A message for conspiracy theorists: THEY are watching!

By the way, you are making all Democrats look like a bunch of idiots when you do this. They quoted from a DU post earlier to criticize our reaction to al-Zarqawi's death. When you post nutty things, they can read them as well. Just a reminder. Maybe we should come up (I know this is going to sound like a secret club) with a special forum that is off-limits to members without a certain number of posts? That way people can still talk about these kind of things, without the freepers seeing them.

:eyes:

i'm REALLY concerned about "THEY"

we have to sound like sane people. We won't win any elections if we all sounds like we are crazy.

Maybe saying al-Zarqawi didn't really die in that attack, or something to that effect. It really does make us all look bad. I would actually like to talk to people, and to have them take me seriously. How are the American people ever supposed to trust us with power if we say nutty things like that?

a dozen times. I personally think this is the real deal now, but I can totally understand that type of doubt you're encountering here.

I wonder where you got that idea. Have a link?

that he is really dead this time?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4446084/
http://www.juancole.com/2005/11/zarqawi-rip-it-just-does-not-matter-if.html

Early in 2002, there were unverified reports from Afghan Northern Alliance members that Zarqawi had been killed by a missile attack in Afghanistan. Many news sources repeated the claim. Later, Kurdish groups claimed that Zarqawi had not died in the missile strike, but had been severely injured, and went to Baghdad in 2002 to have his leg amputated. On October 7, 2002, the day before Congress voted to give President Bush permission to invade Iraq, Bush gave a speech in Cincinnati, Ohio that repeated this claim as fact.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Musab_al-Zarqawi

It's almost as if people should stop believing that today's story is just like all the other times "they" have said he was dead, eh?

We can be frank with people, and also give them some confidence in our ability to lead. People will never trust us if we act like this though. It is a difficult thing to say, but it must be said. I don't mean any ill will by it, but I just don't think it bodes well for our chances in the election if this stuff keeps floating around.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4446084

Those CRAZY democrats... :crazy:

But why should stupid people run everything? Just because they are in the majority?

We have to question things that need to be questioned, even though the stupid can't stand it.

Kerry and Gore and Clinton don't do it, but WE CAN. Just like the way Bush and Cheney don't do it, Gringrich, the Swift Boat crew do. To let the leaders look sane and above it all, but still get the question out there.

Though I think Bush would have looked a lot better to me if he had come down HARD on the Swift Boat Liars.

Hey, how about how the freepers look to me? They look bad to me. Why isn't that equal?

... they have lied and lied and lied and lied and lied about anything and everything.

Maybe they are lying, maybe they are not. Who cares? It's like the 3rd time they've claimed they've gotten this ass, is the third time a charm?

Frankly, I've long since given up worrying too much about what stupid people think. It is up to them to catch up to me, not for me to stoop to their level.

There have been a few, y'know.

What else is needed to believe a report! I mean come on, do you need to see it in person?

I find this report much more credible--the picture even looks about right.

But what would you say if a later report says that the body is not Zarqawi's? Exactly why is it "crazy" to have remaining doubts?

but this looks like it checks out. The reason I posted this, was that I read just these absolutely ridiculous things. People completely, outright denying he was dead. That was too far. There is a difference between being cautious and noting the other reports of his death, and completely denying that he is dead.

They've earned knee-jerk mistrust.

It is usually safe to assume the opposite of whatever latest talking point they cough up.

of a 500LBS Bomb.

Wonder why....

well at least we scare the crap out of the administration by being unpredictable

in this country.

And there is something fishy about Al Qaeda and Al Z.

"evil" might be a better word to use...

This isn't about the Democratic party, it is about the people of America. Politicians and people who are interested in politics forget that fact too often. It isn't about us. We aren't and shouldn't win any elections until we understand that simple fact.

Talking about "winning" elections. That's crazy!

like faking the rescue of, say, Jessica Lynch. Or believing that Iraq had now WMD's. Or that Pat Tillman died for just cause. The fucken wack-jobs start rumors on the Internets in places like DU. How embarrassing. :blush:

Yup, fellow DU'ers, we've been humiliated enough over here for thinking outside of the box, so let's just stay in lockstep with our friends at Fox and no one will look out of place. :sarcasm:

Until I see a body with an independent, trustworthy DNA lab reporting accurate results, I approach EVERYTHING these lying politicians say with extreme skepticism.

I'm proud of the independent thought here. No guts no glory. Say what you think and don't be stifled by being afraid to be different. The RW wants you to feel that way.

cause that sounds like real CT to me
I mean the media would be all over that if it were true and the Dem's wouldn't rest until it was one person one vote verified.

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:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

They are dumb.

I thought they only regurgitated GOP talking points.

:shrug:

How many times has al-Zarqawi been killed before?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1380301

of buying into the OP's spin.

Not me...

then we would be like them....

more Democrats in power!

I have been quite concerned about THEM for some time now...

Well I was once at a drive in where it was showing!

Really don't care what THEY think, nor what THEY say. In fact I think it's a good thing that THEY are reading over here, it might teach them some critical thinking skills, and give them some information THEY couldn't get anywhere else. And hey, I've been called a lot worse things than a conspiracy theorist:shrug:

By the by, which THEY are you refering to? There are so many of them out there these days, it's hard to keep track.

Freepers have nothing better to do than watch us, because most of them are 14 years old and living in Mama's basement. They've got to do SOMETHING while Mama does their laundry and makes their peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.

people like Limbaugh, O'Lielly or Coulter think is the minute we have given up and LOST.

Fuck them. :grr:

One of the more ridiculous forums out there, the "conservative" version of this site, has a forum devoted entirely to ridiculing DU posts. It is the only truly active forum on the entire site. They never even comment other than to stroke each other about how superior they are to DUmmies. If you set the post-count higher, people will just wait longer. Before the 2004 election, I set up a private, password protected forum on my message board, and only allowed in people by referral or if I knew them. It was pretty active for a while. In fact, no one ever posts to my message board, but the hidden forum was getting several posts daily. After the election the posting stopped again...but the hidden forum is still there. The trouble is, this is information we WANT people to see. As many as possible. So what if a bunch of kook-wads read what is posted here and laugh at it. You want laughs? Check out their sites, where people still think the media is liberal and that we really found WMDs, and that the president and the GOP are doing well in the polls. It's like a parallel universe.

We can be better. This whole "sanity" thing could win us the election. I mean imagine if someone could be frank yet also not nutty, it would be a major breakthrough in American politics.

Most of us don't bother to go over there. But I've gathered that they have some members here with pretty high post counts, so starting up a secret forum probably wouldn't do anything but make them more excited about watching us.

I don't really get the fascination with those "other" forums, myself. I already know they disagree with me on every issue under the sun .... I don't need to go irritate myself by reading their posts.

P.S. to the freepers: My flag has already turned you gay.

please stand up in the front.

waaaaaaay in the back, behind the guy who eats his boogers.
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

I'll be throwing turds with the monkeys not related to chimpshitler. How are you this a.m. all craziness aside. I have not been doing so well. :hug:

Kids driving me crazy....which is why I've taken to hanging with guys who eat boogers. ;) LOL!

What's going on with you? Call me. I'll be home for about 20 minutes.

Life problems this a.m. Waiting for doc appt., kid may have broken thumb from beach ball at the school dance, of all things. Sharing personal crap. ooops fuck 'em if they can't take a joke. Guess they get rowdy at those school dances these days. Makes me wonder about the supervision. Poor teachers.

working from an underground bunker beneath a dairy queen in Detroit. Yeah, that's it. And he's really the son of the brother in law to the under secretary of labors next door neighbor. All clear now?

:rofl:

it makes much more sense that Zarqawi is really the boogy man. And that our Government (with polls at an all time low) finally after killing him several times......they finally killed him. And that they have a picture to prove it. Yeah...this makes a lot more sense.

How long can this charade go on? :shrug:

dead numerous times. Who decided to release this information, not once, not twice, but numerous times, that he was dead, when he really wasn't dead? Did the news medis do it on their own? No. Some clique in the White House, representing more than one person, hence a conspiracy, decided to release that false information to the American people through the news media. False information released by the government through the media is propaganda. There's your conspiracy, and it's a fact, Jack, not a theory.

They have a photo. Do they need to fly the body for you to personally inspect? I could understand skepticism if they hadn't shown a picture, but they did.

in the ground zero rubble on 9/11 too. Strange.
And then there was that hole in the ground where they found Saddam. Just after they repeated the propaganda "We'll smoke e'm out of their holes" over and over again. Strange.
Now they've got a picture. Yeah, I guess we should just believe them.

I don't know how much someone can doubt that? If you don't believe that, then there isn't anything you will believe.

I understand this administration has lied and does lie even as we speak, but we have to pick and choose battle carefully. If we don't we will lose credibility with the American people.

a little dusty, with my eyes closed.....will you believe that I am actually dead? Hey, we've got photo proof of UFO's too.....does this make you a believer? What about the lockness monster......I've seen the photographic proof!
A picture? For god sakes, please I understand what you are saying but please look beyond a picture.....at the ENTIRE picture of what, when , how and why. The little picture is proof only for the simple minded with no time, or inclination to do any research.

of a dead person and we are to accept it without the thousand words used to describe all of the previous excuses about the attacks that failed, or how he was misidentified before. That is all swept under the rug, and the motivation behind all the previous lies is forgiven(?). That past(and perhaps ongoing)propaganda is the real conspiracy and the occupants of the White House are the conspirators. This present administration has been most secretive, using national security and the war on terror as excuses. They are the conspiractors against the American people.

It's a sad state of affairs when the "conspiracy theories" seem
to have less twists and turns then "official" versions.

he have wounds from earlier encounters? Was anything amputated? Has his mama indentified him at the morgue? Has he had plastic surgeon in the face? Who has copies of his fingerprints to match? What about that DNA bullshit? Was he circumsized? Do you want me to continue?

Because we WANT to believe it. Photos? They are all real. Killed by marines? Sure, no one in Iraq would stage anything themselves. And on and on it goes.

We believe what we want, and dispute what we don't want to be true. 9/11 is a great example of that.

Not so much directed at you - just in general on things I have seen here in regards to events and whether we choose to believe them (or put any stock into them).

We better run and hide.

1) Zarqawi has been killed several times, so pardon me if I remain skeptical.

2) Zarqawi seems to be promoted BY OUR OWN GOVERNMENT as the Dr. Evil of Iraq. Why is that?

3) Somehow I rather doubt that the death of one individual is going to turn the tide, whatever that means, in this wrong war gone bad.

4) I really couldn't care less what Ms. Magalag or whatever her real name is or the rest of the hate filled freepazoids cut and paste from DU.

5) I am sure tired of the 'shut up with questioning the official party line you make us look bad' admonitions.

but they have a picture of him this time.

1. If they hadn't had the picture, I would myself be skeptical.

2 & 3. You are right, killing him may get the guy who beheaded Nick Berg, but it won't stop this terrorist group. I know this because Israel has been doing it since Munich, and look where it has gotten them.

4. I would prefer to have credibility. If someone were to put forward a rational criticism of the other side blowing this out of proportion, I think that would be good for us, but I bet few people took the time to think about their posts.

5. We should be questioning what they say, but we need to be credible in doing so. There are limits on what you can question while maintaining credibility. All "facts" is subject to doubt, but treating all "facts" with equal doubt is wrong.

bush gets on tv and announces that this will turn the tide?

We are occupying their country. They aren't going anywhere, we are. The tide will inexorably drag us back out to the boats we came in on. It is only a question of how many Iraqis and Americans have to die before we have a leader with the courage to say enough is enough.

:rofl:

We don't.

Did you really think about what you just said?

People acting like a bunch of idiots on our side = good for freepers

People acting with frank and serious discussion = good for us

What I want = people acting with frank and serious discussion

:shrug:

You have a lower post count than I do.
:-)

You assume much.

I was just letting you know it isn't nice to call someone who disagrees with you a member of the other side.

about anything and everything. Check out this topic alone, and boil down what you've really said in your multiple posts to 25 words or less.

I mean, really, can we trust our government? Have they lied to us before? Have they withheld information and then released it when it favors them politically?

I'm not sure what you're calling nutty things, but I question the video I saw this morning on CNN of Iraqi boys sifting through the rubble where Zarqawi was killed. They pulled out a toddler's shoe, a kid's backpack and a stuffed animal. Now what's that all about?

We have every right to question - I could really care less what Bushbots think.

Who cares what people like that think? And... delete. :evilgrin:

or just this lone tiresome refrain?

You are aware that DU gets one of these "Behave or Freepers will mock you and think you crazy" post about once a week, yes?

It's been happening since the beginning practically.

I care what normal people think about us. Normal people watch TV and hear about the "crazy rumors on the left blog sites." That's the problem. Fuck the freepers! I just don't want to give them ammo for their guns.

we shouldn't point out that he has been dead at least three times before and that it is vanishingly unlikely that this will change the war at all?

Exactly which crazy statements are you saying we shouldn't make?

Saying that he still isn't dead this time = bad

fuck them and the rest of the lemmings that believe anything this Potemkin Prez does or says.

OVER THERE, on one of those "conservative" sites. They even quoted me! LOL! They're lovin' this.

So you see, originalpc, you can't do a damned thing about it. The kids need to play. If they didn't have us to goof on, they might actually have to pay attention to the Fraud In Chief who is playing them for fools.

(one edit) BTW, I received a great honor over there...they consider me "one of the worst" on DU. Coming from them, I consider that a high honor!

OF COURSE they're going to call you a nutter.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1380886

Yeah. The WP made up the quotes in the story, and no one at the Pentagon even took issue with it! AMAZING, eh?

I may be a nutter, but I'm no fluffer!

maybe we should be real quiet and hide in networks of dungeons mumbling softly to ourselves. Maybe we should not post any opinions at all, just hardcore "facts," proven beyond a shadow of doubt by the Ministry of Truth.

We should be afraid of freepers?!? :rofl: Half the time, they help get the truth out there. If the freepers decide something is "crazy" you can bet there's a reasonable concept involved that they want to discredit.

Gotta be strong, not give anonymous "they" entities any power.

make us look bad no matter what.

Might as well be outrageous. But not in a Coulter way. With the truth.

Screw them. WE. DO. NOT. CARE. WHAT. THEY. SAY.

I can tell it will be very difficult.

No one should give a damn about what they say to each other.

We should care what they say about us to the general public.

We should be more thoughtful than they are.

We don't even have to say different things, just explain them in a rational tone.

I was watching a puke and Dem duke it out last night, and both sides seemed very vehement. It was then that I realized they would look like a complete bunch of assholes if our guy had been cool calm and collected while debating the other smug little fucker.

This was a debate about what the Anti-Christ (formerly known as Ann Coulter)said of the 9/11 widows. What she said was so bad, that America could possibly turn against the freepers, but only if we are rational in debating the pukes. We can make them look really bad, if we are firm and serious when we discuss with them on a program.

I mean, they will spin and lie about anything to make us look bad.

If we let ourselves be guided by what "they" may think of us, they've already won the debate and the battle.

And then there's the small matter that anyone can post on DU, making it completely trivial to set us up to make us look bad. It's their problem that they take the comments of a few and present it as though it is typical for DU.

I mean come on, a guy isn't dead, even though we have a picture of him? That is kind of weird. Can you at least recognize that?

Except to be used by W to prop himself up.

I think that's the main concern for the doubters.

Anyway, many here have heard the "it will make us look bad"-argument a few times to many.

we could sneeze and he could use to his favor. I hate the fact he is going to beat this horse until it is dead as well. But that doesn't really have anything to do with this guy being dead or not.

Which is exactly why there's no point in caring much about what "they" might think about us.

I really shouldn't care about what they say. I was just pissed-off when I went over there to see what they had to say about this, and found that quote of our posts. It hurt when they said we are morning Zarqawi's death. I think the important thing to remember is that some pundit will read freeperland and talk about it to normal non-political people, and score points on us.

But as far as i care, we're not playing their game.

even existed that appears to be another prop to use by this administration like Mission Accomplished, Jessica Lynch, Pat Tillman, etc.

Here's one for the freepers ---

Sure, you know, I cried my eyes out when I heard he was dead the first time.

Then, I laughed when they said he was still alive.

Second time, used up a couple of tissues.

Then, I laughed when they said he was still alive.

Third time, whimpered just a little bit.

Then, I laughed when they said he was still alive.

This time, I just laughed, at the utter absurdity of it all.

public." I really don't think we should care about their thoughts, as I've indicated before.

As far as I can tell, our side is, overall, far more rational than they could ever be. If they want to take our posts, misunderstand, misinterpret, or mock them, I really don't care. We ARE more thoughtful than they are (that's a guess based on posts people here bring from over there, since I don't patronize that site), we ARE more rational. So what if some of us get emotional once in a while and they pounce on it. Doesn't amount to anything at all.

Now, I also feel that the Ann Coulters, Rush Limbaughs, Bill O'Reillys, etc. should also be ignored whenever possible, and when that's not possible, they should be smacked down with nothing scarier than cold, hard FACTS. They do not have truth on their side, so they can't win a debate, though they can muddle the minds of dumb shits with emotional and extremist remarks. Those dumb shits CANNOT be converted and WANT the mouthy assholes to tell them what to think. Ergo, we should not worry about them. Let's work on those who are still reasonable and might be able to overcome misinformation and their own prejudices.

That's the only way to make sure that not a single DU-ers says something that makes all democrats look bad.

and I have a feeling you were making a point by saying it.

I just realized a little while ago that this shit sounds like when they say, "Well you know you are helping Al-Qaeda by criticizing our President, right?"

It does help the other side. It does make us look bad.

They say different, but equally weird things (Ruby Ridge, Waco, and OC Bombing.)

I guess the question is why people on either side believe that kind of stuff?

I don't take anything without some proof it is real, but saying someone isn't dead when there is a photo of him dead, is kind of weird.

Given that Zarqawi already has been killed several times, and given the track record of the CIA and its corporate masters, anything is possible.

As i said, the guy being dead is hardly relevant the problems we're dealing with. It's kinda sad for those who loved him, and W will use it to prop himself up. But that's about the extent of it.

The last thing on my list of priorities is to worry about what "they" think about what "we" say.

They excel at taking things out of context and embellishing on them. I saw posts on the Lou Dobbs/Randi Rhodes episode and they blamed "the moonbats on DU for it." :wtf:

All they show is how stupid they are and how they could have been duped into blaming Saddam and the Iraqis for 9-11.

Thanks mom, I never would have known.

If not, then what is your threshold between conspiracy and fact? - and don't tell me it's MSM reporting because they've missed plenty.

I'm guessing your threshold is different from other people's, so how - besides your personal opinion - do you suggest we decide who to send to the back of the bus?

:sarcasm:

Anymore cyber-toilet training you'd like to provide?

Chemtrails? Or that cell phones fry your brain ? :)

:-) OMG! Chemtrails! And my cell phone will fry my brain! EEK! I wonder what those conspiracy theories do to it, probably the same as the cell phones.

than the claims that Bush caused the southeast Asian tsunami. I'm counting my meager blessings. ;P

At how may folks out there take this stuff seriously. Sadly, and comforming to a right wing stereotype, lots of them are at far left sites that want to be taken as a serious alternative! Not sure what to do.

uh, excuse me, sorry.

Now, what were you saying about right wing pundits quoting random posters from this site to show how loony the left is?

that these widows are better off without their husbands? If anything, that is their personal judgement call that they hold to themselves. It is not right that someone who was not involved, except on the sidelines, to have such an opinion, and she should be immediately classified by 99.999999999% of the people as a kook.

we look like idiots ??
I bet you said we looked like idiots when we said there was no WMD in Iraq and no Saddam - 9/11 connection....

Fuck them....

Who are you ???????

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I can't believe that level headed people are coming up with these insane conspiracy theories with almost no information on which to base the conclusions.

I think I'm gonna puke :puke:

Are there really this many fruit-loop DUers?

I'm feeling so ill right now - this was my only sanctuary from the madness of the Freepers :(

There are more FAKE kooks here than "real" ones: losers from other sites register DU accounts so they can then post ridiculous, stereotypical "liberal", over-the-top anti-American B.S. on these boards. They then take web snapshots of their own bizarre posts, and forward them to Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, etc. as "proof" of Democrats' "anti-Americanism" and craziness. Or they'll otherwise just post the snapshots on their sites.

The ironic thing is, a lot of the kooky or "blame America first" DU posts that they get enraged at or laugh at and discuss on their sites are their own posts, created under their own DU accounts.

Does that mean that there aren't actual kooks and far-leftists on DU? Of course there are. If it were me, I'd boot them off hence with and forthwith.

My suggestion for dealing with the disruptors: when you "tombstone" them, list (all) their ip addresses on their tombstones. You'll see an amazing, immediate drop in the number of kooky, soldier-bashing, fruit-loop DU posts.

Lost a leg in 2002 (but US later changed their tune)
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FJ15Ak02.html

Killed in March 2004
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29777-2004Mar4.html

Came back to life to personally behead Nick Berg (post-Abu Ghraib photo release)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1136076/posts
(interesting as no one in that video appeared to be handicapped - Zarqawi had one leg amputated)
http://wais.stanford.edu/Individuals/nickberg.htm

Killed again in Oct. 2004
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/10-17a-04.asp

Seriously injured or killed in May 2005
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/10500
http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level.php?cat=Terrorism&loid=8.0.165740392&par=0

Zarqawi shot in chest/lung in May 2005
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4579885.stm

Killed and body in Falluja cemetery in June 2005
http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level.php?cat=Terrorism&loid=8.0.173437230&par=0

And now killed again in Nov. 2005

Baghdad imam says Zarqawi killed at beginning of US invasion
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/73570F02-EA07-492F-9E04-C080950DF180.htm

Backed up by this March 2004 article
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4446084/

that Bush personally shat America out of his ass