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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 04:17 AM
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Marty Report: Europe 'aided US in CIA flights' - BBC
Last Updated: Wednesday, 7 June 2006, 07:41 GMT 08:41 UK

Europe 'aided US in CIA flights'

Fourteen European states colluded with the CIA in secret US flights
for terror suspects, a report by Europe's human rights watchdog is
due to conclude.

The document will be presented to the Council of Europe by Swiss MP
Dick Marty after a seven-month inquiry.

An advance copy seen by the BBC says there is also evidence to support
suspicions that secret CIA camps are or were located in Poland and Romania.

The two countries have strongly denied the allegation in the past.
<snip>

Full article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5054426.stm

Also: From logistics to turning a blind eye: Europe's role in terror abductions - The Guardian
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 05:02 AM
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1. They had to...permission was needed to land
How does it land at airports without permission? You can land, and as long as the flight is quarantined(no one gets off or on the plane), you do not have to detail what your cargo is...but you still have to have permission to land. And just how stupid am I supposed to believe those countries are that a ghost plane from a foreign government, carrying unregistered cargo, can request to land, quarantine itself, re-supply itself, and then take off for parts unknown without the host airport asking questions? without wondering? without suspecting?

"Other countries ignored them knowingly, or did not want to know."

Plausible deniability is just covering your own ass.





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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 06:07 AM
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3. They say that there is no right to question what's on refuelling aircraft
and that might actually be true. Consider another recent case: an Israeli general was coming to the UK for a lecture of similar, and a British human rights group got a warrant for his arrest to do with what he'd done in Palestine. The Israeli embassy heard about the warrant, turned up at Heathrow airport, and boarded the plane to advise him not to get off. Though police were waiting with the warrant to arrest him when he got off, they weren't allowed to board the plane to do it; so he stayed on it, it refuelled, and returned to Israel.

I expect someone in authority assumed there could be abductees on the planes, but it would seem to be standard practice that you don't have to give a list of people or cargo on a plane if it's just refuelling. Since not every CIA flight will have abductees on board, at any one time you can get away with saying "I presume it has CIA personnel on board" - even if it's going to or coming from Afghanistan. It's only when you get a complete list of the plane movements as this report has done that you can say a flight was probably used to move those the CIA had kidnapped.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 06:30 AM
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4. A quarantined plane is one where it's just refueling or making a
Edited on Wed Jun-07-06 06:31 AM by Solly Mack
stop that does not involve assistance from the host airport...and the cargo ( which includes people) does not have to be made known...so not asking for a manifest is SOP. I know this to be true. Calling such a flight "quarantined" is just military slang for a secured flight (no one boards..no one gets off)...I used the the military slang. Though even on a secured flight, passengers can leave the plane and go into a secured area..(without revealing their identities)...but that's another story. Course, leaving the plane could be a part of the "staging process" mentioned in the article.

Even still...the pattern itself would raise questions I would think...but then maybe I'm just suspicious. A known flight plan...start/destination...would heighten the speculation...seems to me.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 05:54 AM
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2. Front page on BBC too
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5054426.stm

Any denial by the UK Goverment is as good as saying they don't know who is flying in and out of the UK. Fat chance they've got of catching any would be terrorists.
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