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Road Scholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 12:56 PM
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Does anyone understand the "Net Neutrality" bill?
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 01:01 PM
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1. Google: Fight for Net Neutrality
With the United States House of Representatives set to vote on a bill that would enable Internet providers to charge for priority access to their networks, Google is asking consumers to speak out. The search engine, along with Microsoft, Yahoo and others, say the bill would create a two-tiered system.

In an open letter posted on the Google Web site, company CEO Eric Schmidt says action must be taken to protect the Internet. He claims that smaller companies who cannot afford to pay will be pushed to the side in the name of profiteering.

That bill, and one that may come up for a key vote in the Senate in the next few weeks, would give the big phone and cable companies the power to pick and choose what you will be able to see and do on the Internet," Schmidt wrote. "The phone and cable monopolies, who control almost all Internet access, want the power to choose who gets access to high-speed lanes and whose content gets seen first and fastest."

The telecom industry claims that it has no intention to create a two-tier content delivery system, and are simply fighting for control of their networks. Internet providers say they should have the right to charge companies who are using more bandwidth-intensive applications, such as audio and video.

http://www.betanews.com/article/Google_Fight_for_Net_Neutrality/1149783783
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 01:08 AM
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5. I Think I Figured Out Why the Telcos are Pushing Against it So Hard
Net neutralilty would force phone systems that deliver voice over the internet (VoIP) to either pay more (leading to higher rates) or suffer a decline in voice quality (which is a big reason more people haven't switched). So many people are abandoning local phone service that the telcos are pulling out all the stops to try and slow it down.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 01:03 PM
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2. Tiered Services
Verizon, ATT, and GrandMa Jones can charge you for different services (speeds, etc). That's being done now.

Now, they want to do the same thing to companies...ie, charge Google for all the searches the backbone providers are serving up bandwidth for. 'Specially for companies like SKYPE who carry voice over IP (and do it quite well). And for companies that deliver film, etc... Of course, those companies would have to turn around and pass the cost on to us, the consumers, as they could not for the life of them NOT give their CEO's $50M/yr.

Net Neutrality is the effort to keep the the broadband providers from charging the content providers out the wazzooo.
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Road Scholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 01:10 PM
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3. Thanks. I can't help but think If it's repub, it's evil. Usually is.
It sounds like another chance to get in our pockets.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 01:11 PM
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4. Net neutrality is the idea that every site on the Web is created equal.
aol.com has no more advantage than joeblowsblog.com. Anyone who uses a computer and has access to the Internet has the same ability to access either one. This is, some say, what makes the Internet such a democratic medium, compared with, say, radio, which depends on power of signal, or TV, which has a limited number of channels. A Net Neutrality bill would aim to preserve this characteristic of the Internet.

Republicans, and some bought Democrats, in Congress have been pushing a bill that would give ISPs the right to charge owners of domains a fee if they want the ISP's customers to have access to their sites. This would obviously give a major advantage to Web sites that have lots of money at their disposal and would harm ones that don't. And it would benefit the ISPs but harm their customers, who would be at the mercy of the ISP's judgment of which sites to include or exclude.

Amazingly (or not), some Libertarians and other right-wingers are trying to sell this as a First Amendment issue--for the ISPs!
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:07 AM
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6. SavetheInternet.com Sends a Message to Washington June 8th, 2006 by tkarr
"Just in time for the upcoming House vote on Net Neutrality, the Washington Post has printed a no-nonsense op-ed by SavetheInternet.com charter members Lawrence Lessig and Robert McChesney. The message of “No Tolls on the Internet” is clear: Congress can not ignore the public outcry and vote to hand control of the Internet to the cable and telephone cartel.

Here’s what Lessig of Stanford Law School and McChesney of Free Press had to say:

'The protections that guaranteed network neutrality have been law since the birth of the Internet — right up until last year, when the Federal Communications Commission eliminated the rules that kept cable and phone companies from discriminating against content providers. This triggered a wave of announcements from phone company chief executives that they plan to do exactly that.

Now Congress faces a legislative decision. Will we reinstate net neutrality and keep the Internet free? Or will we let it die at the hands of network owners itching to become content gatekeepers? The implications of permanently losing network neutrality could not be more serious. The current legislation, backed by companies such as AT&T, Verizon and Comcast, would allow the firms to create different tiers of online service. They would be able to sell access to the express lane to deep-pocketed corporations and relegate everyone else to the digital equivalent of a winding dirt road. Worse still, these gatekeepers would determine who gets premium treatment and who doesn’t...' "


http://savetheinternet.com/

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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:43 AM
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7. pay to surf
or tiered access much like TV cable access. The push is to allow companies to SELECT which sites you will have access to based on a tiered plan.

currently, anyone logging on has access to ALL sites. Net Neutrality means this will stay the same.

the bill the House rejected today would keep all sites accessable preventing Internet providers from determining which sites you can access under their plans and which ones you can't.


Wyden champions Net Neutrality
T.A. Barnhart
http://www.blueoregon.com/2006/06/wyden_champions.html

Sen Ron Wyden spoke out on the Senate floor today in defense of his "Internet Nondiscrimination Act," aka the "Net Neutrality" bill. The communications and cable companies seeking to defeat his bill are taking the usual high road:

Groups like "Hands off the Internet," a front group for some of the big communications lobbies, have offered some eye-popping ads. You look at this recent ad, for example, in which they display a copy of my legislation, the Internet Nondiscrimination Act. The only thing accurate about this ad is the top page of my bill. It's got my name on it. It clearly says, "the Internet Nondiscrimination Act," but just about everything else is dead wrong. What they've done is falsely add up what looks like hundreds if not thousands of pages to my bill.

The bill is actually 15 pages. But if the "Internet-is-our-money-machine" companies can sell the bill as "regulation," they have a chance to defeat Wyden's bill. The odd thing is, however, his bill does not regulate; it maintains a status quo that works for consumers, small businesses, students, libraries and basically 95% of the users in this country.

--snip--

This is an unofficial transcript

Mr. President, in the next day or so in the other body, the House of Representatives, they will begin debating one of the most important communications issues facing our country, and that is the future of the Internet. Since the other body will begin that discussion shortly and we have had debate beginning in the Senate Commerce Committee here in the Senate chaired by Senator Stevens, who worked so cooperatively with Senator Inouye, I wanted to take a few minutes and talk about why I think this issue is so important and what the stakes are for our country.

We all understand what has been so exciting about the Internet. It has been a tremendously democratizing force, ensuring that in every nook and cranny of America opportunities are there for Americans to learn, to be able to tap the opportunities of the free enterprise system, to secure health care, an extraordinary array of opportunities. And the reality is with the Internet, after you have paid your access charge to use the net, you go where you want, when you want free of discrimination because you have paid that one charge, your original access charge.

Unfortunately, today there are huge communications lobbies, consisting particularly of some of the major phone companies and some of the major cable companies, who want to change the way the Internet works today. In effect what they would like to do is make consumers and businesses in our country pay tomorrow for what is free today. What happens today when those small businesses or consumers pay their Internet access charge, they can go wherever they want whenever they want on the Internet without racking up extra charges and without facing discrimination. Unfortunately, these big communications lobbies would like to change that. You see, the reports, for example, in distinguished business publications like the Wall Street Journal. They talk about communications plans, they call them "pay to play," where if, for example, you were going to go to a variety of web sites, under some of the approaches, apparently you'd have to pay every time you went to one of these web sites if you wanted to get good-quality service. I don't think that's right. I think that's discrimination. I think it's discriminating against consumers. I think it's discriminating against small businesses, and I think it will do extraordinary damage to the inherent beauty of the Internet, which is that it's been all about a fair shake for every American, for every consumer.

In an effort to spin this discrimination by the big cable companies and the big phone companies against the consumer, the big lobbies are engaged in a huge advertising blitz. By my back-of-the-envelope calculation, these big lobbies are spending hundreds of millions of dollars on advertisements to convince the American people that discrimination and these extra charges that they would face on the Internet are actually good for them. If it's so good for the consumer, why are these lobbies spending millions of dollars on these advertisements to tell the American people about? If discrimination was so good, wouldn't consumers have been interested in paying higher prices a long time ago?

It's hard to open the pages of a newspaper or turn on the television without seeing an advertisement urging people to stop Congress from -- quote -- "regulating the Internet." One trade association has even placed ads at airports around Washington, D.C., hoping Senators and Representatives travelling back to their states will see these ads. The executives at these large corporations would not be committing such large sums to advertising if they didn't think that these kinds of advertisements would pay off handsomely in profits. Groups like "Hands off the Internet," a front group for some of the big communications lobbies, have offered some eye-popping ads. You look at this recent ad, for example, in which they display a copy of my legislation, the Internet Nondiscrimination Act. The only thing accurate about this ad is the top page of my bill. It's got my name on it. It clearly says, "the Internet Nondiscrimination Act," but just about everything else is dead wrong. What they've done is falsely add up what looks like hundreds if not thousands of pages to my bill. This is how they demonstrate what my legislation is all about.

Here is the reality, Mr. President. Here is what they say I've proposed. Here's what the big communications lobbies ought to describe as the real world, a piece of legislation that is 15-pages long. The bill that I have introduced is 15 pages. It doesn't look like anything along the lines of what the big communications lobbies are spending such vast sums on. There's an even more disturbing misrepresentation in this ad. It says, stamped up at the top, "regulation." My legislation isn't about regulation. All I want to do is leave the Internet alone. I don't want it to be subject to discriminatory changes, changes that would hit the American consumer in the pocket. I think any fair-minded American who looks at my record will see that I've never sought to regulate the Internet. On the contrary, when I came to the United States Senate, I was a leader in the effort to keep the Internet free of discriminatory taxes. I fought to keep the Internet free of regulation. Now I'm trying to keep control of the Internet in the hands of the American people and not force Americans in this country to pay tomorrow for what is free today.

If you looked at these advertisements, Mr. President, you would think that neutrality is some new-fangled idea that threatens the Internet. The fact of the matter is, that's what we have today, and the Internet has thrived precisely because it's neutral. It's thrived because consumers and not some huge phone company or some huge cable company get to choose what they want to see and how quickly they get to see it. I want to make it clear that those of us that are fighting to keep the net neutral, which means that when you go to your browser, you go where you want, when you want after you pay that initial access charge. We're not interested in regulating anything. The people who want to make the changes, they're the ones who want to meddle. They want to put their hands on the Internet to heap all these extra charges on the American people.

Now we have a small business in Oregon, one with a web site where she sells her products to people all over the world. If these big lobbies have their way, she'll have to pay a new hefty fee so customers can continue to have the same access to her web site. That's not right. The consumer, after they pay that initial access charge, ought to be able to go where they want when they want, and to make them pay tomorrow for what they get for free today after they pay that initial access charge is wrong. As this debate goes forward, and I think colleagues are waiting to speak, I had anticipated spending a bit more time on it, but I think this ad says it all, Mr. President. We ought to keep the Internet free of discrimination. We ought to protect consumers against multiple and discriminatory excess charges, and the next time somebody sees one of these ads, ads that seem to have millions of dollars of lobby money backing them up, they ought to know that this, which purports to represent my legislation, is false. What's in this ad suggests scores and scores of pages. The reality is my bill to keep the Internet free of discrimination, to protect the consumer, is 15 pages long, and the argument at the top of the ad that there will be a host of net neutrality regulations is similarly false. It's not about regulating anything. I want to keep the Internet the way it is. It is an open, vibrant system accessible to all. With that, Mr. President, I yield the floor.

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