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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 06:48 AM
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Anti-Abortion Caller on C-Span just now stated
that 30,000 babies in America each day are sacrificed to the God of the Godless.

For some reason, I can't believe that there have EVER been that many abortions per day performed in this country. Anybody know where I can get accurate information regarding the number of legal abortions performed?
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LiberalPartisan Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 06:53 AM
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1. Who needs truth when fiction helps make the argument
Soooooo much easier!!!
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 06:54 AM
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2. Here's a report from one source in 2005
Edited on Thu Jun-08-06 07:00 AM by theHandpuppet
http://www.guttmacher.org/media/nr/2005/05/19/index.html

Thursday, May 19th, 2005

DECADES-LONG DECLINE IN NUMBER AND RATE OF U.S. ABORTIONS CONTINUES, NEW ANALYSIS SHOWS

A new analysis from The Alan Guttmacher Institute shows that U.S. abortion rates continued to decline in 2001 and 2002, although the rate of decline has slowed since the early 1990s. The Institute estimates that 1,303,000 abortions took place in the United States in 2001—0.8% fewer than the 1,313,000 in 2000. In 2002, the number of abortions declined again, to 1,293,000, or another 0.8%. The rate of abortion also declined, from 21.3 procedures per 1,000 women aged 15–44 in 2000 to 21.1 in 2001 and 20.9 in 2002.

Since 1973, the Guttmacher Institute has estimated the number of abortions performed in the United States by periodically conducting a census of all known abortion providers. The most recent survey reported on abortions in 2000. Since that time, limited national abortion incidence data have been available. Yet demands for more recent data, resulting in part from media reports, opinion pieces and public speeches speculating that abortion has increased as a result of Bush administration policies, have prompted the Institute to analyze available government data as an interim measure until another provider census can be conducted....


So the caller is, of course, ignorant. At a rate of 30,000 abortions per day there would be 3,000,000 abortions every 100 days which, if you figure that out over 165 days, would be nearly four times the number actually performed in an entire year.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 06:54 AM
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3.  Number of abortions per day: Approximately 3,700
Edited on Thu Jun-08-06 06:57 AM by notadmblnd
http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html

edited to add more interesting facts

Who's having abortions (age)?
52% of women obtaining abortions in the U.S. are younger than 25: Women aged 20-24 obtain 32% of all abortions; Teenagers obtain 20% and girls under 15 account for 1.2%.

Who's having abortions (race)?
While white women obtain 60% of all abortions, their abortion rate is well below that of minority women. Black women are more than 3 times as likely as white women to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are roughly 2 times as likely.

Who's having abortions (marital status)?
64.4% of all abortions are performed on never-married women; Married women account for 18.4% of all abortions and divorced women obtain 9.4%.

Who's having abortions (religion)?
Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as "Born-again/Evangelical".

Who's having abortions (income)?
Women with family incomes less than $15,000 obtain 28.7% of all abortions; Women with family incomes between $15,000 and $29,999 obtain 19.5%; Women with family incomes between $30,000 and $59,999 obtain 38.0%; Women with family incomes over $60,000 obtain 13.8%.

Why women have abortions
1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).

At what gestational ages are abortions performed:
52% of all abortions occur before the 9th week of pregnancy, 25% happen between the 9th & 10th week, 12% happen between the 11th and 12th week, 6% happen between the 13th & 15th week, 4% happen between the 16th & 20th week, and 1% of all abortions (16,450/yr.) happen after the 20th week of pregnancy.

Likelihood of abortion:
An estimated 43% of all women will have at least 1 abortion by the time they are 45 years old. 47% of all abortions are performed on women who have had at least one previous abortion.

Abortion coverage:
48% of all abortion facilities provide services after the 12th week of pregnancy. 9 in 10 managed care plans routinely cover abortion or provide limited coverage. About 14% of all abortions in the United States are paid for with public funds, virtually all of which are state funds. 16 states (CA, CT, HI, ED, IL, MA , MD, MD, MN, MT, NJ, NM, NY, OR, VT, WA and WV) pay for abortions for some poor women.
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SunDrop23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 06:59 AM
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4. And it is none of that caller's business? The host should have asked...
"How many children have you adopted?"
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 07:00 AM
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5. It's A Made Up Number
That's >10 million per year. Multiply that by the 30 years since Roe v. Wade, and you get a number greater than the entire population of the United States.

It's just a preposterous lie.
The Professor
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 07:00 AM
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6. Dupe
Edited on Thu Jun-08-06 07:02 AM by ProfessorGAC
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 07:01 AM
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7. rough figures
Very roughly, there have been about 1 million abortions a year performed in the US over the last quite a few years. The number has declined somewhat in recent years.

This is dated May 2006:

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html

INCIDENCE OF ABORTION

Nearly half of pregnancies among American women are unintended, and four in 10 of these are terminated by abortion.

Twenty-four percent of all pregnancies (excluding miscarriages) end in abortion.

In 2002, 1.29 million abortions took place, down from 1.36 million in 1996. From 1973 through 2002, more than 42 million legal abortions occurred.

Each year, two out of every 100 women aged 15-44 have an abortion; 48% of them have had at least one previous abortion.
Well, that's just up to 2002.

Since the USAmerican anti-choice brigade usually only counts little USAmerican fetuses in its numbers, that would make 3,534 abortions/day.

It would also make 42 million women living today (well, except for those who had died of complications of pregnancy or delivery, or as a result of the various factors associated with early/unwanted childbearing that reduce women's life expectancy) with the misery of having had to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term and having a child they did not want or could not reasonably care for. But who cares?

Perhaps the caller was being all internationalist and counting little French fetuses and little fetuses of a different colour.

In 1999, Joyce Arthur said:

http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/civilize.html

Abortion is probably the world's most common surgical procedure. About 46 million abortions are performed every year, 20 million of them illegal. Abortion is practiced widely by women all over the world, across all social classes, and regardless of laws against abortion. Since the beginning of recorded history, abortion has been commonly practiced by almost all societies, including ancient China, Egypt, Greece, Rome, and countless others. In fact, abortion could be called a fundamental aspect of human behaviour.

But because abortion is still illegal or restricted in many countries today, two out of every five abortions in the world are performed unsafely -- by an untrained provider or in an unclean setting. Every year, about 78,000 women die from unsafe and illegal abortions. For every death caused by unsafe abortion, several women are injured or left infertile. And countless unwanted children are born to women unable to obtain an abortion. Many of these kids will live a life marred by poverty, abuse, and neglect.

About 35 out of every 1000 women of childbearing age have an abortion each year. That's an average of one abortion for every woman over her lifetime. The abortion rate does not differ significantly between developed and less developed regions, but where it is illegal, it is very unsafe. One-third of the world's women do not have access to legal or safe abortion, and these women die at the rate of 330 deaths per 100,000 abortion procedures. In contrast, the death rate from legal abortion averages 0.7 deaths per 100,000 procedures. Over 30% of women who have an unsafe abortion suffer serious complications, such as hemorrhaging, sepsis, or infertility. In contrast, in countries where abortion is legal and safe, the complication rate is about 1-3%, and most of the complications are of a minor nature and do not require
hospitalization.

So it's looking like the caller was probably talking about the US and just couldn't do the math.

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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 07:16 AM
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12. That information
is the most striking of all

The abortion rate does not differ significantly between developed and less developed regions, but where it is illegal, it is very unsafe. One-third of the world's women do not have access to legal or safe abortion, and these women die at the rate of 330 deaths per 100,000 abortion procedures. In contrast, the death rate from legal abortion averages 0.7 deaths per 100,000 procedures. Over 30% of women who have an unsafe abortion suffer serious complications, such as hemorrhaging, sepsis, or infertility. In contrast, in countries where abortion is legal and safe, the complication rate is about 1-3%, and most of the complications are of a minor nature
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moose65 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 07:03 AM
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8. I found this.....
I found data for 2002 on the CDC website at
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5407a1.htm

In 2002, there were 854,122 abortions in the United States, which translates into 2,340 per day. I heard that 30,000 comment too and I thought, "what a crock!"
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 07:06 AM
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9. Even That Number Seems Too High
I know it's from the CDC, but i just don't believe it. That's still 10% of the birth rate. Seems far too high to me.
The Professor
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 07:07 AM
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10. Does this idiot caller know that abortion rates
don't change when they are illegal?

By the mid-twentieth century, both proponents and opponents of abortion reform agreed ...illegal abortionists were thriving. Criminologists found that abortion had become the third most lucrative criminal enterprise in the United States, surpassed only by gambling and narcotics. One investigator determined that some expert abortionists were performing as many as forty-five abortions a day and between four and five thousand abortions a year.

http://www.pinn.net/~sunshine/book-sum/rethink.html

Bans on abortion simply force abortion underground and create another path for criminals to obtain wealth, remember prohibition. These anti-choice people need to get in touch with reality.
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 07:11 AM
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11. She is using Ann Coulter's rhetoric
So we will see a lot more of this for a while.
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 07:28 AM
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13. on an average day god makes 5,500 dead US babies
Edited on Thu Jun-08-06 07:40 AM by bushmeat
because god hates foetusususus

http://wuphysicians.wustl.edu/dept.asp?pageID=8&ID=35
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/05facts/prelimbirths04.htm

4.1 million births in 2004 / 365 days = 11,000 births *.2 = 2,200

but that is for known pregnancies, the actual rate of god killing babies is greater than 50% so
4.1 million births in 2004 / 365 days = 11,000 births *.5 = 5,500

http://www.infertilitytutorials.com/miscarriage_members/incidence.cfm

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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 07:55 AM
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14. During The Satanic Panic in the 1980's...
During the Satanic Panic in the 1980's, anti-abortion zealots also claimed that those fetuses were being sacrificed to the Devil, along with numerous children and young women. When the FBI started looking into these allegations and found forensic evidence for these allegations coming well up short, these same looney-tunes turned around and accused medical examiners of ALSO being members of the same Satanic cult.

As an irrelevant aside, even if there WAS an appreciable Satanic movement in the US, I have no doubt that it would be as faction- and schismatically-riven as Christianity, if not more so.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 08:39 AM
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15. Someone needs to ask her why her God destroys 67.5% of all
fertilized human eggs.
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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 08:45 AM
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16. Read enclosed thread, lots of good info here:
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