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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:44 AM
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Why did they kill Al Zarqawi?
Edited on Thu Jun-08-06 09:49 AM by sparosnare
I was told this morning that our military and Iraqi forces had been tracking him for weeks and knew without a doubt he was in that building last night. Wouldn't it have had greater impact to capture him and throw him in jail, then put him on trial for crimes against Iraq citizens, for justice? Isn't that what Democratic societies do?

Seems to me that would have been the way to go, since he's responsible for the deaths of so many Iraqis and they have a Democratic government now. He could have been used as an example. Instead, they blow him up, carefully, so we can have pictures.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:47 AM
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1. because he got tired of dragging around Osama's dialysis machine
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:48 AM
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2. It may have been impossible to capture him.
I daresay he was fairly well-guarded. Maybe if they caught him, it would have been impossible to keep him. To me it's an indication of ho limited our options in Iraq are.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:49 AM
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3. Maybe the Iraqi
government feared the repercussions of having to hold him in custody. Perhaps they thought that would prompt greater violence than simply killing him outright. I don't know. That's just one thought that comes to mind.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:49 AM
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4. As A General Rule, Ma'am
Killing is more readily and simoply contrived than caprure. Capture requires skilled men to move in on the ground, and every step risks a warning to the target of the operation, and the botching of the attempt. A strike from an aircraft is more certain of effect, and will not give the least hint of warning.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:57 AM
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9. I think sir -
In death, he can be propped up much bigger than he ever could have been if captured and put on trial. People may have found out he wasn't as important as told. :shrug:

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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:05 AM
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12. That Is One Consideration, Ma'am
There will certainly now be some who feel called upon to "avenge" him, and one or more of them may prove more competent in fact then he was. If my view of the matter is true, that his effectiveness and influence was greatly over-rated, it will be hard to prop him up much in death, from the point of vuew of popular opinion in the U.S., anyway, because his absence will not make the slightest diffence in the casualty figures or the pattern of attacks in the chaos of Iraq.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:09 AM
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13. I agree with your points. Here's an interesting twist -
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:27 AM
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16. That Is Worth Remembering, Ma'am
It had slipped my mind, but was widely reported. It should be recalled the fellow was a Jordanian, and doubtless was accordingly prone to misjudging politics of Iraq.

It certainly opens the possibility that the intelligence received by the U.S. concerning him recently came from his own associates, who wished his eleimination for their own reasons, and saw the hammer of the ccupying power as the easiest means towards securing it. Things like that are very, very common in partisan campaigns.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:50 AM
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5. Haditha.(n/t)
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:54 AM
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6. this is all so convenient
right now for the bushies since his poll numbers are going down. Propaganda machine is on full steam ahead isn't it?
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:56 AM
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7. To prop up the new Iraqi government.
Al Maliki is grinning like the cat who ate the canary. Three weeks into his term, and this has helped him politically.

If that's indeed what happened -- who can believe a thing these liars say anymore.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:03 AM
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11. Definitely helped him politically -
and on the same day his cabinet is completed. Our military is crediting the Iraq forces for the legwork behind getting Zarqawi (all we did was drop the bombs) - whether true or not, it helps them seem more "with it".
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:57 AM
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8. b/c he always gets away ...
i guess we'll just have to wait and see if he re-appears at some later time in a tape/video recording: boo!


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afrosia Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:58 AM
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10. Lame
Edited on Thu Jun-08-06 09:59 AM by afrosia
It makes us look like hypocrites. We need to lead by example, killing only makes us seem like an enemy and makes al-Zarqawi a martyr, bringing al-Zarqawi to justice means butt-******* all round. Why is Bush so fucking short-sighted?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:13 AM
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14. What's the source that they knew where he was for weeks?
That seems to contradict a report that US military was tipped-off about his location in Baqba, north-east of Baghdad, by the Iraqi gov't following intelligence provided by local Shi'a and Jordanian intelligence officers who have been searching in that area after a mass beheading.

It seems very unlikely that Zarqawi, or any competent terrorist leader, would stay in the same location for long.

The Guardian reported: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1792817,00.html

In recent weeks, Baquba has seen a surge in sectarian violence, including the discovery of 17 severed heads in fruit boxes. It is near the site of a sectarian killing last week in which masked gunmen murdered 21 Shias, including a dozen students.

(Iraqi Prime Minister) Maliki said last night's operation was the second time in 10 days that Zarqawi had been targeted.

"Since a week or 10 days ago, there was intelligence information about the presence and movements of this big criminal," he told al-Arabiya television. "There was a previous attempt to kill him but it didn't succeed. Then we succeeded, thanks to God."

Today's announcement came six days after the terrorist leader appeared in a videotaped message, in which he claimed Iraqi Shia militants were raping women and killing Sunnis. He said the Sunni community must fight back.


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57_TomCat Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:26 AM
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15. It seems to me that
the Iraqis already have a huge problem with Al Zarqawi's followers running around and killing innocent Iraqis to impose a fundamentalist regime. Having him sit in a cell would simply give his followers a goal of escape or extortion. There is also the fact that he was well protected. Assaulting defensive positions with troops would do little but allow him and his people to kill more Iraqis and possibly "go out" in a blaze of glory as a martyr to his cause.

Being killed by an aerial attack simplifies the logistics, solves the immediate problem, prevents a longer term problem and counts as a "win" for the good guys.

With him now dead there will be much less support of his factions. He was able to garner local support through his personal presence and charisma. That would continue if he was alive and in confinement. I do not believe his death will solve the entire problem but I do believe it will deal it a heavy blow.

I give'em (the Iraqis) a pat on the back. :)
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:28 AM
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17. It's a lot easier to kill than to capture.
Especially with bombs.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:29 AM
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18. They needed a blue light special, to steer the herd away from the
Rove bust and the rest of the GOPer's big troubles.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:33 AM
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19. Less risk of casulties
It is much safer for American troops to drop large bombs form the air then to send in ground troops to try to capture someone.
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