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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:14 AM
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Pentagon spokesman on CNN: Zarqawi DID survive the initial attack
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 08:49 AM by Philosoraptor
on now
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:15 AM
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1. he was alive, 3 males 3 females killed too
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:15 AM
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2. he died on the stretcher
they were going to provide medical care for him when he croaked
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:16 AM
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3. had he been shot? asks reporter
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:17 AM
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4. he didn't answer the fucking question
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:18 AM
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5. will there be an autopsy? was his face photoshopped?
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GregD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:20 AM
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6. Malloy was on this last night
There was a story, I think by Reuters, indicating that the attack was actually carried out by helicopters and troops. Totally inconsistent with the Pentagon story about the smart bomb attack.
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:07 AM
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42. I don't see how he could survive a 500 lb bomb.
Unless he wasn't in the building they bombed, but in a nearby building.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:20 AM
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7. was a child killed? hmmm, not sure.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:21 AM
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8. More fucking lies!
:mad:
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:25 AM
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11. he said NO child was killed
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:35 AM
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15. No dead child was left behind? n/t
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:45 AM
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27. The woman was pregnant and separately a child was also killed
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 09:29 AM
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37. The original report said a child's hand was sticking out
of the rubble.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:24 AM
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9. TWO five-hundred-pound bombs on ONE house, and he was ALIVE?
They must build some goddamned strong houses over there in Iraq. We should hire some Iraqis to rebuild New Orleans; if a house is that strong a hurricane wouldn't bother it none, would it?

Redstone
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:25 AM
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10. Showing pics of the house, that thing wasn't hit by two giant bombs
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:40 AM
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20. Get them Iraqis to build all the houses in So. Cal, so they will stay
up when the mutha of all earthquakes finally hits!
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 09:18 AM
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32. Their choice of materials lends itself to strong construction
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:08 AM
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43. Cinderblocks.
That was I saw in the video of debris.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:33 AM
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48. A very strong material to build a house from if done properly
we have tornado's here and the houses that are built with a steel frame with a masonry exterior sure fare much better than the wood framed ones do.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:26 AM
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12. reporter asks, how the hell did he survive two 500 pound bombs
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:29 AM
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13. "We just don't have that granularity."
Huh?

A reporter asked the Pentagon spokesman how on earth al-Zarq could possibly have survived two 500lb bombs. They guys smiled and said "I asked that question, too." Then said "he could have been outside. We don't know. "We just don't have that granularity."

Maybe not, but I think W has some powder or rock.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:30 AM
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14. See, the facts are dripping in, and they are diluted now.
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:38 AM
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17. "Granularity"
Just a fancy way of saying "The photos ain't all too clear. Oh, some dude stepped outside for a piss, might have been him, but the bombs was incomin', so he was kinda lucky." :sarcasm:

If he were outside at the time, the blast wave from just one 500lb alone might be enough to kill him in such a manner that would allow him to survive the blast, but die shortly after the event.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:36 AM
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16. Zarqawi mumbled something before he croaked, I wonder what.
Maybe "ouch", or, "fuck", or maybe he gave up the di vinci code.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:40 AM
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19. "Rosebud."
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:41 AM
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21. This has to be the funniest "serious" DU thread evah. -nt
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:43 AM
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25. "Could this be the end of Little Zarqawi"?
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 09:13 AM
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31. "The next attack will be aaaattt....... " "I think you applied a little
too much pressure there, Biff. Now, we will have to rely on our own intelligence services, so help us, God."
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 09:20 AM
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33. Probably, "Damn that hurt!"
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:09 AM
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44. "Osama is hiding in......"
Camp David.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:39 AM
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18. Yesterday, they said he died after being handed over to the Iraqis
"Zarqawi was apparently injured at first... The Americans found him. They handed him over to the Iraqis and he later died of his injuries," ABC said.

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-06-08T075226Z_01_GEO825572_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-ZARQAWI.xml
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:42 AM
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22. Looks like he was beaten to death to me, but I'm no expert.
Just a wacky theorist.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:42 AM
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23. Clear as mud
Thanks for helping me understand.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:43 AM
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24. At this point, none of can understand.
We're still piecing bits of the story together.


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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:45 AM
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26. The Haditha massacre took 6 months to piece together.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:54 AM
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30. I think you're right
Good to know that I'm not alone.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:50 AM
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28. ok, I want my APOLOGY from people calling me an idiot CT for doubting
the first official version.

not that I'll get it.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:52 AM
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29. ALWAYS doubt the 1st official breaking stories, always.
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 08:53 AM by Philosoraptor
I agree with you wholeheartedly. We must learn this lesson from Bush's personal media, THEY LIE.

Some of what you hear is true, some is not.
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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 09:27 AM
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34. The first official version is still correct.
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 09:27 AM by rpgamerd00d
Zarqawi is dead as a result of the US bombing him.

All you are finding out today are the specific details that were not available yesterday (except to ABC who seemed to have a better source than the other media outlets).
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 09:29 AM
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36. But he apparently survived the U.S. bombing him.
So, no the first official version is still incorrect.
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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 09:31 AM
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38. No, the first official version is correct.
First version: US bombed Zarqawi, and he died.
New version: US bombed Zarqawi, he lived for a short while, and then he died.

2nd version has more details than the first, but it does not refute it or change its facts materially.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:18 AM
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46. Bullshit. The facts withheld from the first version change it materially.
Even if we play your little game, the second version shows that he was captured alive.

Once captured, a number of laws come into play that appear to have been violated.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:32 AM
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47. Especially if it appears he was shot after capture.
which, as the story develops, that seems to be one of the claims, as well as photoshopping the original picture.

as I suspected, correctly, a whole lot of spin goin on, here.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:34 AM
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49. Basically the spokesman didn't answer any of these questions.
They asked him point blank the penguin had been shot, and he said he didn't know.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:51 AM
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50. he would have known.
Knowing whether he was shot, or not, would be of tantamount importance. no way he could be hazy about it either way.

other questions: if he survived until later, why photograph him on the ground amid the rubble? Why admit to photoshopping the pic?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:05 AM
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 01:39 PM
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51. self-delete
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 02:08 PM by Lerkfish
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 01:45 PM
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52. self-delete
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 02:08 PM by Lerkfish
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 09:28 AM
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35. THEN WHY WASN'T HE ARRESTED SO HE COULD BE TRIED?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 09:32 AM
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40. They didn't want another
Saddam type circus trial.
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:11 AM
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45. That is so pre-9/11 thinking.
There is no justice in this brave new world.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 09:32 AM
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39. The truth will trickle out and by the time it does, no one will care.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 01:46 PM
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53. By tomorrow he will be appearing in a Broadway Musical....
stay tuned


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