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carl_pwccaman Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:13 PM
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Poll question: What's the basis of liberal morality?
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/10/27_lakoff.shtml

George Lakoff insists that re-framing the debate can disentangle discussions from Republican frames, and get a different message across. Certainly the way a moral issue is framed, makes a huge difference, and the avoidance of moral language can also make a difference.

What are Democratic or Liberal morals?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:19 PM
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1. I don't quite get the point of the poll
Of course we'll all pick the "stand up for fairness" option, rather than any of the Rush Limabugh "cartoon liberal" propaganda options.

But what does this prove?
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carl_pwccaman Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:30 PM
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6. Maybe Lakoff has a point on how issues are framed, then...
Part of my point was how easily framing could box people in, another was that this is how the rabid right frames moral issues.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:34 PM
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12. Ah, I see
So, it's just such an obvious answer, you're forced to choose it, right? And with no viable alternatives (at least, none given in an honest manner) the deal is sealed.
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carl_pwccaman Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 09:47 PM
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17. That and the choice I made for you all, was better than the others...
I did like that sensible option, there, it's a better moral focus than NOTHING!
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:21 PM
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2. Weird poll. I think at this point it is obvious Liberals stand up for the
morality of adults. Cons for the morality of children.
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brazil Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:22 PM
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3. Well...
"Spend everyone else's money, who cares if any good comes from it or not"...

How much money, time, and stress will this whole gay-marriage-flag-burning-distraction COST? How many hours are spent by how many people dealing with it? At what average hourly rate? Including the time it takes me to write this little message?

It would be nice to be able to put a dollar figure to all the time and money spent by the Republicans on these non-issues... so that come October, we can say, "you spent X thousands of dollars and Y% of your time on the job trying to push an amendment that will never pass. What kind of fiscal responsibility is that? How can you call yourself a conservative?"
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carl_pwccaman Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:31 PM
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8. Excellent!
Good reply!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:36 PM
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13. Now THERE's some good framing
Somebody hire this person to write Democratic ads.
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:24 PM
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4. None of the above.
The basis for liberal "morals", secular humanism, is essentially the Golden Rule - "Do unto others, as you would have done unto yourself".

Most of us would not like to be left to starve with no way to make a living, so we build homeless shelters and create jobs programs.

Most of us don't like our neighbors shaking our walls at 4 am with loud music, so we pass noise ordinances.

etc. etc.


Oh, and add in a little bit of "Your rights end where mine begin".
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carl_pwccaman Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:33 PM
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10. But with so many options, not enough choices? :)
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:29 PM
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5. Matthew 22:34-40.
Edited on Tue Jun-06-06 08:29 PM by Brigid
That's Democratic or liberal morals. They're certainly not conservative morals.

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carl_pwccaman Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:33 PM
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11. GASP, you mean the Bible might not be Republican (or Democrat)
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:43 PM
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16. Yes, something like that.
And check out Micah 6:8 too. ;)
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:31 PM
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7. I get the poll. And what people are voting for
should be our frame.
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carl_pwccaman Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:32 PM
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9. We can certainly frame things differently and better, yes!
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:41 PM
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14. in one word, compassion, same as the historical basis of all religions
although who would ever know these days.

All of today's major religions started in the Axial age (900-200 BCE) as a response to the brutality of the age. Compassion was essential for self preservation, hence all religions were based on it.

How far we've fallen.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:42 PM
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15. Maybe the Golden Rule. nt
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