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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 12:51 PM
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CNN: Bush moves gay marriage press conference to less prominent location
You can run but you can't hide

RAW STORY
Published: Monday June 5, 2006


http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/CNN_Bush_moves_gay_marriage_press_0605.html

President Bush has unexpectedly yanked a press event on the Federal Marriage Amendment from the White House Rose Garden and placed it inside the Old Executive Office Building without explanation, CNN reported Monday.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 12:53 PM
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1. What, so many roses wouldn't let him look sufficiently butch?
Doubtless the new venue will be a macho meeting room with lots of guns on the wall, stuffed lion and bear heads and dark oak paneling.

:eyes:
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 12:56 PM
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4. There was a scene in Planes Trains and Automobiles
When Martin and Candy sleep in bed and wake up to find each other cuddling. They jump out of bed and start felxing their muscles and talking about the Bears. :rofl:
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 12:58 PM
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7. "THOSE AREN'T PILLOWS!!!"
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:01 PM
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13. ROFL
Followed by Martin drying his face with Candy's drawers.:rofl:
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MikeStl Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 03:20 PM
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43. haha
That is such a classic! :D
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 04:11 PM
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46. One of my favorite movies.
Edited on Mon Jun-05-06 04:12 PM by onehandle
Lately, Steve Martin's movies are crap.

When he gets a script the only question that comes up is, "When do I get my check?"

I do miss John Candy.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:01 PM
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12. The Rose Garden has been the site of more than one wedding
There have been 17 weddings at the White House. Although three presidents were married while in office, only one -- Grover Cleveland -- was married at the White House, June 2, 1886, in the Blue Room.

Eight daughters had White House weddings -- Maria Monroe (1820), Elizabeth Tyler (1842), Nellie Grant (1874), Alice Roosevelt (1906), Jessie Wilson (1913), Eleanor Wilson(1914), Lynda Bird Johnson (1967), and Tricia Nixon *1971) -- but one only son -- John Adams, son of President and Mrs. John Quincy Adams (1828).

Four weddings for members of the families of first ladies -- one sister, one brother, and two nieces.

One presidential niece, one daughter of a presidential friend and one presidential assistant make up the final three weddings.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/interactive/apr04.html

Not too many weddings at the EOB, I suspect....
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:06 PM
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20. All the more reason this historic event should be held there!
Don't you agree? ;-)
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:21 PM
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26. As I said below, I have a feeling there might be some hollering
over the fence...can't have that, can he?
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:24 PM
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27. I am terribly disappointed. n/t
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 12:54 PM
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2. My guess
is that this has to do with "staging"....

IOW...they need a different backdrop to frame the message with....

what's inside the old Executive Office Building they could use? Statues? Flags? Can they mount a backdrop in there like they use on his staged campaign visits?

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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 12:57 PM
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5. Can we guess what the backdrop will say?
Freedom for Families?
Moral Valves?
Families First?
Protecting the family?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:00 PM
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10. No backdrop. Blue curtain with a couple of flags.
He did what the Dobsonites demanded but he dissed them at the same time.

heh.
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arch_liberal Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 02:15 PM
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39. May as well say "Vote Mullah Falwell"
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arch_liberal Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 03:21 PM
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44. This Bu$h is a traitor who can't read english.
When he took his Oath of office, he solemnly promised tp "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States" - it is, after all, the goofs only job when he's not on vacation or further exacerbating a religious 3rd world war.

The Bill of Rights is an integral part of that Constitution, thus he is charged with the solemn duty, solemn political responsibility and solemn authority to protect and defend it as well.

The first part of the bill of rights orders the President and the courts to ensure:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

The essence of liberty is that, since our forefathers fled rampant religious persecution in Europe (primarily from Roman Catholicism and Anglicanism) to come here, they all agreed that in order to protect "freedom of religion" one must respect one's neighbor's philosophy and it's reasonable views of morality in order to expect to have their religion's views respected in kind. In not establishing any specific form of religion's primacy, regardless of democratic impulse (sheer numbers), one could protect all views of morality in a more perfect and normative environment. Consider these quotes:

"As the union between spiritual freedom and political liberty seems nearly inseparable, it is our duty to defend both. And defence in the first instance is best." Thomas Paine, Thoughts on Defensive War - 1775 ( better to err on the side of spiritual freedom - defend the other guy's freedom)

"morality can be maintained without religion." George Washington

"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State." -- Jefferson


Now since many mainstream 'religions' including the United Church, MCC, Jewish, Buddist and even Anglican and Lutheran sects support and recognize same-sex 'marriage' we are talking about freedom of religion, and ones freedom to live the lifestyle one chooses (as long as it is in less manner of any harm to anyone else)

In fact, disallowing the responsibility of loving partnership, by outlawing it, would in fact form the far greater source and reservoir of potential harm to those who are sexually committed, not the reverse! Single homosexuals are a far greater threat to 'marriage' than married ones are, no matter how one looks at it.

Since the advent of divorce - the biggest threat to marriage on earth, a dissolution of the family and sacrament of marriage not done by any church, one can say there are far bigger 'family values' fish to fry here, which do not in any way merit the protections one applies to spiritual behaviors.

SO, just how can it be that a Pretzeldent like Bu$h could ever come forward to openly defy our Constitution, and advocate the establisment of Falwellism and Robertsonism, by offering up our Constitution as a place where he would sponsor the legal enshrinement of and the establishment of religious persecution?

How can we ever expect to win wars against established religious persecution (establishing liberty) in Afghanistan and Iraq when our leaders are every bit as hateful and intolerant as the worst (conservative fundies) of them are? We expect Afghanis and Iraqis to allow women to dress shamelessly, divorce etc, contrary to their popular morality and accept homosexuality while they can see us acting just as badly as we claim they do! We are being made to look like the biggest of hypocrites and bone-headed morons on earth by this irresponsible, treasonous jerk.


He has spit upon his oath of office for cheap, desperate, political gain and openly spat upon our Constitution and the courts it has solemnly charged to enforce it! Our Constitution's Courts without who's 'activism' he would never have ever even been elected!

IMPEACH this CRIMINAL!!!

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:03 PM
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17. What's NOT inside the old EOB???
Protesters hollering over the fence??? On a clear day, you can hear forever (and can he count on the media using directional microphones, nowadays?).....
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 12:55 PM
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3. I have a feeling that this whole "stunt"
will be the worst blunder the republican party has ever made.

Republicans do not belong in America's bedrooms...
and people (regular people) are realizing how crooked
and manipulative these creeps are. Pure slime.

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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 12:59 PM
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8. Shhh!
;)
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:01 PM
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14. oooops
heeheehee
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:03 PM
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16. Exactly! I called it political suicide last week, and that's
exactly why it belongs in the Rose Garden! This is so disappointing...x(
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:24 PM
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28. Terry Schiavo is probably looking down from above, and
tossing a mighty bird in the Dunce's direction.

The GOP was always the party that accused the Democratic Party of being a bunch of nannies. But if we're going to compare nannies, I'll take the Mary Poppins Democrats over the Hand that Rocks the Cradle Republicans!!!!
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:32 PM
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34. Two historic moments for this administration:
Terri Schiavo and now this...You make a very good point.
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:51 PM
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37. What is the difference between Terry Schiavo, Katrina and Osama?
Only Terry Schiavo was deemed important enough to cause Bushco to cut short a vacation and return to Washington, DC
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:53 PM
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38. Well, that was another astounding example of a situation where
the Dunce fed rotted meat to a rabid base...while the rest of the nation looked on, appalled at the craven, brutal display.

If we can't make decisions about our personal and family lives without the gubmint sticking their beak in, we aren't America. People see that, even if they don't have a direct and personal investment in this particular issue, and even if they don't "approve" of it on a personal level.

The incremental nature of the government interference is plain to see. And if this stands, what's next? Interracial marriage?? Tiger Woods, Heidi Klum, Justice Thomas, and former SECDEF Cohen, step forward with millions of others for your punishment! Marriage outside one's religion? Good gravy, line up half the country, or more!
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AndrewJacksonFaction Donating Member (471 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:28 PM
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31. "Republicans do not belong in America's bedrooms and private lives." Good
That right there is devastating and should be repeated very often! Thank you.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 12:57 PM
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6. This is going to just piss off the people it is supposed to pander too.
Once again, he isn't going to make anyone happy.

Good job, George, you dipsh#$!
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:00 PM
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9. For the past year, every single thing they do
tuns out to hurt them. It was bound to happen and I am enjoying it immensely
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:01 PM
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15. Me too. He screws everything up.
Edited on Mon Jun-05-06 01:27 PM by Pirate Smile
But I do feel very sad for the people who he is attacking, who feel under siege.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 03:05 PM
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42. Under siege?
Well, that's how I felt before my parents ripped the doors off the closet for me and threw me out into the rain (I mean that almost 100% literally, by the way... there were no 'doors' involved as such, only drawers)... I suppose one could say I felt tied to the rack while I was trying to prove to them I still deserved help with school...

then, when I had to go homeless for a while after getting screwed on a lease, it was like "may I have another, sir?" because they 'let' me move back in....

only to get my latest grade report and decide it wasn't worth their money to help, because my grades had fallen 'so far' (gee, I wonder why... and they never did say how far 'too far' was).

The lives of gay people are often quite painful, and it's oh so much worse when you lack a support system. I didn't feel like I had anyone to turn to, and it's been very hard for me to make and keep friends- much less associate with the people I did back then- over the years. Just last night I went to the home of someone I've known for quite a long time, but haven't seen in some time either.

I told him, it's because of just shame that I haven't stayed in contact, pure and simple; everyone I knew before all this happened knew (as I myself did) that I was going to be a very good musician and teacher after college was done. It's shame for not living up to what I knew everyone else knew I could do, what I knew I could do with my life, all because of purely hateful bigotry from my own family. It's shame for seeing what they've done with their lives while I've been spending more than a decade pulling myself out of a pre-dug hole I was unceremoniously thrown into to fend for myself in.

With mistrust of even family and friends so much a part of so many GLBT lives, it's a wonder any of us end up caring for anyone at all. We do, though... and sometimes it really does feel like there's just no point in it.

Today, I feel more than a little numb and more than a lot angry. The sense of loss I carry with me every single day- well, it's like a big part of me died a long time ago, and the rest is slowly getting pecked away. I haven't had a lot of hope for the future for a long time, every year I get another reason shoved into my face to think things are only going to be getting worse, not better, and I really don't see an end to it. I fear my future; it's seeming more and more to be a very dark and cold place.


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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:05 PM
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19. Well I was too, until I heard that they were going to pull this
one from the Rose Garden.

We're talking about amending our Constitution, after all! What could be more important than that? Why does that not deserve the prominence and sophistication of the Rose Garden?
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:01 PM
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11. NO!
It should be held in the Rose Garden, as the all-important event that it is. Nothing but the Rose Garden will do for a suicidal pandering of this magnitude!

When history recounts this thing, I want it to be said that the venue was the White House Rose Garden.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:04 PM
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18. I wonder if Laura will be there.
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peaches2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:16 PM
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24. Does she have an iota of self-respect left?
Could anyone here live with someone who has no basic decency towards his fellow man than this disgrace of a man has? She should be ashamed to be in his presence. Isn't he supposed to be (p)resident of ALL the people?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:26 PM
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29. She's probably praying that the bastard doesn't outlaw divorce! NT
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:11 PM
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21. Democrats would use Rose Garden photos

of this sheer bigoted pander for bigot votes for years and years.

And trust me, pictures of this occasion will not appear in the public displays of any future George Dubya memorial "library".
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:12 PM
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22. But it should and it must!
Why did they do this at the last minute?!
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:27 PM
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30. He's afraid of that guy that jumped
the fence.
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Blaq Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:14 PM
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23. Did he move it into the CLOSET?
he he hehe!!
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:17 PM
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25. good one :)
nt
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:29 PM
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32. I can explain it: HIS PLAN HAS BACKFIRED!!!
Edited on Mon Jun-05-06 01:48 PM by rocknation
The public outrage that the government is WASTING ITS TIME on such PURELY POLITICAL POSTURING is now a source of embarrassment and must be concealed! THIS is what the Daily Kos means by "crashing the gate!"

:headbang:
rocknation
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:30 PM
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33. But it would backfire so much more beautifully if this
were held in the Rose Garden!
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:43 PM
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35. The first time around, it was February 2004
...a few days after Valentine's Day. Now, it's the very same month that's so big for weddings!

Timing is everything. (Countdown to November elections)
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:49 PM
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36. Is Mary Cheney going to be there?
After all that bitch helped put the fucker back in office.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 02:23 PM
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40. Mary is "waiting for the governement to catch up"
meanwhile Laura is in the back having a smoke.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 02:46 PM
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41. I beg your pardon

they never promised us the Rose Garden
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 03:22 PM
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45. Brokeback phrase: "stemming the rose" - someone must have
realized that the comedians could use that
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