READ MY LIPS AGAIN! Illegal immigrants DO NOT VOTE!!!

The Dems have fallen for the greatest Rovian strategy yet: The fake issue of Rethugs running aganist the President on immigration. Good cop, bad cop and Dems just don't fucking get it!! Believe me, if Bush were running for President now, his position would be entirely different. The Dems we have running just don't get this. Illegal immigration is the new "segration or die" issue for the voting bigots of this country AND for people who are not necessarily bigots but whose sense of fairness and justice guides them AND for people who have been or who, at least, think they have been hurt by illegal immigration. It really astounds me that many here at DU will flame and me and others who are sincerely trying to point this out. It's the one issue that trumps the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq. And if the MAJORITY of Americans don't feel that way, they had damn well better get out and vote in November.

Is that what you're espousing? I suppose you could say the same about gays.
Should we start bashing them too? Perhaps we should start espousing a "prayer in the schools amendment" or join Hillary in pushing an "anti-flag burning amendment".

All of these gems resonate out there in the hustings. Maybe they'll catapult us into the White House. But what will we have become in the process?

is to be smart about the issue. It is NOT a winner for Dems at this time. In fact, it sucks the political energy out of all the issues Dems had going for them including Iraq. The Dems position should be that we must find a way to protect the American worker, hold employers of illegals accountable, force sanctions on some employers, huge fines, send illegals who are felons back home (no matter from where they come), ensure that there is some kind of contribution to health care from the countries where illegals come (foreign aid cuts, etc.). Dems don't have to attack illegals personally unless they are felons, members of gangs, etc. We can keep the conversation on a level of being FOR the American worker, against the LACK of enforcement of laws already on the books.

We point out that the Repuks have not provide any true security for America or boards,our ports, our health system, our social and economic security.

because they have allowed the Repuks to appear to be on the side of most americans on the Issue of ILLEGAL immigrants. WAKE UP

justice. If we aren't for that, then what are we for? Then we're just like them. YOU WAKE UP

Unless you think we can take back our government by sporting actives that is against the law.

being condemned to the galleys, as Javert believed in Les Miserables?

And a Mexican with no hope and condemned to a lifetime of poverty in his home country should be treated as a criminal because he sneaks across the border for a chance at a better life? We differ on our concepts of justice.

All laws should be obeyed? Would you say that Rosa Parks should have been jailed for refusing to sit in the blacks-only section of her Montgomery, Alabama bus?

watch how many votes Dem get buy supporting open boarders and kiss this country good by as the right wing keeps the house on this issue this is not the ground to fight on it is just what KR wants us to do so they divert attention away from the real problems they have created

And they're damn important.

"Illegal immigration is the new "segregation or die" issue for the voting bigots of this country AND for people who are not necessarily bigots but whose sense of fairness and justice guides them"

I certainly don't believe I'm a bigot even thought Illegal immigration is probably the one factor that I tend to agree with, with the Repugs.
I know WAY to many folks who came to this country the legal and Hard way....and they feel the same as I do.
If you are not here Legally ...Get out.
The idea of offering some person or persons Amnesty is bullshit (with Me)

In fact..one of my Legal friends put it this way...

"Oh..I see..if you commit a crime yesterday than it's more illegal than if you committed it 5 years ago."

I Agree.

that are here?

I think it's easy to NOT think of the future of this country....in as..if we don't draw the line once and for all, we'll always have the same problem.
Would sending people back to their country be harsh?..You bet.. but 10/100 years from now, it would make things a lot easier.

..2 years?
I certainly would not just "throw them to the Wolves"

Look..I know I'm coming across as cruel..but (again) I'm trying to think of future Generations..not just the ones alive now,,

I do think immigration is a trumped up issue that is of vital importance only to a small percentage of the electorate--never mind the Lou Dobbs internet polls!

The most enlightening article I saw was from USA Today (it was on a recent thread around here somewhere) that showed a pretty even four-way split: One-quarter wants to throw 'em all out, one-quarter thinks they should stay because they contribute, one-quarter has mixed feelings, and one-quarter doesn't give a shit.

I think we will lost the votes of the 25%, but then again, most of them are Bush people anyway.

Interestingly, it is low-education workers who are most opposed to illegal immigration. They also are one of the lowest voting groups...

and I am not flaming you, I just don't agree.

The backwash base or racist gap-toothed f*cks will not be voting for the donkey for a whole host of reasons.
I suggest that equal marriage is near the top of the freeptard hit list. But the fight for equal marriage is the donkey's fight. Why? Because our best and brightest have left us a legacy of caring for the common good. From FDR to Barney Frank and Dennis Kucinich, we, as Democrats look first to the human aspect of these sorts of problems, rather than stroking the corporate master.

The latino voting block is large and of importance to the party, and we should be
aware of, and to the extent possible, responsive to their concerns.

The tyranny of the majority is the NeoCon strategy, and it is showing signs of
fracturing badly over the triple whammy of warmongering, waste/fraud, and failure
to secure the public good.

Those issues drive off all but the hateful and psychotic.
And even if we could get the fag-basher vote, would we want it,
seeing how **'s ties to the climate change deniers and so called intelligent design factions have caused him
to fight anything that smacks of the 20th century, never mind the 21st.

So I say that we need to spend a lot of time crafting our policy vis a vis undocumented aliens
and the economic uses to which they are being put.

Fairness and justice goes both ways in this situation, and everyone has been hurt by illegal immigration, except the cheap labor Republicans.

Last I read, 75% of hispanics voted democratic in the last presidential election.

Now, sure, that's not the 90% of African Americans, but it's certainly not "mostly republican."

56% to 44%.

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It is customary, when making a statement, for the one espousing a position to back it up with evidence. The onus shouldn't be on someone else to prove it's false.

The moon is made of Camembert! There, I've said it! Prove I'm wrong!

Not so much, no.

To me this is like saying "there are two kinds of people who are against gay marriage, the homophobes and the people who aren't homophobes. This is so unfair to those of us who are against gay marriage for legitimate reasons."

REPUBLICANS control the entire government, so if they have some kind of problem, they can't exactly pin it on these softhearted progressives!