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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 07:05 AM
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USA may put Special-Forces-led assassination or kidnapping teams in Iraq
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6802629/site/newsweek/

‘The Salvador Option’

WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Michael Hirsh and John Barry
Newsweek

Updated: 5:59 p.m. PT Jan 14, 2005

Jan. 8 - What to do about the deepening quagmire of Iraq? The Pentagon’s latest approach is being called "the Salvador option"—and the fact that it is being discussed at all is a measure of just how worried Donald Rumsfeld really is. "What everyone agrees is that we can’t just go on as we are," one senior military officer told NEWSWEEK. "We have to find a way to take the offensive against the insurgents. Right now, we are playing defense. And we are losing." Last November’s operation in Fallujah, most analysts agree, succeeded less in breaking "the back" of the insurgency—as Marine Gen. John Sattler optimistically declared at the time—than in spreading it out.

Now, NEWSWEEK has learned, the Pentagon is intensively debating an option that dates back to a still-secret strategy in the Reagan administration’s battle against the leftist guerrilla insurgency in El Salvador in the early 1980s. Then, faced with a losing war against Salvadoran rebels, the U.S. government funded or supported "nationalist" forces that allegedly included so-called death squads directed to hunt down and kill rebel leaders and sympathizers. Eventually the insurgency was quelled, and many U.S. conservatives consider the policy to have been a success—despite the deaths of innocent civilians and the subsequent Iran-Contra arms-for-hostages scandal. (Among the current administration officials who dealt with Central America back then is John Negroponte, who is today the U.S. ambassador to Iraq. Under Reagan, he was ambassador to Honduras. There is no evidence, however, that Negroponte knew anything about the Salvadoran death squads or the Iran-Contra scandal at the time. The Iraq ambassador, in a phone call to NEWSWEEK on Jan. 10, said he was not involved in military strategy in Iraq. He called the insertion of his name into this report "utterly gratuitous.")

Following that model, one Pentagon proposal would send Special Forces teams to advise, support and possibly train Iraqi squads, most likely hand-picked Kurdish Peshmerga fighters and Shiite militiamen, to target Sunni insurgents and their sympathizers, even across the border into Syria, according to military insiders familiar with the discussions. It remains unclear, however, whether this would be a policy of assassination or so-called "snatch" operations, in which the targets are sent to secret facilities for interrogation. The current thinking is that while U.S. Special Forces would lead operations in, say, Syria, activities inside Iraq itself would be carried out by Iraqi paramilitaries, officials tell NEWSWEEK. snip

Pentagon sources emphasize there has been no decision yet to launch the Salvador option. Last week, Rumsfeld decided to send a retired four-star general, Gary Luck, to Iraq on an open-ended mission to review the entire military strategy there. But with the U.S. Army strained to the breaking point, military strategists note that a dramatic new approach might be needed—perhaps one as potentially explosive as the Salvador option.

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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 07:09 AM
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1. And Salvador turned out SOOOO WELL
friggin' great..... what dipsh*ts
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 12:03 PM
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16. If you like dead babies, El Salvador was a total success
Why, they machine-gunned whole towns back in the day.

If they try doing this in Iraq, all 25 million (minus the 100,000 murdered) will rise up and slaughter us. Then go back to fighting among themselves.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 07:12 AM
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2. It was done in Nam too
and that also turned out so well.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 07:17 AM
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3. We americans have an ethical responsibility to not allow this
to happen, or at least to do everything in our power to stop this. We have the blood of Iraq on our hands, and if this report is accurate, our guilt is about to grow by an order of magnitude.

Operation phoenix, our assasination program in vietnam, murdered something like 60,000 people. The death squads we unleashed in latin america (not just el salvador) were responsible for thousands of deaths.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 07:17 AM
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4. SAVAK........
..........revisited. See, amongst other sites, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK

And the Shah's son reckons he's going to welcomed back to Iran.:rofl:

See also death squads in general : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_squad There are far more interesting and detailed links on the subject which cannot be posted here so suggest you do your own search.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 07:21 AM
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5. I think that started some time ago...(Taskforce 121)
MOVING TARGETS
Will the counter-insurgency plan in Iraq repeat the mistakes of Vietnam?
by SEYMOUR M. HERSH



The Bush Administration has authorized a major escalation of the Special Forces covert war in Iraq. In interviews over the past month, American officials and former officials said that the main target was a hard-core group of Baathists who are believed to be behind much of the underground insurgency against the soldiers of the United States and its allies. A new Special Forces group, designated Task Force 121, has been assembled from Army Delta Force members, Navy seals, and C.I.A. paramilitary operatives, with many additional personnel ordered to report by January. Its highest priority is the neutralization of the Baathist insurgents, by capture or assassination.

The revitalized Special Forces mission is a policy victory for Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who has struggled for two years to get the military leadership to accept the strategy of what he calls “Manhunts”—a phrase that he has used both publicly and in internal Pentagon communications. Rumsfeld has had to change much of the Pentagon’s leadership to get his way. “Knocking off two regimes allows us to do extraordinary things,” a Pentagon adviser told me, referring to Afghanistan and Iraq.

One step the Pentagon took was to seek active and secret help in the war against the Iraqi insurgency from Israel, America’s closest ally in the Middle East. According to American and Israeli military and intelligence officials, Israeli commandos and intelligence units have been working closely with their American counterparts at the Special Forces training base at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, and in Israel to help them prepare for operations in Iraq. Israeli commandos are expected to serve as ad-hoc advisers—again, in secret—when full-field operations begin. (Neither the Pentagon nor Israeli diplomats would comment. “No one wants to talk about this,” an Israeli official told me. “It’s incendiary. Both governments have decided at the highest level that it is in their interests to keep a low profile on U.S.-Israeli coöperation” on Iraq.) The critical issue, American and Israeli officials agree, is intelligence. There is much debate about whether targeting a large number of individuals is a practical—or politically effective—way to bring about stability in Iraq, especially given the frequent failure of American forces to obtain consistent and reliable information there.

Americans in the field are trying to solve that problem by developing a new source of information: they plan to assemble teams drawn from the upper ranks of the old Iraqi intelligence services and train them to penetrate the insurgency. The idea is for the infiltrators to provide information about individual insurgents for the Americans to act on. A former C.I.A. station chief described the strategy in simple terms: “U.S. shooters and Iraqi intelligence.” He added, “There are Iraqis in the intelligence business who have a better idea, and we’re tapping into them. We have to resuscitate Iraqi intelligence, holding our nose, and have Delta and agency shooters break down doors and take them”—the insurgents—“out.” MORE...

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?031215fa_fact

Do the names Negraponte and General Boykin ring a bell?

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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 07:24 AM
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7. Thank you.
I was about to post that I thought we were already doing these things but you were more informative!
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:22 PM
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26. And hope their intelligence source isn't a double agent...
Nothing like blowing up a house full of women and kids to set the tone....
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 05:06 AM
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27. They don't care who they blow up cause...
Gawd can do all the sorting later...
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 05:22 AM
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28. A 'Church' leader in Argentina
said something similar when asked about the innocents that were killed in the 'Dirty War', something about God having a place in heaven for them.

Any means to justify an end..
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 05:29 AM
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29. I'm sure that will tickle the shit out of their next targets...
Edited on Wed Jun-07-06 05:31 AM by Hubert Flottz
That "Gawd has a place for them." I think that when you're dead you're DEAD! FOREVER...Do not pass go do not collect shit!
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 07:24 AM
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6. If they are outwardly announcing it, it seems to me that they are already
doing it.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 12:22 PM
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19. The was the point of bringing Negroponte in for a year
subject matter expert
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 12:37 PM
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24. If anyone is a pro creating these attrocities, it's Negraponte.....
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 07:44 AM
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8. Is the Sunni "insurgency" the major problem anymore?
Since this article is from January 2005, I'd say we are now reaping the bitter harvest.
Iraq is now in a full blown civil war.

Shiite militas are now pursuing their own (and possibly Iran's) agenda.
People are being abducted and killed by the score on an almost daily basis.
And now Shiite factions are turning against coalition forces and the government
as Basra spins out of control.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:22 AM
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9. What! And pull them out of Venezuela?
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 10:55 AM
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10. Anything more current that rumors that are 16 months old?
The SOF guys go in ahead of every action. Nothing new there. That they are all over the middle east is not news. No indication since then that they are leading these kinds of ops.

This is old speculation at best
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:11 AM
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11. Peshmerga were brought in to slaughter the Sunnis in Fallujah
Just like the article suggests. That was well documented. Perhaps you missed it?

Don



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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:17 AM
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12. Democracy is ON THE MARCH!!!
Spreading freedom (using) one death squad at a time...
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:33 AM
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13. Kicked and Recommended
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:54 AM
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14. What the hell ever happened to...
Mission Accomplished?!!
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:56 AM
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15. Article is OVER A YEAR OLD!
Edited on Tue Jun-06-06 11:57 AM by grytpype
January 2005!

More recently, the kidnapping and assassination is being done by the Iraqis against other Iraqis.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 12:07 PM
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17. And it looks like the program is in full swing.


When you let them take this


this is what you are left with

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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 12:08 PM
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18. The Salvadore option?
These guys have no fucking shame.

The disappeared in Iraq...I wonder...Dirty war?
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 12:26 PM
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20. They did the same thing against Pablo Escobar.
Edited on Tue Jun-06-06 12:28 PM by Jara sang
Pablo was ruthless, he blew the shit out of everything, government officials, civilians, women and children. Everybody in the country was scared shitless of him and those that weren't scared were paid off by Escobar. The Colombian government, the U.S. Embassy and U.S Special Operations teams in country were powerless. Then they formed a coalition of Pablo's enemies mainly the Cali cartel and wealthy victims of Pablo's ruthlessness. This new coalition was just as ruthless as Pablo and targeted his family and associates(completely illegal by the way). They decimated his infrastructure. People with just a slight association with Pablo were kidnapped and killed as a message. So basicall the people that suffer in such situtaions are innocent bystanders.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 12:27 PM
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21. Negroponte
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 12:27 PM
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22. That was a great article and Hersh spoke in March 2005 that Spec Ops
were already running missions in Iran.

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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 12:28 PM
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23. As this story is almost a year and a half old,
Edited on Tue Jun-06-06 12:28 PM by Freddie Stubbs
One must wonder, did this actually happen?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 01:47 PM
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25. Look at post #11 n/t
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