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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:11 PM
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A conservative is not without enemies.
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 02:20 PM by LeftHander
Modern conservatives can only exist in a state of conflict and with a clearly defined and identified enemy. Such is the case with our current neo-conservative movement.

You have to be very careful how and when you kill your enemy.

The Neocon is nothing unless it has a enemy wage war on. The first 8 months of Bush's presidency was marked with a spectacular lack of nothing except vacation and flipping nearly every executive order Clinton made.

This first 100 days was vacations and singing executive orders in the early stages of payback to campaign donors and longtime cronies.

Then 911. And the war was on. Enemies were made and the axis of evil designated. The conservatives had their Pearl Harbor and Bush was hitting his trifecta moment and was able to stand tall point the finger and start screeching. The war drums banged. Vengeance is mine says the Lord and George W. Bush. "Bring it on".

Now after 3 years the war is in full swing and the template for creating new enemies is a proven success. Take a two bit dictator or terrorist and pump them up and vilify them in the American press. Create threats and fear and start the chase. The chase is the goal and is never ending.

The biggest danger and greatest fear that conservatives really have is not of death at the hands of a terrorist or America awash in liberals but to find themselves without a war or enemy to fight because without a enemy to rail against they have no purpose. The black and white, good versus evil mentality of the conservative cannot function anyother way. So as we stand in wonder as to why the conservatives constantly take the route that leads to war should come as no surprise. War is the goal.

So was Al-Zarqawi's death an engineered affair? A bitter sweet victory for the conservative hawks? They know that the more powerful of enemy you vanquish the more powerful you become. But the hawks are careful, they cannot be too successful because to win is to be without an enemy and a war and that is to become less than complete.

Luckily If there isn't a worthy opponent marginal bad guys can always be made to appear dangerous.

Getting to know the enemy is all part of the public digestion of war. Putting a name and personality on the corpse and highlight the evil that has been attributed to them is part of the fabric of conflict. Simply say their name over and over again and show burning cars and blasted bodies, falling buildings or plant thoughts of mushroom clouds in the public mind and an enemy grows more dangerous, more threatening.

Our Iraq war is a fabrication of the conservative mind incapable of functioning without a enemy as evidenced by the number of WMDs found in Iraq and lack of honest threat that Saddam posed to our nation.

The Iraq war is required for the moral vision of the conservative mind to be complete. The drama will continue, good vs. evil on a global theatre of operations. The conservative leader can do nothing without an enemy to declare evil and to justify a crusade to continue the biblical struggle of good versus evil. Even if that evil sometimes requires fabrication it does not matter. It is the struggle that defines character according to the neocon.

Unfortunately for us who see peace and non-violence as the only way humanity should exist, we cannot always see when the conservatives fabricate a enemy or battle a genuine one, that is the advantage hawks have in the fog of war.
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Rude Horner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:52 PM
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1. If you read...
David Brook's "Blinded by the Right", he has a good section ont his. I thought it was fascinating when he was talking about how conservatives hated when the cold war ended because all of a sudden, the boogie man was gone and they didn't know what to do. He said that some conservatives considered the cold war something that they never ACTUALLY wanted to win. That winning the cold war was supposed to be just talk, to get their base fired up.

Anyway, I think your post is excellent. Kicked and recommended. :kick:
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:17 PM
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2. Now that's a scary image
This first 100 days was vacations and singing executive orders


George Bush singing. Shudder:scared:
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 11:21 PM
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14. LOL - Spell checker bonehead operator
W. singing executive orders.

Clang Clang Clang Clang goes low power radio....ding ding ding ding lets start spying
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:38 PM
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3. Inevitably, the search for a Bogeyman leads to the old
pronouncements of "death from the hands of those who do not understand us",,,kind of tripe.

McCarthy was a pro at this type of propaganda..."A 'Red' behind every tree"; charges of being "un-American", a traitor and the usual host of excuses the RW finds to send the fear of being trampled under hob-nailed boots into those who are too easily swayed by inane blathering of those who crave nothing but power, and lack the expertise to lead the nation into a situation where people of the nation actually benefit from decisions made.

This group f verbally flatulent individuals are on the way out though. Iraq cannot generate the fear necessary to keep the flames of war raging; so what do the neo-cons do, they bring up Gay Marriage, Flag Burning and tax cuts for 1.7% of the incredibly wealthy....all which went down in defeat because the citizens of this great nation could not care less about these issues and want someone in charge that can rein in the deficit, end the war with as little bloodshed as possible and (be still my heart), pass legislation that HELPS the American citizen rather than toss another burden on him and her. The neo-cons have NOTHING to offer the nation, absolutely nothing. Once again, it will take Progressives to clean up the horrendous mess that this administration and Congress have left behind.

It should be noted that this is NOT the "Party of Lincoln", nor is it the party of Eisenhower. It is a party that has been usurped by zealots that had no inkling of what to do when they got into power, except how to keep power; by raising the level of hatred and fear to historic heights. Mushroom clouds over American cities because of Saddam Hussein...yeah right. The only mushrooms were the one eaten by those who concocted this nightmare.

The nation and the world waits for the next act in the drama. Will we have a Congress that begins to repair the damage and send bush into the WH basement to sit out the last two years of the worst presidency this nation has ever endured,....or will the fear win out, added to the already obvious situation where the GOP has no problem stealing elections when they know they will lose one?

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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 06:01 PM
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4. The repugs know
that if Osama Bin Laden is caught, the Federal Marriage Bill is passed and Roe vs Wade is overturned, non-billionaires will have no reason to vote for them. That's why I think that whilst one or even two of those things might happen, I very much doubt if all of them will.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 07:02 PM
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8. The Marriage Amendment is dead, and Osama might just get caught...
(I think they know where he is, or at least close to it), to pull up bush's ratings before he's out of office.

The permanent repeal of the Estate Tax is dead too.

Timing is everything in politics and comedy, (those two are often very closely related), and while I am glad that Zarquawi is out of the picture, it is not enough to save the free-fall. People are just plain fed up w/what these neo-cons have done to the nation. We are poorer than before, jobs are there, but the don't pay anything to live on. Education has been cut to the bone, the VA is in tatters as is the EPA and the FEMA. The Bill of Rights has been gutted, and people are just generally ticked off.

Add to this mess the rantings of Coulter, et al; and the GOP looks like a troop of Screech Monkey's w/o any semblance of a plan or order. They are reveling in the death of Zaquawi, singing like they just won the lottery and looking like a Grand Group of Ghouls.

They have NOTHING....and a Flag Burning Amendment won't help. As for Roe v Wade, forget it, they only bring it up during an election cycle, and even the fundies know it exists only as a rallying point that will never get overturned. Not one of the people who were elected because of anti-Roe v Wade made any motions at trying to enact legislation to overturn it, to do overturn R v W would take away the last card they have. It just ain't gonna happen.
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 06:13 PM
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5. With all due respect to the OP;
I know you are wrong.

"The Neocon is nothing unless it has a enemy wage war on. The first 8 months of Bush's presidency was marked with a spectacular lack of nothing except vacation and flipping nearly every executive order Clinton made.

This first 100 days was vacations and singing executive orders in the early stages of payback to campaign donors and longtime cronies."

The neocons were looking for a fight as soon as they knew they had the election tied up, sometime in the summer of 2000, I believe. Soon after the innauguration there was this;

All 40 people on board a military transport plane were killed when it crashed on Saturday, the state-run Xinhua news agency has reported.

Earlier, unofficial reports had spoken of five casualties.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/5045464.stm

It was my thoughts and statements to friends and family at the time that bush wanted a war. China was not ready to pursue matters and let 40 citizens deaths go after a mild diplomatic 'crisis.' Americans were just about to the rally round the flag if I remember it correctly. I went around asking peopple 'What would have happened if China jets were flying over the US and it caused a mid air collision killing Americans?' Just dumb looks in return. Hell the assholes that call themselves the Executive branch were ready for war 5 months before 9/11.
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Hatalles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 06:14 PM
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6. It is the classic use of the "other" to define one's self.
Osama does it. Bush does it too.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 06:45 PM
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7. Ever since communism collapsed the GOP have been attacking Americans
Once there was no more commie boogie man to attack they turned their gunsights inward. They have been a complete basket case ever since.
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Drops_not_Dope Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 07:14 PM
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9. So was Al-Zarqawi's death an engineered affair?
Haditha.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 07:29 PM
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10. I generally agree, but these people are not conservatives...
They are fascists. I may not agree with conservatives, but they do not measure up to the absoulute evil of these people. I can not stand hearing Bush called a conservative, because he doesn't want to conserve anything.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 09:51 PM
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12. Agreed. nt
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 09:51 PM
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11. They took office with a goal of attacking Iraq -- 9/11 was an excuse.
All that drama about "ICBMs from rogue nations," turning their backs on terrorism, and revamping old Reagan-era Star Wars defense spending was all about fulfilling PNAC designs to attack Iraq.

9/11 presented leverage in the form of a new fake rationale and an incredible opportunity to generate FEAR.

This was about Iraq from the start, but it is ALSO, on a social level, about "liberals," and the so-called "conservative" or "traditional" so-called VALUES, which vehemently oppose rights for women, gays, minorities, workers, and the disabled, not to mention opportunities that might take away the working underclass they depend upon.

And they aren't exactly subtle about the "enemy within" -- they manufacture wars beyond Iraq (like the "war on Christmas" and the "war on Easter" and the "war on Christianity" and the "war on marriage" and the "war on families" etc. etc.) just to maintain an image of an evil enemy to justify their fight to oppress.

(I know people don't like Hitler comparisons, but the playbook is virtually identical in SO many ways.)
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:00 PM
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13. I've always heard you play with the cards your dealt
a wise understanding, but better wisdom is to know who is dealing them.
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