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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 07:36 PM Original message |
Is funding the primary problem with public schools? |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
1. I think you answered your question...it's politics plain and simple. |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 08:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
79. Children need more than some families provide and schools could |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
2. It's racism |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 07:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. but how can you say that when the predominately |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 07:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Title I schools may get more money b/c they meet the criteria |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 07:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. but I am not talking about WHERE the money comes from |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 08:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. All school systems issue an annual report with expenses, etc. |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 08:34 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. yes, I have read them and that is why I am asking |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:05 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. In some school districts a heavier emphasis on administration costs |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:20 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. my parents were both teachers and I taught in the |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:36 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Short answer: You change the economics in this country |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:44 PM Response to Reply #46 |
56. You are on the right track |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
55. And yet they keep reducing our title I funding!! |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 07:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. I'm almost positive, though, that black districts get... |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 08:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. i would venture that in smaller communities that may be true |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:46 PM Response to Reply #12 |
58. Think of them as urban schools |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
54. It costs more to educate kids from low income homes |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 08:41 AM Response to Reply #54 |
80. Good example. Thanks for that. nt |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 07:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. maybe so, maybe not.... |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 07:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Could you be a little clearer? |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 07:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. it's corporofascism of which racism is a vital part! |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
49. I agree 1000% |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:37 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. true |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:49 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Not all schools serving low income areas are in all black neighborhoods |
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cmd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 08:00 AM Response to Reply #2 |
76. Not racism, poverty n/t |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 08:51 AM Response to Reply #76 |
83. Racism and classism are inextricably intertwined. |
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cmd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 09:22 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. The system cannot be corrected without addressing those issues |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 09:29 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Our only disagreement is in your reluctance to admit the racism. |
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cmd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 01:13 PM Response to Reply #86 |
95. You may have a point about some areas. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 03:23 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. There are some places you can hardly tell the civil rights movement... |
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cmd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 05:20 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. On our way to Florida |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 02:39 PM Response to Reply #85 |
99. Actually there are more poor whites |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
3. some of the problems I would cite are |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 07:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. You get my vote for education analyst of the year |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 08:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. ok...now we are getting somewhere...thanks |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 08:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. You're kidding, right? If parents were more involved, schools would get $$ |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 08:46 AM Response to Reply #32 |
81. "You're kidding, right? If parents were" |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:10 PM Response to Reply #16 |
41. I think you're onto something |
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MissB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:21 PM Original message |
I don't think it is either/or |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
47. Ask any teacher who's been in the classroom for 30 years |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 10:13 PM Response to Reply #47 |
62. You can ask me - 26 years now |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:14 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. I started teaching 25 years ago |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:34 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. You can't measure it that way |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:11 AM Response to Reply #67 |
88. You're making over $ 64,000 |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 02:30 PM Response to Reply #88 |
96. Are you forgetting to add benefits? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 10:04 PM Response to Reply #16 |
61. My school is what they call a 'community based school' |
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unschooler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
4. I don't know the answer, but I'd guess there's a lot more family |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
7. Yes and no |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
9. Your question assumes that all school systems have the same |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 07:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. I know what I think |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 08:17 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. School systems and schools within the various districts revise |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 08:29 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. i can't help but feel that you are disparraging my opinion |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
17. In Wisconsin, The School Funding Formula Is All Screwed Up |
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Bigmack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
18. "You can't improve the schools.... |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 08:11 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. but that is partly my point |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 08:24 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. I think you are confusing the idea of a 'better educated child' with |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 08:41 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. all I am asking about is the targeting of the money |
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LizW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 08:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. What administrative matters do you consider expendable? |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:08 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. let's see... |
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LizW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:29 AM Response to Reply #39 |
66. Not every system has criminal issues. |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 03:12 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. I did not mean to imply ALL |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:12 PM Response to Reply #30 |
43. I agree that some admin. salaries are overblown. In some areas |
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cushla_machree (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:32 AM Response to Reply #30 |
93. pissing it away? |
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Bigmack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 08:47 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. How much of the "per pupil" cost... |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 08:54 AM Response to Reply #18 |
84. It's the same with nursing home aides and day care workers. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
22. It is lots of things |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
44. I'll blame the breakup of the family across the country |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
25. Funding is ONE major problem. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
27. Anti-intellectualism -- its hard to put a finger on it, but its there. |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
29. The major predictor of high test scores is the demographics of |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
33. thanks for all the input |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
35. Many of these points are valid... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
36. It's not a simple yes or no question |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
38. Some school systems are top-heavy with administration. |
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countingbluecars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
40. Underfunded-no question in my mind, |
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Snaggletooth (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
42. We have been throwing more money at the problem for decades... |
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otherlander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
45. I think that it would be better if schools were financed by |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
48. Public schools are reflections of the communities they serve |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
50. The system doesn't work |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
51. Can't speak for everyone else but in my neck of the woods |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 10:16 PM Response to Reply #51 |
63. Colorado has an especially tough time funding schools due to TABOR |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
57. Read "Savage Inequalities" by Jonathan Kozol |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 09:53 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. My favorite education book!! |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:14 AM Response to Reply #57 |
65. My contacts say the same thing |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 05:37 AM Response to Reply #57 |
72. I bring up NCLB in my post, #71 |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:24 AM Response to Reply #57 |
90. Bingo. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 01:35 AM Response to Original message |
68. Funding is NOT equal across the board... this causes huge |
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sutz12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 05:32 AM Response to Original message |
70. I think that 30 years of unrelenting attack from the right |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 05:34 AM Response to Original message |
71. Repair old buildings: ka-ching. Build new schools: ka-ching. Hire more... |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 06:45 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. then how do you respond to situations like the one I gave as an |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 07:46 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Google for "Christian Reconstructionists + public schools" & see who's |
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cushla_machree (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:52 AM Response to Reply #73 |
94. The old throw money is not the answer analogy I see |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 02:38 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. "Schools are not businesses" Thanks; I forgot to mention that |
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cushla_machree (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 05:59 PM Response to Reply #98 |
104. republicans think you can use the business model for schools |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 07:04 AM Response to Original message |
74. I teach in APS. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:57 AM Response to Reply #74 |
91. How often do middle school students arrive drunk or stoned? |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:13 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. it gets reported to the resource officer |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
77. Yes, they're all underfunded. |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
78. No. It's lack of support for teachers by parents, administrators, |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
82. Having spent my entire career (30+ years) in the system, here's my |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 03:30 PM Response to Reply #82 |
101. The primary difference between the private academies they attend |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
87. got a link to those numbers? |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
89. about those parents |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
97. Agreed. I worked a long term contract with the LA Unified School District |
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CabalPowered (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 06:12 PM Response to Reply #97 |
105. Most big California districts return Fed monies |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
103. The subversion of truth and knowledge |
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