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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:34 PM
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What is a conservative?
What exactly do Conservatives 'conserve'?
by Underground Panther in the Sky
To answer this you must ask what is the real meaning of "Conservative"? Where did this 'idealogy' come from? Who made it up? And Why? When I hear some snotty elitist speak of "ordered liberty," I can't help but ask, Who's Liberties come in which order?Could this two-faced social Darwinism be the origins of Conservatism in America?
When you look at what conservatives say vs what pans out in the real world, you'll see what exactly these conservative stand for. Conserving their own power, wealth, within social rank ,all talking points point to those sickening same old self-interested ends. The centerpiece of Conservatism is based, in a concept of "ordered liberty."
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1129-28.htm
When I hear some elitist speak of "ordered liberty," I ask, Who's liberties come in which order? Which kind of liberty is most important here? Order implies a hierarchy .Where you are located on said hierarchy is very relevant to how "free" you are in this "order of liberties."In the "conservative" way of blending contending requirements of the community and the individual, freedoms,
responsibilities, limited government and unlimited markets. Conservatism favors the"haves" the most powerful and their interests first. Conservatism makes sure the elite are first in line for everything but work, submission, responsibility and deprivation. http://www.graybrechin.com/GBrechinArticle2.html
The 'Divine order' is reworked when it is most convenient to these elites getting theirs. When big uncreative corporations can't deal with the upstart competition of creative people from below outdoing them, then the markets are "too free" and they get limited in the favor of the big gorillas (to preserve the top-down divine order). If markets make big gorilla monopolies that ruthlessly plunder the people, well, then the big gorillas are just the divine working order of the market.

There are six basic "canons" or principles of conservatism. After each, I will observe how those six canons of conservatism seem to pan out in reality.

#1 A divine intent, as well as personal conscience, rules society.

UnSpun that is another way of saying, The Divine right of kings. If by divinity they mean Christian it is a theocracy. If there is one God, one creator, then one king is divinely appointed, well it must be God's chosen ruler on top, if society is run hierarchically by divine order.
#2 Traditional life is filled with variety and mystery while most radical systems are characterized by a narrowing uniformity ...
Their "order" makes sure they are first in line for everything but work, submission, responsibility and deprivation.
What "variety and mystery" for a housewife in the 1950's? Housewives were bound by awe of the mysteries of church, of house ,husband and kids, they took Valium to sleep it all away. Work is torment to a worker who hates his job. Hardly a mystery.
... while most radical systems are characterized by a narrowing uniformity.All must accept conservative ideology, or be ruthlessly stomped by the state as radicals , conservatives hate rebellion,equality and human rights in preactice : Because people wanting equality are directly undermining the conservatives' authority', "divine mandates" and Social Darwinism by insisting we are all equal to the "kings".
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1129-28.htm

#3 Civilized society requires orders and classes.

Stratification creates poverty. When times are hard, it is no longer the entire group that suffers: The elite takes what it thinks it is 'entitled' to take, and the underclass does without.Stratification is agenda # 1 On Satanism's Pentagonal Revisionism http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/PentRev.html
The belief in a Divine right of kings is the rationalization of why classes exist ( more accurately an institutionalized excuse for systemic exploitation of others by the most powerful). God is used as the ultimate "permission giver" for the elites, excusing their plundering, and domination of the masses. Beliefs like ...Gays are unnatural; not in the order of nature as God made it to be male and female, together...hence deny gays human rights until they straighen out. Conservatives want "nuclear family" model, because it is authoritarian. if hierarchy is a 'normal' at home, then society will reflect it as "normal"too . In ancient Rome, fathers could beat, rape, kill because the "right" of the 'head of the household' was to dominate them."Master and slave morality deified. conservatives tout as the "special" "glue" of 'civilization' means they must maintain a master/slave morality to keep their own power stable. the divine right of kings, a self serving,predatory ideology conservatives really believe holds civilization together.A supreme insult to humanity. All this lie does is concentrate power and keep enequality justified." “Was there ever any domination that did not appear natural to those who possessed it?” John Stuart Mill Economist and Philosopher

#4 Property and freedom are inseparably connected.

If you own it, you can do whatever you want with it. Other people who don't own it have no say in what you do with it, lest their objections interfere with owners' or plunderers' "freedom." Beating and raping slaves, for example, is a divine right of ownership,when human beings are owned "property".This dehumanization of people into property becomes "freedom" and "property rights." When humans can be seen as objects to be used.Even today, human trafficking and certain industries create and reinforce the idea a human being is an object that can be used owned and sold (porn) as property of the 'owner'.It was not long ago women were seen as property.The wedding band is a symbolic remnant of this bondage,according to sociologist Stephanie Coontz, 'family' was a word that once meant a band of slaves.
"A wife is property that one acquires by contract, she is transferable, because possession of her requires title; in fact, woman is, so to speak, only man’s appendage; consequently, slice, cut, clip her, you have all rights to her." Honoré De Balzac

#5 Man must control his will and his appetite, knowing that he is governed more by emotion than by reason.

If you are poor thou shalt not covet the wealth and easy life of kings. Thou shalt work without sloth or uppityness. Thou shalt not eat too much. Thou shalt not challenge the "divine order." Thou shalt not do anything that would offend the classes above you, unless the rulers above them tell you to do it. But if you are of the elite class, different rules apply. Because of your status you can be taught - that there is no morality,Leo Strauss Machivelli Political science, Marketing. All ethics is show to keep masses loyal to you. If you have appetites, don't incite plebeians envy , dress down when you walk among them, hide your decadence, do it anyway away in private lest the Bastille is stormed. Because elites are sociopaths, and are depraved behind where the "evidence" can be hidden they maintain an upstanding image .http://www.armchairsubversive.com/
Because the ways of princes is Machiavellian and the plebeians need not meddle in the affairs of kings...
#6 Society must alter itself slowly.
Because if things change too fast, the elites might not be able to control how it comes out. They might lose their cushy place in the "divine order" if it turns upside down. For conservatives, there must always be a divine king even if he's called a "president".http://dutyisours.com/gwbush.htm
This slowness of change does not apply when "conservatives" control all the levers of power.Change must happen fast and secretly, to further undermine democracy, lest in the vacuum of unsupervised freedom solidarity is exploited by the lesser people. Horrors, the rulers could lose their "divine" place in the lofty heights of plutocratic power and be forced to live like the lower classes live if they are permitted to live at all, and that must not happen.
The aim of controlling the internet, control of the workplace, control of public space, control of lifestyles through religion and "family values," and control through systemic manipulation of many other aspects of our lives, is to keep us controlled and exploited by the powerful, every day. These "divine orders" lead to top down social 'control, always. It all leads to the same results: concentrating power to the wealthy. Ends justfy means to get results.
The enthusiasm for conservation among the plutocracy at the turn of the century was more than a passing fashion; it came with a changed view of capital concomitant with inherited wealth and a growing sense of noblesse oblige. The descendants of the men who had mown the forests, gutted the mountains, and slaughtered the seals grew ever more concerned with the long-term management of their assets.
control/engineering we think of as 'normal', only benefit the few top wealthy families and their 'kind'.
http://www.ship.edu/~cgboeree/psychosocialhistory.html
http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/dissent/documents/health/sociopathy.html
http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/
Empathy is antithetical to control, which is why control systems demand psychopathy as the standard mode of function. It keeps hierarchy, authority and contractual obligations in a dominating position, always overriding the urge of care, compassion, and a heartfelt connection and empathy for all forms of life. That psychopathy and hared of empathy is what is at the heart of "compassionate conservatism. Even to this day.

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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:38 PM
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1. Conservatives "conserve" the status quo so that they will...
always be in power.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:39 PM
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2. Hmmmm
This is a pretty broad definition of Conservative.

Believers in 3, 4, and 6 would cover most of the Democratic Party for example. I personaly buy part of 3, 4, 5, and 6.


Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Lib Grrrrl Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 04:39 PM
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4. I Beg To Differ!
Especially on point number 3. Fucking Ordered Classes DO NOT NEED TO EXIST!!
Only those belonging in the higher orders believe this. Those in the lower orders, like me...we know that ordered classes serve but one purpose - to keep us down, to keep us oppressed and suppressed. To stop US from growing to OUR fullest potential.

Fuck ordered classes.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:21 AM
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5. Yes but that's if you put those two concepts together
Social disorder and classes.

If you seperate them out, it's different. Classes, particularly when they are as rigid as our classes are (or more so) are negative and most liberals would argue that.

But order? Who does societal disorder hurt the most? The poor, in my opinion.

Bryant
check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:44 PM
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3. A bigot.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:23 AM
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6. Conserving the monarchy
The conservatives are originally torys from britain, and there, the party supports
the monarchy and the tradition of the landed lords and monopolists. Nothing has
really changed except the name.
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