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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 03:58 PM
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My Dinner with Ambassador Wilson last night...
Edited on Wed Jun-07-06 04:03 PM by PCIntern
As a clinician, I have had the opportunity to meet people to whom I would never have been introduced in ten thousand years. It is the nature of my occupation that makes it as appealing as it is at this life stage, because the entire health care establishment is circling with some fair degree of coriolus force in the toilet as far as I’m concerned.

It was with some surprise however, when a patient of mine contacted me and asked if I would wish to join her and her group for a ‘small, private dinner’ with Joseph Wilson. In the milliseconds before I almost literally jumped at the chance I remember a certain silence and stillness in the room – that it was almost unbelievable that this opportunity would arise. The dinner was scheduled to be in Philadelphia’s only 5 star restaurant and if for no other reason, I really needed an excuse to have a meal there – rationalizations are always necessary when it comes to these things and these large dollar donations. I am a cynic by nature, but if there were one true ‘hero’ of the years since the recount of 2000, it was this individual, and it would be less than honorable to decline if for no other reason than to pay homage to someone who really risked it all in the name of American Righteousness. Years ago, I had met with Eliot Richardson post-Watergate and he was another who had risen above the fray to at long last, do the right thing.

Last night was no disappointment. First of all, unbelievably, I was seated at a table for seven, directly across from Ambassador (call me Joe) Wilson. Understand this: he is as charismatic, deft, witty, charming, and obviously brilliantly competent as he appears on the television, with the exception that he is even more so. Now clearly, much of this is practiced, for I am certain that he answers the same fifty questions daily, but he is really – and I am a child of the fifties, so many of you won’t necessarily understand the real meaning of the word – really cool. Believe me, the word has evolved, but I’m talking about the beat generation definition of cool.

My take on him is that he is a meticulously rehearsed, guarded, brilliant guy who is aware of the nuances of every single utterance which left his mouth. You would expect this from a career diplomat of course, but his responses to asides which people made to him were crafted to allow you to realize that he’s bright, and you are to know that he’s that bright, but it’s acceptable in his case because he is someone who clearly, is in command of the truth. More on that later, of course.

To make a long story shorter, he spoke to us after the order and before the appetizers were served. He stated, and I’m paraphrasing because I was absolutely not going to record this conversation out of respect to him, that the country is careening towards repression of a massively frightening nature, that the Republican Party - in his words one fo the two great parties in the country, has been hijacked by this radical element; that the attempt at personal destruction of him and his family was in fact personal, and he regarded it as such. He was pretty witty at times, he referred to an aunt of his as Mrs. John Birch, and she’s off his Christmas card list because she sided with Bush in 2004; he referred to Bush not as stupid, but as “bright, in a feral way”, which I thought was terrific. He asked for questions around the room, and gave very long, involved answers, some of which were included in his books or heard on TV almost verbatim. He asked for “THE question” – everybody looked at everybody else, so I went out on a limb and said, “OK, we haven't heard much from Bob Novak lately. Any personal thoughts about him, by any chance?” He was pleased with the question – I think – and stated that the reason that Novak did asserted neither his 5th amendment rights nor his 1st amendment rights was that he would have wound up indicted, or in jail with Judy Miller. Rather, he sang like a bird and answered ‘every question’ that Pat Fitzgerald put to him. He seemed to imply, although I can’t say for sure that he stated, that there were going to be more indictments coming down the pike.

Someone asked him why Rumsfeld and the others would like about something which really didn’t matter so much – I can’t remember what exactly – and he said that these guys lie about everything, “just to keep in shape”. Really brought the house down.

Importantly, someone asked him, “What can WE do about all this?” and his response was to continuously and without fail petition the representatives in congress no matter what their previous affiliation or party is, no matter how they voted or sucked up (my words) to the Administration in the past. Once they get wind that there’s a seismic shift, they will have to respond or run the risk of losing, no matter how safe a district. They could be ousted the implication was, via their own primary defeats as we have seen in PA (not a good thing I might add – because it’s the wingers taking over from the moderates), or in the general election. Either way, change is brought about by the people, and he quoted a great man, and I don’t want to get the citation wrong and I don’t have time to research it now, but it could have been Jefferson, who stated that he was never afraid of the People,

On other subjects, he remarked that he wasn’t getting much sleep since he and his wife have the 6 year-old twins, and his writing was very early in the AM before they got up; that his wife – and this was in response to a question – did not ‘retire’ from the CIA, she left after 20 years and will have to wait until 56 to collect her pension.; that he is still intensely interested in Africa and expounded at length on the remarkable Continent wherein the people carry on with good humor despite the bad ruler which many have had to have endured for the past 400 years or so.

One interesting comment he made was that the Iraqis have remarkable memories – the are still angry at the fall of the Caliph some 600 years ago (may have been 400, but what’s the difference?) and are vengeful. What are they going to be saying about us 600 years from now? Also that as far as Israeli-Palestinian relations go, if there had been someone besides Arafat, and that if they had been able to bring in the Saudis, Jordanians, and Egyptians on site – for you need to have your allies present during these meetings - in order to assure the Palestinians that they would be preserved as a people, and at the same time the US demonstrated as it always should, that this negotiation is not the first step in pushing the Israelis into the sea, then these talks would have worked better – that Israel must know that it has never in its history had a better friend than the US and that will always be true, that this was critical to the success of talks there.

He stated this in a matter-of –fact manner and that he was totally in command of all kinds of arcane details. Remarkable.

For my part, besides the Novak question, I mentioned that I had just seen Matthews (didn’t call him Tweety) suck up to Trent Lott right before I had left my office. I asked what happened to the adversarial press? He replied that it was all about ratings and Matthews himself had been overheard saying that. So if Hillary-bashing garners greater ratings, then so be it. I had alluded in my question to a notion that there was a lot of, shall we say, male fawning in Matthews, but he chose to ignore that aspect – he heard it all right, but he let it go and I didn’t press.

Also, he responded diplomatically to other queries at the table, with responses which we have all heard on network television, so I won’t go into that.

At the presentation at the University of the Arts, held at Broad and Pine Streets, he had a pretty good, but not sell-out crowd. My guess would be 350-400 or so. The moderator, a local guy who’s bright but not brilliant, basically asked him to refute the three major reasons why the Right wing says that Wilson twisted the truth. He did so effectively and completely, and people applauded him often, which he didn’t mind too much. It was quite an evening, to say the least.

One post-script – he was saying early on that he wanted to be known less as Mr. Valerie Plame, so I said impulsively: “ I read somewhere that you’re the most famous husband since Desi Arnaz.” He smiled and said, “I’d read that too. And fortunately, I laughed” So I said to him, “I guess that means I can still sit here, right?” And he laughed and nodded. At least I think he nodded.

ON EDIT: HE also, when queried about Hilly's run, stated thathe thought that someone who had been thru a campaign, ashillary had as a spouse, against the Republicans would be more successful than someone who had not. That she was a veteran of two of these campaigns and would be able to hit back as it were. soemeone in the dinner audience suggested that that was also true for Kerry. He allowed as that was true, and then made a remark, as he was leaving, that Gore, in his opinion, was NOT going to run again.

I hope this hastily 'scribbled' post gives you an idea of the evening. I would be happy to fill in details, but it’s been a long two days and I’m exhausted from work.

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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 04:01 PM
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1. Congrats to you. Sounds like a fine time and a good meeting.
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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 04:03 PM
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2. Great post.
It's good to hear that he thinks more indictments are coming down from Fitz.

Sounds like you had a great evening. Thanks for giving us the details!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 04:05 PM
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3. Thank you for sharing this story.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 04:08 PM
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4. Great!
Thanks for sharing this with us.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 04:10 PM
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5. Thank you so much for sharing.
What an incredible experience this must have been for you. One to treasure for years to come, I'm sure. I'm so jealous. My meeting Randi for 5 minutes pales so much in comparison to this!

(No offense, Randi -- I still love you, but come on....)
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 04:14 PM
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8. The funny thing is...
Edited on Wed Jun-07-06 04:16 PM by PCIntern
so many people in my practice called me today to find out how it went, I couldn't get much work done. It was just terrific, but for some reason I was apprehensive beforehand. This is really a make-or-break time for this country and this fellow is still, IMO, critical to the success of the movement.
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 04:12 PM
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6. Wow, you actually met and talked to Joe Wilson??!! I'm in awe!! That....
....is so cool. No questions here, you pretty much covered everything.

Oops, if I'd have had the chance I would have asked, how we can go about getting rid of the neocons/fundies once and for all.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 08:27 PM
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26. Yeah I know what you mean but
it's not the kind of question that you ask a guy like this. He's not interested in removal, it's more like the establishment of the right folks in their place, not the Soprano-esque removal from the scene. That would take care of itself if we were headed in the right direction.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 04:12 PM
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7. Thanks for sharing this
Interesting read.

Joe Wilson is the type of person who needs to be back in the government in some capacity once the clowns have been removed.
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Dyedinthewoolliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 04:23 PM
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9. But what I want to really know is
what did you order for dinner? :)
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 04:40 PM
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11. I knew someone would ask:
Coquille St. Jacques
Boulliabase
Creme Brulee

He ordered in decent French - his accent is OK, more Belgian than Parisian...But who cares?
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reichstag911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:10 AM
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51. Two questions:
Edited on Thu Jun-08-06 10:14 AM by reichstag911
1) What's the 5-star restaurant in Philly? Is it still Le Bec Fin?

2) University of the Arts at Broad and Pine...Is that the old, red-brick Academy of Music buiding?

PS I met Amb. Wilson back when he did a book tour for The Politics of Truth a couple years back, and he was quite impressive.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:20 AM
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52. Answers:
1. Yes
2. The old Jewish Community Center taken over by U Arts.
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reichstag911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:00 PM
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56. Reply:
Thanx! I'm surprised Le Bec Fin is still around, and still revered for its cuisine. I never actually made it there while I was at Penn, but it was the standard place to be mentioned by college students on a budget talking about the fine dining we enjoyed at the University dining halls. And for the life of me, I can't remember the cross street where the Academy of Music used to be (still is?), Broad & Walnut? Spruce?
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:18 PM
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57. Broad and Locust...
Thus "The Academy House", 1420 Locust Street.

When did you finish Penn? I used to teach there...and was a student of course. You don't get on the faculty unless you went to Penn or better...that's why the teaching faculty was..well, what it was.
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reichstag911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:24 PM
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58. W' 85.
Hard to believe I'm a Democrat, but with these clowns, who could be a Repuke?
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:54 PM
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59. There were always lots of Wharton Dems...
they were scared into submission by the College Rethugs, and afraid to open their mouths in class, because they thought the professors were Rwers. Many were centrist, most were actually the old-fashioned conservative of live and let live, and didn't give a tinker's damn what anyone thought politically, as long as they did their freaking work.

Many libs in the dental and medical and vet school. It- the dental school- was a hotbed of activism and we used to shout down the RWers who were a distinct minority in the health professions schools. I can't say that that's still true - I've been gone for a while - but we ruled the roost in the good old days.
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reichstag911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:20 AM
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60. When did you go through,...
...and which school(s)?
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 03:52 PM
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61. Thru Dental School
in late 70's
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 04:39 PM
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10. ...bright, in a feral way. That's priceless. I assume that category
includes jackals, hyenas, skunks, etc.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 05:04 PM
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13. He said it sotto voce
probably thought no one heard or understood it...he says stuff and then looks around for your recognition...or not. Interesting...what a card player he must be...
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:14 PM
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34. It is one of the best insights I have ever heard regarding Bush
Thanks for sharing it.
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 04:41 PM
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12. Fantastic account!
Bravo! How lucky you were to be able to dine with the Ambassador. Thank you so much for sharing your experiences with us. I can so easily envision is career-diplomat persona.
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Minnesota_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 05:08 PM
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14. Thanks for sharing...you lucky devil.
:toast:
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 05:12 PM
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15. Awesome, thank you for sharing!
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 05:49 PM
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16. self-kick for the after-dinner crowd....
sorry mods. so shoot me...
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 06:25 PM
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18. my question...
Did anyone ask him whether he would consider running for office? Or whether he would accept another diplomatic post in a Democratic Administration?
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 04:08 AM
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41. Actually, yes
He is often asked that, he said, and of course, he demurred, and deflected the notion to who shold be running for President.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:02 AM
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49. wasn't really thinking Pres...
That's outta his reach and he would know it. More like Senator or Rep in his home state... though does he live in Washington? Would he have considered another diplomatic mission to Africa or perhaps Secretary of State? That'd be a dream...

Lucky person you! He'd surely be in my top ten for who to have dinner with! (though maybe not if you were allowed to include people like Shakespeare, or Thoreau... y'know the dead and goners)
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:07 AM
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50. I understand and agree with you...
but you know how it is in the US - if you hit a home run in the World Series, people think you should run for President - we're a little weird with this stuff in this country.
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TheCentepedeShoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 05:57 PM
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17. Thank you for sharing
your experience. And I like the "bright in a feral way" remark too.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 06:31 PM
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19. You had dinner with Mike??

And here I was thinking that probably not one USAmerican in a billion could even name the Canadian Ambassador to the United States!

Oh ... never mind. ;)

(Sorry, just couldn't resist. And that really was my first thought!)

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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 07:28 PM
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24. You Canadian, eh?
I understand that * is going to sever diplomatic relations with you and build a big wall soon.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 06:43 PM
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20. Great job.
Joe Wilson is one of the few fascinating good guys in American life today. Lucky for you to get what would have been a candid moment, if he weren't so good at what he does. Not disappointing though, I speak to small groups all the time, and I find that with retelling, my answers become more polished, and may seem rehearsed, but my aim is for clarity.

Too bad Valerie couldn't come along. I've heard plenty from Joe, and I am a fan, but I'd love to hear what she has to say.

--IMM
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 06:51 PM
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21. Excellent account of your
Edited on Wed Jun-07-06 06:53 PM by zidzi
fantasic dinner with Joe Wilson! Thank you!

He comes under the heading of "you never know what life is going to hand us"!.. 6 year twins and a wife who had to resign from the CIA and not get her pension until she turns 56!

I saw Ambassador Wilson on tv before I ever saw a picture of Valerie Plame so I always thought of them as separate entities.

And to think Joe Wilson used to be a republican.

spelling~
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 06:53 PM
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22. Fantastic :)
Thank you for sharing.

:gives you a present of a time machine so you can go back in time and say 'So, about this Leopold business that Larry Johnson says you confirmed...:

(running)
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Tin Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 07:12 PM
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23. Thanks for the great post !
I'm sure it took a little while to write such a detailed account of your evening - the effort is greatly appreciated!
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 07:38 PM
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25. Awesome post, thanks!
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 08:35 PM
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27. US careening towards repression of a massively frightening nature...
That is what stood out for me... and this:

“What can WE do about all this?” and his response was to continuously and without fail petition the representatives in congress no matter what their previous affiliation or party is, no matter how they voted or sucked up (my words) to the Administration in the past. Once they get wind that there’s a seismic shift, they will have to respond or run the risk of losing, no matter how safe a district."

:kick:
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 08:40 PM
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28. Yes and
let me just say that I am paraphrasing my interpretaiton of his words...I don't pretend to be able to quote him, but I think I have been pretty accurate.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:07 PM
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33. I underestand - and it jumps out at me because we can see
around us the markers - NSA tracking phone calls & probably internet activity of 'suspect groups', Patriot Act, Gonzalez' warning that journalists can be sent to jail, and so forth...
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 08:42 PM
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29. That was a fun account. Thanks!
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 08:51 PM
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30. Thank you for letting me be there vicariously!
Great post.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 08:59 PM
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31. Thank you for taking us to dinner with you!
A lifetime event! :applause:

Looking forward to JW's next book.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:03 PM
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32. He would make a good leader.
We haven't had too many statesmen go into politics lately.

Too bad he can't run for Congress or the Senate where he lives.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:15 PM
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35. Thanks for sharing with us your lovely evening with Wilson.
Got any pics? :-)
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:19 PM
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36. What an incredibly well-written replay - thank you so much -
I actually feel honored to have read this here.

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globalcitizen Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 09:53 PM
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37. the question he was looking for
I think maybe he was expecting to be asked if Karl Rove is about to be indicted.

Excellent post - I love hearing about these people that we see on TV and what they're saying elsewhere! thanks for sharing.
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 10:05 PM
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38. Thoroughly enjoyable read - thanks n/t
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 10:19 PM
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39. great story, and thanks for sharing
sounds like you had a wonderful and enlightening meeting with Joe Wilson.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 11:53 PM
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40. I figured Mr. Valerie Plame would be above
all this crap over who in the marriage is more high-powered than the other, but from what you said, I guess not.

Disappointing...but after all he is the nephew of Pete Wilson, prior Republican Governor of California.

Sure hope the twins grow up to be Dems....just to piss off the clan.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 05:31 AM
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43. I think he was just being funny...
he was smiling the entire time.

Look, I was raised by a single remale parent long before it was in vogue. I am as egalitarain and sensitive to these issues when real as anyone, but I don't believe that he was doing anything but relating a story which we all knew to be true - that is he re-emerged on the scene due to the sensitivity and importance of his wife's position at the CIA. There was not a single person in the room, I'm sure, who felt as though he believed that his wife needed to subordinate to him. Truth be told, if you think about it, his whole reaction - the wingers would say OVER-reaction to this was the protection of his wife and the righteous indignation of having her put at risk in every fashion.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 05:09 AM
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42. Many thanks!
Great post, I enjoyed every word. How exciting this must have been for you! Thanks so much for taking the time to write this, adding some fabulous quality to an otherwise often pathetic GD.

:toast: Julie
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307 MMS Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 07:56 AM
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44. Dinner
Thanks for an excellent read. Almost felt like I was there. Joe Wilson, true patriot. Now, why can't more of these types speak up and out? I mean, what have they got to lose.....except the damn country!!!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 08:00 AM
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45. I so respect this fascinating man! One of the few heroes of these dark
times - when this country is showing the world its very worst...
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 08:07 AM
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46. interestingly,
he thanked me when I met him and told him that I considered his behavior under the circumstances 'heroic'. he then deried the use of that word during his speech, but quite honestly, it is a somewhat false modesty. The fact of the matter is that he knows exactly what he's done and his statements that he did what a good citizen should do for his or her country ring true as well. It's just that being self-effacing is so much, well, COOLER.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 08:47 AM
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48. As well he should. He was well aware of the scope of his actions
as well as the chances he took - since he knew this bunch better than any of us. I do not bestow the word "hero" lightly either. And, yeah, "cool" is a good word for his demeanor - my reaction to him exactly (and I only saw him on teevee)
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 08:18 AM
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47. Really cool.
Thanks for taking me along.
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:27 AM
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53. Congratulations!
I am so jealous. And I am stoked you threw in the quip about Desi Arnaz.
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colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:33 AM
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54. Thank you so much for sharing this.
I felt as though I had lived the experience with you. Thank you for inviting us all!
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SodoffBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 01:16 PM
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55. Damn. Thanks a bunch! I'll keep driving on!
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