Votes in Busby-Bilbray race still being counted...

Listening to Thom Hartmann - he just had a caller on who said that over 6,000+ absentee and other ballots in the race are still being counted. There will be an update at 5 pm today -- I assume, California time.

:shrug:

wouldn't THAT be a beautiful kick in the XXXX to the Pubs who've been celebrating?

reduced by an amount (by counting the absentees) that causes them to go for a full investigation. It would indeed be a beautiful :kick:

It CAN happen is all I'm sayin...

It's almost admirable the way people get their hopes up about overturning the winners in elections every time we lose a close one.

If people want to continue to hope, why should that matter to anyone else?

According to the San Diego county Registrar's Office website, there are 66500 absentee and provisional ballots still to be counted. Bilbray is ahead by about 4500 votes. Why not maintain hope that this margin will narrow or reverse?

It's probably a significantly smaller number.

There was someone on with thom Hartman today who said he was told they should have an update around 5 PM PST today. He said they wouldn't give him the breakdown of how many of the absentee ballots were from Dist. 50.

That's how it's always been. Absentee votes include a lot of active duty military people as well as retirees.

even passing out pre-filled out applications door to door for absentee ballots with the voter's name, address and all details filled in except a signature.

I wouldn't be surprised if the absentees skew Democratic this time.

"This district is entirely contained within San Diego County.
County returns are identical to Districtwide returns."

It says this on the Sec of state website.

to count. There is no way she could win - this is a mean thing to do to get peoples hopes up falsely.

Is that logically, since the votes were counted with Diebold machines and software, there can be NO trust in the count.

Too, since several of the machines were 'sleeping' around before the election the 'morals' of those machines are highly suspect.

That is why there is now a concerted effort to have a recount of the paper ballots that were marked by humans in this election.

Who's afraid of a recount? There is good reason for a recount since the machines are questionable. In fact, in Iowa just the other day, a hand recount showed that similar machines had TOTALLY MISCOUNTED ballots and only after that recount were the correct totals produced.

Who's afraid of a recount? Only those who continue to have faith in a counting system that has been proven to make serious errors.

Who's afraid of a recount? Republicans.

C'mon, either post some facts or quit wasting my time - I'm sick of this crap.

I agree with a paper trail & I don't trust having partisan Republican lying fucks in charge of the elections, but this "sleeping with the enemy" metaphor is cute, but only facts have any meaning to me or anyone for that matter.

Damn it, let's quit surmising and PROVE SOMETHING. No more fucking tin foil hats for me. Prove your point or shut the fuck up!

Ya know, its your vote. If you don't care enough to get the facts about how your vote is counted, then .....

Anyway, there are pages and pages of facts. Where do you want me to begin? The Hursti hack #1, the Hursti Hack #2, the computer experts who have come out solidly against using the machines, the RFK Jr. paper, maybe the evidence from Ohio, Iowa, California, Florida, Georgia, New Mexico, or North Carolina? How about the 26 states that have passed paper ballot laws in the last year?

Take your pick. I can bury you with evidence. We are up to our eyeballs in it.

Your attitude is the problem. You are the victim, or soon to be, and all you can do is rail at me? That sucks. Sorry to have wasted your time, MR_Spock, cause I'm sure you don't want to hear.

Go fly a kite.

I've read all the crap, it's meaningless until we so something about it. Whining on DU will not solve anything.

I'm sick of reading more and more shit evidence here - if the evidence is so good, then convict someone. Until then, we better be focusing on getting large victories in November so there will be no doubt who won. It's those in power who makes the rules - we need to get back the power. You are the victim, I'm pointing out your folly.

You've read all the crap? Bull shit! You have never, in my memory, even posted once in the Election Reform Forum.

It's people like you that the pukes just love, acting all knowledgeable and throwing words around that tend to discourage reform, and the activists working on it.

It is not logical, Mr_Spock.

There are no pukes in the real world who like me - I challenge them at every opportunity and they hate it.

I'm sick of talk about who is good or bad WRT reform - no results, no point. My time is valuable and we need to get people elected, whining about voting does not get more votes on our side. We need ally's in Congress first. And don't imply that it is a paradox or I will call you insane. They are NOT all rigged.

Is that it? You think I am whining? Geeez.

You want results? Well, son, this is the result so far: Kerry's election was stolen. Max Cleland's, and numerous others have been shown to have been stolen. And what do we get from the likes of you?

You may not think so, but the pukes love you.

They hate me cause I am breathing down their necks and when we succeed they will be gone.

Look, spock, you do your thing and we'll do ours. Quit your whining and your bad attitude, we don't need it. But you do need the votes to be counted correctly and that is what we are aiming for. Why act up to slow us down or discourage us? The pukes love to read that kind of crap.

Simply prove that Kerry and Cleland's elections were stolen and I'll agree with all of your self-aggrandizing.

This is not a popularity contest - I could care less what a 'puke thinks of me - I care about what I think of me, and I cannot with good conscience support ideas that are not supported with cold hard facts. Plus, we need to focus on winning in the future - and getting more people to the polls is easier if they don't think we're a bunch of poor sports who can't accept losing. Accept, learn, change, rally, vote,win.

"Pukes love me" - what an asinine comment.

Did you know some people think the votes were hacked?

Those folks say shady electioneering is a key vulnerability of the pukes.

That there is a boatload of honest evidence detailing republican 'advantages' built into the election process.

They claim that if the pukes could point out just one case of Dems doing the same, and stealing votes, it would be on Faux news! Every gawldurn night! Endlessly.....

They say that being spineless about the culture of corruption, diseased voting systems, and wearing a pink tutu while typing about it, is really quite the rage with wannabe republican leaders.

Say it ain't so. Tell me they are wrong. They are destroying the bushco form of democracy!

:sarcasm:

I've been reading all the evidence and I'm aware that we have to be super dilligent GOING FORWARD!!!!

It's the dwelling on the past that drives me insane. Exit polls, election workers, election monitors etc etc etc - we need to be looking FORWARD and acting as such. What actions did DUers take to monitor the election in San Diego? That's a good topic - then what are our plans for November. All the sarcasm and flaming fellow DUers in the world will not change the past, being dilligent going forward can change the future - and isn't that what's really important? Yes, pursue investigations into past allegations of fraud, but don't automatically assume a close election was stolen - that's not helpful at all.

Those are the total number for all of San Diego - in the 50th district there are a whole lot less.

and tax payers votes! DUH!

:eyes:

60,000 (not6000) absentees to count...

Your mileage may vary.

Kerry...yes.

Gore's Victory by Robert Perry

So Al Gore was the choice of Florida’s voters -- whether one counts hanging chads or dimpled chads. That was the core finding of the eight news organizations that conducted a review of disputed Florida ballots. By any chad measure, Gore won.

Gore won even if one doesn’t count the 15,000-25,000 votes that USA Today estimated Gore lost because of illegally designed “butterfly ballots,” or the hundreds of predominantly African-American voters who were falsely identified by the state as felons and turned away from the polls.

Gore won even if there’s no adjustment for George W. Bush’s windfall of about 290 votes from improperly counted military absentee ballots where lax standards were applied to Republican counties and strict standards to Democratic ones, a violation of fairness reported earlier by the Washington Post and the New York Times.

Put differently, George W. Bush was not the choice of Florida’s voters anymore than he was the choice of the American people who cast a half million more ballots for Gore than Bush nationwide.

<snip>

But this outcome was not the favored hypothetical of the news organizations, which apparently wanted to avoid questions about their patriotism. If they had simply given the American people the unvarnished facts, the reality that the voters of Florida favored Al Gore might have bolstered the belief that Bush indeed did steal the White House. That, in turn, could have undermined his legitimacy during the current crisis over terrorism.

In its coverage of the latest recount numbers, the national news media also showed little regard for the fundamental principle of democracy: that leaders derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, not from legalistic tricks, physical intimidation and public-relations maneuvers.

It is that understanding that is most missing in the news accounts of the latest recount figures.

Presumably, the American people are supposed to accept that everything just turned out right – the Bush dynasty was restored to power, the proper order was back in place. Anyone who begs to differ is a “conspiracy theorist” or a “Gore partisan.”

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Al Gore FOUGHT for OUR WIN, ALONE, for 36 days. 36 days of being harshly ridiculed. 36 days of seeing through the partisan intimidation and lawbreaking of the GOP. 36 days of no one listening to him.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

ON EDIT: The New York Times article that reported on this clearly indicated, in pagraph 17, that Gore won 'by any standard so long as the entire state was recounted' - the editor later commented that they put the information in paragraph 17 because they did not want to undermine confidence in President Bush so soon after 9/11/2001. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

:D

If you don't mind that YOUR vote doesn't get counted then that's just sad. People take the time to vote because they expect them to be counted.

People who vote by absentee ballot have every legal right to demand that their votes are counted, much to republican's dismay.

Whos in charge of it?

and they declared the winner already???

Slap, this must be America.

Just sayin'.

"This district is entirely contained within San Diego County.
County returns are identical to Districtwide returns."

That does not change the fact that only like 1/10th of those 66k are in the 50th

THis is such a charade and an insult to Californians.

None of this makes sense.

because she'll look "nice" for the next race in the future?
we are all writing and calling her office. please do so. NO democratic candidate has the right ever to walk away before all votes are counted. no matter how difficult it is.

why does this page show Busby with a 9000 vote lead with 100% of the vote counted?

http://vote.ss.ca.gov/Returns/usrep/5000.htm

It was updated at 2:57pm today.

am I missing something?

left Bilbray with a 5000 vote lead over Busby. I think that the 100% refers to 'votes counted on election day' -- and does not include absentee/early voting. Does California have early voting? I am confused, too.

:shrug:

Absentee and provisional ballots not yet counted were around 60,000, or 50% of the 125,000 votes counted.
i.e. one third of the votes not yet counted. They have 3 weeks to count those. And, as we now know, provisional ballots don't tend to get counted at all....

Or so someone told me in another thread -- so where are the special election results?

I can't find them...

Still not updated, though since yesterday...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1394494&mesg_id=1394589

THESE RESULTS ARE UNOFFICIAL
Last updated on: 06-09-06 at: 16:59:21

There are approximately 35455 Absentee / Provisional ballots still to be counted

U.S. REPRESENTATIVE 50TH DISTRICT - (RUN-OFF)

Precincts: 500
Counted: 500
Percentage: 100.0%

Vote for: 1
BRIAN BILBRAY - REP
69617
49.51%

FRANCINE BUSBY - DEM
63489
45.15%

statistically?
It has been 49% to 45% every day at every hour. Isn't that odd?

Especially if you factor in the theory that the majority of the absentees skew Rep. He should, by all rights, be running away with it, no?

:wtf:

Chris Raye Young 5,304
Francine Busby 46,585

Which Busby won.

In the Repub Primary:

Brian P. Bilbray 37,050 54.2%

Bilbray won.

Busby will now meet Bilbray in November.

There was also a special election to fill Randy's seat. It appears that Bilbray won that race to finish randy Cunninghams term, which expires jan. 2007.

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