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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 12:07 PM
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While y'all are distracted by the dead guy... the House is debating
Net Neutrality and the Senate is debating the Native Hawaiian Act.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled distractions...
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 12:09 PM
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1. What the heck is the Native Hawaiian Act?
I am watching the Net Neutrality right now...
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Road Scholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 12:14 PM
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2. Thank you. I don't understand it either. It sounds like a bad thing.
:shrug:
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 12:26 PM
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5. It's good and bad...
The basic premise is to give native Hawaiians a sovereign government, similar to existing Indian tribes." Something that should have been done in the beginning, when we took their country from them, imho.

However, the non-natives are against it.

snip from a repug opinion column...

The Akaka Bill could also lead to discriminatory treatment of non-Native Hawaiians, who already are excluded from private schools run for the exclusive benefit of the Natives. Vast tracts of land (entire islands, perhaps) might also be set aside exclusively for Native use. The Office of Hawaiian Affairs, a state agency, acknowledges that the Akaka Bill allows for the "complete legal and territorial independence from the United States and the re-establishment of a Hawaiian nation-state." Years, if not decades, of litigation would follow its passage.

<the last sentence of the opinion has me thinking it would be a good thing if it passed>
"Republicans this week have a chance to get one right by keeping an unconstitutional bill from reaching the floor of the Senate."

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/article_print/SB114921111782969411-lMyQjAxMDE2NDA5MjIwMTIxWj.html
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 12:17 PM
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3. `Native Hawaiian Government Reorganization Act of 2005'.
Mr. AKAKA (for himself and Mr. INOUYE) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Indian Affairs


A BILL
To express the policy of the United States regarding the United States relationship with Native Hawaiians and to provide a process for the recognition by the United States of the Native Hawaiian governing entity.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,


SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Native Hawaiian Government Reorganization Act of 2005'.

SEC. 2. FINDINGS.

Congress finds that--

(1) the Constitution vests Congress with the authority to address the conditions of the indigenous, native people of the United States;

(2) Native Hawaiians, the native people of the Hawaiian archipelago that is now part of the United States, are indigenous, native people of the United States;

(3) the United States has a special political and legal responsibility to promote the welfare of the native people of the United States, including Native Hawaiians;

(4) under the treaty making power of the United States, Congress exercised its constitutional authority to confirm treaties between the United States and the Kingdom of Hawaii, and from 1826 until 1893, the United States--

(A) recognized the sovereignty of the Kingdom of Hawaii;

(B) accorded full diplomatic recognition to the Kingdom of Hawaii; and

(C) entered into treaties and conventions with the Kingdom of Hawaii to govern commerce and navigation in 1826, 1842, 1849, 1875, and 1887;

(5) pursuant to the Hawaiian Homes Commission Act, 1920 (42 Stat. 108, chapter 42), the United States set aside approximately 203,500 acres of land to address the conditions of Native Hawaiians in the Federal territory that later became the State of Hawaii;

(6) by setting aside 203,500 acres of land for Native Hawaiian homesteads and farms, the Hawaiian Homes Commission Act assists the members of the Native Hawaiian community in maintaining distinct native settlements throughout the State of Hawaii;

(7) approximately 6,800 Native Hawaiian families reside on the Hawaiian Home Lands and approximately 18,000 Native Hawaiians who are eligible to reside on the Hawaiian Home Lands are on a waiting list to receive assignments of Hawaiian Home Lands;

(8)(A) in 1959, as part of the compact with the United States admitting Hawaii into the Union, Congress established a public trust (commonly known as the `ceded lands trust'), for 5 purposes, 1 of which is the betterment of the conditions of Native Hawaiians;

(B) the public trust consists of lands, including submerged lands, natural resources, and the revenues derived from the lands; and

(C) the assets of this public trust have never been completely inventoried or segregated;

(9) Native Hawaiians have continuously sought access to the ceded lands in order to establish and maintain native settlements and distinct native communities throughout the State;

(10) the Hawaiian Home Lands and other ceded lands provide an important foundation for the ability of the Native Hawaiian community to maintain the practice of Native Hawaiian culture, language, and traditions, and for the survival and economic self-sufficiency of the Native Hawaiian people;

(11) Native Hawaiians continue to maintain other distinctly native areas in Hawaii;

(12) on November 23, 1993, Public Law 103-150 (107 Stat. 1510) (commonly known as the `Apology Resolution') was enacted into law, extending an apology on behalf of the United States to the native people of Hawaii for the United States' role in the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii;

(13) the Apology Resolution acknowledges that the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii occurred with the active participation of agents and citizens of the United States and further acknowledges that the Native Hawaiian people never directly relinquished to the United States their claims to their inherent sovereignty as a people over their national lands, either through the Kingdom of Hawaii or through a plebiscite or referendum;

(14) the Apology Resolution expresses the commitment of Congress and the President--

(A) to acknowledge the ramifications of the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii;

(B) to support reconciliation efforts between the United States and Native Hawaiians; and

(C) to consult with Native Hawaiians on the reconciliation process as called for in the Apology Resolution;

(15) despite the overthrow of the government of the Kingdom of Hawaii, Native Hawaiians have continued to maintain their separate identity as a distinct native community through cultural, social, and political institutions, and to give expression to their rights as native people to self-determination, self-governance, and economic self-sufficiency;

(16) Native Hawaiians have also given expression to their rights as native people to self-determination, self-governance, and economic self-sufficiency--

(A) through the provision of governmental services to Native Hawaiians, including the provision of--

(i) health care services;

(ii) educational programs;

(iii) employment and training programs;

(iv) economic development assistance programs;

(v) children's services;

(vi) conservation programs;

(vii) fish and wildlife protection;

(viii) agricultural programs;

(ix) native language immersion programs;

(x) native language immersion schools from kindergarten through high school;

(xi) college and master's degree programs in native language immersion instruction; and

(xii) traditional justice programs, and

(B) by continuing their efforts to enhance Native Hawaiian self-determination and local control;

(17) Native Hawaiians are actively engaged in Native Hawaiian cultural practices, traditional agricultural methods, fishing and subsistence practices, maintenance of cultural use areas and sacred sites, protection of burial sites, and the exercise of their traditional rights to gather medicinal plants and herbs, and food sources;

(18) the Native Hawaiian people wish to preserve, develop, and transmit to future generations of Native Hawaiians their lands and Native Hawaiian political and cultural identity in accordance with their traditions, beliefs, customs and practices, language, and social and political institutions, to control and manage their own lands, including ceded lands, and to achieve greater self-determination over their own affairs;

(19) this Act provides a process within the framework of Federal law for the Native Hawaiian people to exercise their inherent rights as a distinct, indigenous, native community to reorganize a Native Hawaiian governing entity for the purpose of giving expression to their rights as native people to self-determination and self-governance;

(20) Congress--

(A) has declared that the United States has a special responsibility for the welfare of the native peoples of the United States, including Native Hawaiians;

(B) has identified Native Hawaiians as a distinct group of indigenous, native people of the United States within the scope of its authority under the Constitution, and has enacted scores of statutes on their behalf ; and

(C) has delegated broad authority to the State of Hawaii to administer some of the United States' responsibilities as they relate to the Native Hawaiian people and their lands;

(21) the United States has recognized and reaffirmed the special political and legal relationship with the Native Hawaiian people through the enactment of the Act entitled, `An Act to provide for the admission of the State of Hawaii into the Union', approved March 18, 1959 (Public Law 86-3; 73 Stat. 4), by--

(A) ceding to the State of Hawaii title to the public lands formerly held by the United States, and mandating that those lands be held as a public trust for 5 purposes, 1 of which is for the betterment of the conditions of Native Hawaiians; and

(B) transferring the United States' responsibility for the administration of the Hawaiian Home Lands to the State of Hawaii, but retaining the authority to enforce the trust, including the exclusive right of the United States to consent to any actions affecting the lands that comprise the corpus of the trust and any amendments to the Hawaiian Homes Commission Act, 1920 (42 Stat. 108, chapter 42) that are enacted by the legislature of the State of Hawaii affecting the beneficiaries under the Act;

(22) the United States has continually recognized and reaffirmed that--

(A) Native Hawaiians have a cultural, historic, and land-based link to the aboriginal, indigenous, native people who exercised sovereignty over the Hawaiian Islands;

(B) Native Hawaiians have never relinquished their claims to sovereignty or their sovereign lands;

(C) the United States extends services to Native Hawaiians because of their unique status as the indigenous, native people of a once-sovereign nation with whom the United States has a political and legal relationship; and

(D) the special trust relationship of American Indians, Alaska Natives, and Native Hawaiians to the United States arises out of their status as aboriginal, indigenous, native people of the United States; and

(23) the State of Hawaii supports the reaffirmation of the political and legal relationship between the Native Hawaiian governing entity and the United States as evidenced by 2 unanimous resolutions enacted by the Hawaii State Legislature in the 2000 and 2001 sessions of the Legislature and by the testimony of the Governor of the State of Hawaii before the Committee on Indian Affairs of the Senate on February 25, 2003.

http://www.theorator.com/bills109/s147.html
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 12:19 PM
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4. Short explanation of Native Hawaiian Act
The United States Senate has scheduled a vote on a motion to proceed on the "Native Hawaiian Government Reorganization Act" (S.147), a bill to authorize the creation of a race-based government for native Hawaiians living throughout the United States, for the week of June 5, 2006.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 12:31 PM
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6. Kick.
What's the story today on net nuetrality, I recall seeing that it will end well for us. True?
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 12:51 PM
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9. I'm not so hopeful... called Aye on the voice vote this morning...
recorded vote was requested, that should happen this afternoon.

However, I turned in late so I don't know if they were debating Sensenbrenner's amendment, or Markey's.

snip>
One amendment, based on a bill sponsored by Representative James Sensenbrenner, a Wisconsin Republican, would change U.S. antitrust law by requiring broadband providers to give independent content providers the same speed and quality of service as they have.

The second amendment, sponsored by Representative Ed Markey, a Massachusetts Democrat, would require broadband providers that set aside faster connections for new services such as video over Internet Protocol to offer the same speeds to competing services.
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,126023,00.asp

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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 12:32 PM
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7. In addition, a key vote for repeal of the Estate Tax is coming up
I started a thread earlier on this
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1380953&mesg_id=1380953>

It dropped like a rock.

Distraction, distraction people.
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Road Scholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 12:45 PM
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8. What is the net neutrality bill about?
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 12:59 PM
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10. actually an amendment to the telecommunications reform bill
The telecom bill, sponsored by Representative Joe Barton, is largely focused on allowing telecom carriers to bypass local government franchise requirements when they roll out television over Internet Protocol services in competition with cable TV.
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,126023,00.asp

Good article explaining "net neutrality"

Should the Internet Play Favorites?

In possible threats to 'Net neutrality', businesses may be charged for express handling of their data packets, and bulk e-mailers may have to pay for guaranteed delivery of their messages.

Anush Yegyazarian and Tom Spring
From the May 2006 issue of PC World magazine

Your favorite Web sites may be relegated to the Internet's slow lane if the companies that run its backbone network have their way. Proposed services from telecommunications and cable companies would let ISPs and other Web businesses pay extra to receive preferential treatment for their data packets carrying everything from video to music to text over the Internet. Such packet prioritization would deliver a more responsive Web to those sites' visitors--a valuable perk for high-bandwidth services like streaming video.

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,124926,00.asp
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