it's a HUGE black market business, coming in third behind arms sales and drug sales. Germany is one of the worst offenders. Israel is also at the top of the list but you won't see them listed in the State Department report. The whole thing has been politicized and some of the most egregious offenders have been moved to Tier 1 (the "OK" Tier) whereas "enemies of the US", such as Cuba for instance, are somehow relegated to Tier 3 (the worst offenders). I see Iran and Syria appear to be in that Tier in the 2006 report and that the only two countries that have been sanctioned are Equatorial Guinea and Venezuela. That figures. The State Department report is a sham. It's just more politics as usual.

For more information on trafficking of sex slaves, check out Victor Malarek's book "The Natashas: Inside the New Global Sex Trade."

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brainy Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 03:47 PM
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12. Thank you for writing such a well informed post.
Further information can be obtained at the Amnesty International site on trafficking:

http://www.amnestyusa.org/stopviolence/trafficking/index.html
Human Trafficking
Human trade, slave markets, the buying and selling of people – these are words and phrases that, to many people, echo a brutal and distant time in our past. But to the countless women, men, and children trafficked every year, these words coldly define the horror of their lives. Trafficking is a global phenomenon where victims are sexually exploited, forced into labor and subjected to abuse. Trafficking is a crime under international law that requires international cooperation to address...

including more information on the film with Mira Sorvino, Human Trafficking,
http://www.lifetimetv.com/movies/originals/humantrafficking.html



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Spike from MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 09:40 PM
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17. Back at ya brainy.
I posted in a hurry as I was leaving work. I was planning to post some links from Amnesty Internatonal but you beat me to it!! Thanks! It's nice to know that someone else is aware of this issue. It's a horrendous problem that unfortunately doesn't seem to get much attention. The people at Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc. are doing their best to address the issue. Unfortunately, it appears to be an uphill battle since, despite legislation and UN resolutions, no real progress seems to have been made. I was however, happy to note that in the latest letter from my state rep. which contained a summary of the 2006 legislative session, the public safety section contained an entry for human trafficking as follows:

New criminal sanctions against human trafficking and special task force created.


I haven't had a chance to look up the actual bill yet to see exactly what it contains but I was REAL happy to see that the local legislators took the issue serious enough to address it and set up a task force. Hopefully others states will follow suit.

And last but not least, Welcome to DU brainy! :toast:
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 09:43 PM
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18. Maybe the U.S. Government should worry about the sex slave trade
in the United States.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 10:34 PM
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22. you would think so...
but then again i guess i hate america:sarcasm:
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Spike from MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 09:02 AM
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26. Oh they are. Well, at least in theory anyway.
The reason they're commenting on the issue of the sex slave trade and the World Cup in Germnay is that the US has taken the lead (again, in theory anyway) in dealing with the problem on an international level. They also deal with the issue domestically but it's not as big of an issue in the US as it is in some other countries.


The U.S. government estimates 600,000 to 800,000 men, women and children are trafficked across international borders every year into slavery, including 14,500 to 17,500 into our own country. Some estimate the global number of trafficking victims to be in the millions -- in domestic servitude, sex slavery, forced labor, child soldiers, child camel jockeys, and other brutal schemes.

http://www.state.gov/g/tip/c16465.htm



To fight human trafficking, you really have to deal with the problem not only at the destination but also the source. Germany is not only a primary destination for human traffickers but also serves as a huge transitway for moving the victims from one country to another. It's a major hub for trafficking and holding the World Cup there will only make matters worse. Without a crackdown, it's a situation that's ripe for exploitation and there will be thousands of new victims before the World Cup is over.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 10:30 AM
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27. Yes, just like we have taken the lead to spread democracy abroad
In theory anyway
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 03:48 PM
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13. It's the slave trade, not prostitution per se
There are a lot of terrorized women from Eastern Europe and Asia being put to work. Heck, they found a few dozen Russian slaves here in Chicago last year, forced to work at strip clubs and as call girls.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 04:00 PM
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14. A google
Edited on Mon Jun-05-06 04:03 PM by madmusic
With any issue nowadays, I always google it like this: moral panic and ___________, fill in the blank. That's not to say there aren't any real issues, but is only to suggest there is always another side to any story. In this instance I found:

Loose Women or Lost Women?
The re-emergence of the myth of 'white slavery' in contemporary discourses of 'trafficking in women'
by Jo Doezema

The campaign against 'trafficking in women' has gained increasing momentum world-wide, but in particular among feminists in Europe and the United States, in the last two decades. This current campaign is not the first time that the international community has become concerned with the fate of young women abroad. Modern concerns with prostitution and 'trafficking in women' have a historical precedent in the anti-white-slavery campaigns that occurred at the turn of the century. Feminist organisations played key roles in both past and present campaigns. While current concerns are focused on the exploitation of third world/non-western women by both non-western and western men, concerns then were with the abduction of European women for prostitution in South America, Africa or 'the Orient' by non-western men or other subalterns. Yet, though the geographical direction of the traffic has switched, much of the rhetoric accompanying the campaigns sounds almost completely the same. Then as now, the paradigmatic image is that of a young and naive innocent lured or deceived by evil traffickers into a life of sordid horror from which escape is nearly impossible.

The mythical nature of this paradigm of the 'white slave' has been demonstrated by historians. Similarly, recent research indicates that today's stereotypical 'trafficking victim' bears as little resemblance to women migrating for work in the sex industry as did her historical counterpart, the 'white slave'. The majority of 'trafficking victims' are aware that the jobs offered them are in the sex industry, but are lied to about the conditions they will work under. Yet policies to eradicate trafficking continue to be based on the notion of the 'innocent', unwilling victim, and often combine efforts designed to protect 'innocent' women with those designed to punish 'bad' women: i.e. prostitutes.


What is the truth? I don't know, but do find it fascinating and more than a coincidence that this issue too was aflame during the Progressive Era of eugenics.

EDIT: fixed link.

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liontamer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 10:44 PM
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23. i don't understand why it's called white slavery
as if only the blondes who are trafficked suffer.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:54 AM
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31. That's what it used to be called.
The article explains how and why that changed.
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Jon8503 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 05:35 PM
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15. Have my doubts this is about the sex trade. This is more of the
pandering to the right on the sexual issues for votes. The same as the gay right issue and more of the social issues we will see in coming months.

I don't think anyone is condoning sex slaves. Just doubtful of this being their main focus. Its all coming out now for votes for their right wing base.
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brainy Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 08:44 PM
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16. Coerced sex is the subject here -
Edited on Mon Jun-05-06 08:54 PM by brainy
Amnesty International is not pandering to the right on the sexual issues for votes (eg. Amnesty International also strongly supports gay rights).

Please visit their link and these:
http://www.polarisproject.org/polarisproject/
http://www.sageprojectinc.org/html/about_services_stop.htm

Spike from MN has got it right.
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Spike from MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 10:25 PM
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21. Exactly.
Amnesty International has been on this for awhile and they're not doing it to get votes. The reason that this is just now getting media attention is because the World Cup starts on the 9th. And sure, Condi mentioned it in a briefing but Rep. Christopher Smith (R) has been a staunch opponent of human trafficking for years. It wouldn't look good for Condi if she remained silent on the issue and was later upstaged by Rep. Smith who chose not to remain silent. But like you said brainy, AI, HRW, and others have no political agenda. They just want to put an end to human trafficking.
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Spike from MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 10:07 PM
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19. Are you saying they would politicize this? For shame! ;)
No, I can see why you would think that because, well, they do that with everything. But I think the reason this is coming out now is that the World Cup starts on June 9th. Amnesty International and others have been railing on this for quite some time. The World Cup attracts HUGE crowds and with those crowds comes the potential for increased human trafficking in the form of (unwilling) sex trade workers. Here's a link:

http://www.amnestyusa.org/stopviolence/document.do?id=ENGACT770082006

Do I think the right-wingers are pandering for votes? That's certainly possible, especially considering the way this admin is and the fact that the State Department report is a complete sham. If they REALLY wanted to do something about this, they could have done it long before now. But personally, I don't think their "base" gives a rat's ass about human trafficking and/or prostitution in Germany. After all, them's just "ferriners" ya know and they don't really count. But regardless of whether or not their motive is questionable, that shouldn't take away from the fact that human trafficking is a horrendous issue that needs to be addressed. Anything that brings it to the forefront and brings attention to the matter isn't a bad thing IMHO. It's been getting swept under the rug for far too long but unfortunately, that's where a lot of people want it to stay.
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Jon8503 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:54 AM
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24. Spike what you just said here I agree with. Yes I believe they are
pandering. Yes, I agree it should not take away from the fact of the horrible issue of trafficking. Its one of the worst and most horrible things that is happening in this world.

Thanks for the post and I think you see where I was coming from on this. You basically said it here.

By the way, I am a donor to Amnesty and I have it as one of my links so I read their page when I have time as I support their causes.

I was not trying to take away from the issue you are talking about but trying to get the point across of what I think was their reason for the involvement.

Thanks again for your post.
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Spike from MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 07:49 AM
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25. Looks like we're on the same page.
Thanks for your reply. And thanks for being a donor to Amnesty International. It's kind of a shame that we have to have all of these organizations doing what the government should be really be doing in the first place. Unfortunately, without these organizations tackling the issues, it's pretty obvious that the government would ignore the problem completely. As it is, by having Condi come out and make one little statement, the current administration probably figures they have done their job and that's all they intend to do on the matter. "Hey, look at us! We're the GOOD guys. We think human trafficking and the sex slave trade are BAD things!" Luckily AI, HRW and others will keep after them because the government sure isn't going to do anything about it on their own.

Thanks again for your post.
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Jon8503 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 02:41 PM
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33. Spike more on this subject and the State Dept Waring today
on ABC News site along with comments from others on the subject.

FYI, Jon

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/06/human_trafficki.html
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 10:13 PM
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20. Bring 'em on?
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:31 AM
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28. Thank God the Bush administration is there to lecture us all ...
on morality. The poor souls have been so busy looking out for the rest of us both at home and abroad that they haven't had time to notice their own moral failings. Oh well I'm sure God will sort it all out in the end.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:49 AM
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29. my son is going to germany for the world cup and we were just discussing
this this weekend..he was telling me how the prostitutes will have tents set up all around the world cup sites..is what he had read in german and world cup periodicals ..

we were laughing about it..mom and son...

and i was giving him the mother lecture..he is 29..so its a little redundant, i know..but none the less..its my duty..lol...other mothers will understand...my husband thought it was stupid to say to him..oh well...lol..he's used to me being blunt..

but this morning we read about the homes with tarps in fla..still ...going into hurricane season..and we know the failures of this administration in the gulf coast states...could * please please put the same diligence in

helping these people who are still hurting and leave the fucking sex shit up to parents?????????pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

get this fucking government out of the damn bedrooms..and doing the jobs they are paid to perform...and lock our damned bedroom doors to these assholes!

i am sick and tired of * and republicans wanting to take my job away as a parent and to amend our constitution and butting their fucking morals into my responsibility to my family with their own proven sick pathetic morals and values.....

remember folks its the sick idiot sons papa who ran kids through the white house when he was a resident there..kids who were being used by pedophiles!..in the republican party!!...it is the sick morals of republicans who embibe more than any administration in my lifetime with their own getting caught in compromising situations and with utter hypocracy...in deviant sexual disgrace...it is priests who were pedophiles..it is republicans who support the use of children for their sexual pleasure in the Mariana islands...just ask abramoff...and tom delay!

get the fuck out of my kids life and mine as a parent .... republicans..you are no good example..you are a disgrace!

fly
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:54 AM
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30. oh and don't forget the woman running for governor of nevada and never
forget jeff gannon/guckert ..*hes boy toy ...and known prostitute in this white house!

i wish some other countries intelligence would blow *hes doors off!with his pathetic sex life!

hey * hy boy..how about victor ashe??????????

yes your other boy toy!!

leave my family alone you sick pathetic man in the white house..you idiot...
and keep your hands off my kid..and my kids morals..he has more morals in his little finger than you ever will have ..little lord pissy pants!

fly
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rustydog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 12:11 PM
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32. The USA through Tom Delay, Abramoff, Ralph Reed
and too many Corrupted REPUBLICAN CHRISTIANS guaranteed the Marianas islands (that makes clothing under the made in the USA banner) can have FORCED SLAVERY, FORCED PROSTITUTION of their garment workers and FORCED ABORTIONS for those who get pregnant.

Good christian Condi Rice was to judge others while leaving out this country's abysmal record on forced prostitution.
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