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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:54 PM
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Murtha just announced he is running for majority leader!
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 02:55 PM by quinnox
Wow, this is getting good.

On CNN, if the Democrats take back the House. Because Pelosi would become Speaker of the House.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:55 PM
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1. Well, 1st his party needs a majority
:shrug:
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:56 PM
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4. Yeah, this is just a teeny bit premature, innit? n/t
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:59 PM
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9. It's a FINE momentum-builder... Advertising to the public what to expect..
... It's a way of NATIONALIZING the upcoming elections - by advertising to the American public - much of which is rather conservative - exactly what they'd be getting with a Democratic Congress. The public is being told that with a Democratic Congress, they'll be getting leadership that is SERIOUS about supporting the troops, and is NOT a "left-wing wacko" (term used by those more conservative than we are).

I think it's a very slick move.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:07 PM
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13. I concur, it's genius.
It cuts their Democrats don't care about the troops, anti patriotic, terror supporting bs off at the knees. They will not swiftboat Murtha, he will fight back. I am sure that is why he is the pointman on this effort.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:10 PM
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18. Exactly what just occurred to me
Murtha may mean it, and that's his right. But it's also a great strategy.

:bounce:
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:18 PM
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27. Agree. Good move. -eom
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:43 PM
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42. So, you'd actually like Murtha as a majority leader?
Are you aware of any of his positions, other than his stance on the war?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:56 PM
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48. Yes, and yes.
I do believe there is a place for Democrats with super-strong military, veterans, senior citizens, social security, etc. credentials, EVEN THOUGH he is not at all good on social stuff (abortion, gay rights, etc.).

He's a partisan Democrat (a good thing), and a fair and principled guy. Who's dead-wrong on lots of social issues. So we take what's of value from him, and let other Democrats do the rest.

I'm not a big believer in party-purity-purges. I'd rather take what value I can from a guy, and get the rest of what I need from others.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:01 PM
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52. I agree about the ridiculousness of people who demand political purity...
politics means compromise. This idea that there's no room for other viewpoints in the Democratic Party seems positively absurd to me. But when it comes to party leaders, I'd like to see people who represent a more-useful agenda.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:08 PM
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55. This also brings Iraq to the forefront in the campaign as a national issue
and our number one priority, led by a decorated Marine vet who the troops respect.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:16 PM
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57. Yup.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:37 PM
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59. I agree - they are throwing "radical liberal Pelosi" out there
I think this is good.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:24 PM
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30. Confidence. Incentive.
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:55 PM
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2. Excellent ....
Everybody get out of his way!!! :bounce:
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:55 PM
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3. He's got my vote! -eom
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:57 PM
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6. It is a bit early
Frankly, I'd like to see John Conyers be speaker. But, first let's win the House.
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jrandom421 Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:59 PM
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8. Let John be Chairman of the Judiciary committee
And then let him start the investigations and issuing supoenas! :)
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:11 PM
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20. You're right
I wish he could be both. Wouldn't it be sweet for the guy they've ridiculed for trying to do something to end up as Speaker?
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:09 PM
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16. Is it a strategy?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2330362&mesg_id=2330367

The repugs were planning to run on "Do you want to see a SF fruitcake as Speaker?" Murtha won't work as well as a bogey-man.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:16 PM
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26. He's a great speaker. Concise, direct, solid. Seems unflappable.
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 03:22 PM by Justitia
Here's hoping he gets the chance.

Edit to clarify, I mean public speaker, not Speaker of The House.

In the public persona of Majority Leader, this would be a very valuable skill.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:14 PM
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23. oh yeah - looooong way off. Just some Friday exuberance. -eom
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:56 PM
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5. kik
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:58 PM
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7. be good to see
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:04 PM
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10. his voting record---
he seems to be anti-choicem it's not the only issue that matters but it counts.
http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=H3460103
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:07 PM
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14. Murtha is a very conservative Dem
I don't think a lot of people know much about him except that he wants the troops out of Iraq.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:09 PM
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17. i agree, i only checked his record about 6 months ago
and was surprised to see his voting on abortion, surprised and disappointed, also aye on the flag burning amendment.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:05 PM
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11. I like and respect Murtha, but I would rather have a progressive as ML
Getting out of Iraq, IMO, is one of the hugest issues that we must accomplish *if* we get back in power---but it is not the only issue that we must deal with. I am not overly familar with Murtha's voting record, but it is my understanding that he is much more socially conservative than the Democratic base. I have great respect Rep Murtha for his courage in working to end the maddness in Iraq, I just hope that we will take the totality of a potential candidate for majority leader into consideration before we throw our support behind that candidate.

Most importantly,as has been noted upthread, FIRST we must win back the majority.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:11 PM
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21. This will piss off Steny Hoyer, who is certain to run for this spot.
Unless there is a deal made. Hoyer is the present whip, he is a really fine orator and a member of the "Blue dog coalition". Not my favorite by any stretch, either, it will be intersting to see what he gets out of this.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:38 PM
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60. I was wondering if Hoyer was reacting.
This would pretty much be his for the taking otherwise, right?
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:59 PM
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61. He has been giving Pelosi a lot of grief.
Insurrection, he has been subverting her at every opportunity, it develops.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:16 PM
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25. ROFL! Ya can't win for losing on DU....
... when they react TOO LATE (a la Kerry/swiftboat liars), they catch crap for being too late.

Now, when they plan for the future, THEY CATCH CRAP FOR BEING "PREMATURE"...

There's just no pleasin us...

:rofl:
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:29 PM
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37. DU wins for group with the most infighting
My favorite is when I see two threads on the greatest page like this:

Call Harry Reid's office and thank him for fighting for progressive principles....

and

Call Harry Reid's office and demand his resignation for not representing us....


I've seen back to back threads like that for a democrat's position on the exact same issue!

I grew up in John Murtha's district and am thankful to have been represented by such a great American. The stuff he's done on: health care, education, fair wages, social security, veterans, and so on are flaming liberal. Honestly, I don't like people burning the American flag either.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:12 PM
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56. heh
I believe my post reflected both dialogue on who we would like to see as majority leader and the need to make sure that we continue to work towards winning that majority.

Seems like you're the one flinging crap. :freak:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:05 PM
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62. Yup - I only responded to what YOU flagged as "most important"
Fo sho there was other stuff in your post I did NOT respond to - primarily because I said my piece on those other issues elsewhere in this thread, and saw no need to re-hash it.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:06 PM
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12. Well, let's hope he gets the chance!
I'm glad he is announcing this - it may actually help get us more votes!
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:08 PM
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15. Murtha is not a very progressive Dem
as I understand it, he leans toward being a very conservative Dem on most issues.


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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:12 PM
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22. (a) So? He's not going for Speaker, and (b)....
... he's still a *partisan* Democrat, which is equally important, and

(c) The value of getting folks other than hardcore progressives can't be overestimated.

imo.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:27 PM
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33. It's an important point despite your
"So?"

Cheers.

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 08:13 AM
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67. What's more Murtha stands for something. That's why he received Profiles
in Courage award this year from Caroline Kennedy.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:24 PM
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29. His votes are a wash, but his public persona is quite solid. A good face
for Majority Leader. The contrast between Murtha and DeLay couldn't be more stark.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:29 PM
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36. David Sirota on Steny Hoyer's record...
http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/5/3/123758/5207

Steny Hoyer's Hostile Takeover

by David Sirota, Wed May 03, 2006 at 04:05:58 PM EST

Folks are rightly outraged today about House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer vigorously coming to the defense of President Bush. You know there's a huge problem with our political system when the number two Democrat in the House is throwing himself in front of the media to defend an extreme right-wing President. But then, we shouldn't be surprised by Hoyer's behavior. As I document in my new book Hostile Takeover, Hoyer has long led the charge to emasculate the Democratic Party. Whether on economic policy, on the war, on trade policy or on just generally selling out to Big Money interests, Hoyer has self-servingly gone out of his way to undermine his party. Put another way - if you are looking for one of the root causes of the Democratic Party's problems, look no further than Steny Hoyer.

Let's take a look at Hoyer's recent behavior in aiding and abetting the hostile takeover of our government. On economics, here's what I pointed out back in January:

You remember, it was Hoyer - the Democratic Whip - who refused to whip votes together to try to defeat the corporate-written Central American Free Trade Agreement. When Pelosi tried to build opposition to the disgusting bankruptcy bill, it was Hoyer, the second-ranking Democrat in the House, who not only didn't whip against the bankruptcy bill, but actually voted for it, after pocketing massive campaign contributions from the banking industry...And when Pelosi worked to keep her caucus together in opposing the GOP Energy Bill, it was Hoyer who voted for the nauseating legislation after pocketing more than $300,000 from energy/natural resource industry cash. That legislation that literally gave away billions of taxpayer dollars to the energy industry profiteers who proceeded to bilk Americans with higher and higher gas prices.

On Iraq, the same kind of behavior:

In today's Washington Post, for instance, the paper reported that according to congressional sources, Hoyer "told colleagues that Pelosi's recent endorsement of a speedy withdrawal combined with her claim that more than half of House Democrats support her position, could backfire on the party." You might recall that last week it was Hoyer who, after Pelosi came out in support of Jack Murtha's plan for an exit strategy, was quoted in the Post saying withdrawal "could lead to disaster" - a statement only a Washington politician wholly out of touch with ordinary Americans could make, considering a disaster has long been unfolding in Iraq, and considering most Americans now support an exit strategy.

Then there is the corruption at the root of the hostile takeover of our government:

Then, while Pelosi works to resist the influence of corporate interests as she goes after the GOP's "culture of corruption," it is Hoyer who is deliberately landing stories in newspapers about his efforts to formalize his own system of legalized bribery - putting his own campaign wallet ahead of Democrats' efforts to develop a message of reform. Today in Roll Call, for instance, it was Hoyer who placed the story that details his efforts to "woo K Street" (aka. the corporate lobbying community). The story notes he convened a meeting of "50 business-minded Democratic consultants, lobbyists and corporate officers to get them to commit to writing checks." And in case you didn't think Hoyer was trying to land these stories - just check out his website (since taken down after criticism) where he brazenly displays a similar story, as if his corporate shakedown operation is a trophy to be marveled at - and not an albatross that directly undermines his party's message.

Remember folks - this is the number two Democrat in the House, opposing courageous members of his own party who are trying to take our country back. And now he has taken it to a whole new level by criticizing critics of President Bush. If you don't think there's a hostile takeover going on, just look at these examples, and remember the name Steny Hoyer: he's leading that takeover towards completion.




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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:34 PM
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39. Thanks for the reminder! And cementing my existing opinion. -eom
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:50 PM
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44. Wow... That's disappointing...
I'd always thought he looked the part of a distinguished gentleman, but you've directed me to a good debunking source. Most disappointing. He'll go on my list of DINOs. He's definitely a fine example of a Neo-Con Democrat. Disgusting.
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:58 PM
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50. Jeebus
Forget Majority Leader in 07, Murtha. Run for Whip now. If Hoyer can't be primaried out, he needs to be made a back-bencher again
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:10 PM
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19. we need more principled leaders
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 03:11 PM by jsamuel
I know he is a more conservative Dem, but principles are the things that matters right now with all the corruption and political pandering, I think he could be a good majority leader. Lets wait and see who else would try to run.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:14 PM
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24. I think it's a pretty smart move...
Iraq will be THE #1 issue heading into the next two election cycles. He has alot of credibility there.
It will be interesting to see what else they have up their sleeves.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:07 PM
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54. It's jaw droppingly stupid; stupid beyond belief stupid and
typical dem shoot yourself in the foot behavior. Go read the article in the New Republic. The timing sucks. They all need to focus on winning back the House not infighting about leadership positions. This divides House dems at a time when they really need to be working together. It generates nothing but bad publicity. I like Murtha but this was a dodo move.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:05 PM
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63. competition != divisiveness.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:29 PM
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64. Only time will tell, I guess...n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:21 PM
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28. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:26 PM
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32. I'm just looking at threads.... and I'm SOOOOO *concerned*!!!
:rofl:
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:40 PM
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40. Here's a running history:
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 03:41 PM by Stand and Fight
Interesting posts.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1392972
22. Name the liberal equivalent to Ann Coulter or Pat Robertson.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1392273
33. I don't think so. I think he won. I would put money on it.
They're going to shred them in Sept?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1393140
5. Dead on stretcher?
Hard to tell - he looks dead to me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1392936
26. Scariest.Picture.Ever.
Are those condoms?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1384746
84. Geno's Cheesesteaks in Philly: Order in English only
God, I love these sandwiches! Here in CA. we onkly have the Philly Cheesteak Factory. They're ok but nothing like Geno's.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1389471
54. THE ZARQAWI INVITATION
So does anybody know what Garner had done?

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:42 PM
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41. rofl! VERY nice!
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:28 PM
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34. Don't you have anything better to do with your time?
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 03:29 PM by Stand and Fight
If it weren't against the rules I would... Well... Really, you should manage your time and efforts better.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:29 PM
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35. What happens if you turn out to be a freeper?
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:32 PM
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38. *winks*
;) Would you believe it's just playing devil's advocate? :rofl:
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:47 PM
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43. Well, that was a short stay...
Bloody damn trolls need to stay under their bridges and keep quiet! :rofl:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:51 PM
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46. Sigh. His influence lives on, unfortunately....
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:57 PM
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49. I hoping that particular poster is simply confused in wording.
That's what I want to believe on cursory examination at least.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:58 PM
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51. 'fair enuff - it's possible I was trigger-happy.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:26 PM
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31. wow, that's gonna hurt the R's scare tactics about getting
Pelosi as Speaker if you vote Dem. Who knows how the actual competition for Speaker will shake out next year, but this is good strategic move.

:thumbsup:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:51 PM
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45. I'd bet a few Repubs would vote for him.
.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:06 PM
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53. I hope you're kidding or using hyperbole... n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:30 PM
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58. No, I'm not - I could see a Ron Paul voting for Murtha. Possibly even
Jim Leach. I remember when Leach wouln't cast a vote for Gingrich.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 06:02 PM
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65. Are Republicans able to vote for OUR majority leader?
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 06:02 PM by Stand and Fight
I don't think so... Somehow I cannot see Democrats choosing Tom "The Bugman" DeLay. :shrug:
Correct me if I am wrong.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 06:19 PM
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66. Oh - I was thinking Speaker of the House - heh - the first rumor I heard
was that he would submit his name for Speaker.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 08:17 AM
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68. Read in WaPo today Murtha supported Pelosi vs. Hoyer for whip in 2001.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/09/AR2006060901445.html

Despite their ideological differences, Murtha and Pelosi have been close for years. The Pennsylvanian managed her successful campaign for whip in 2001 against Hoyer, and the two have worked closely on Democratic national-security strategy.

Several senior Democratic aides, who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter, said Pelosi was aware of Murtha's decision, and while she did not encourage him, she did not request that he stop, either.


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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:52 PM
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47. I will have to hold back my opinion on this.
Personally I like Murtha, but progressives in the House have been saying what he's saying for sometime and they don't have his conservative record. However, I would love to see him replace someone like Hoyer as the Whip. He'd do a fine job at that! Guess I didn't do so well on holding back my opinion, did I?
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