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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:27 PM
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If someone is described as an "Eisenhower Republican" what does that mean?
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 10:27 PM by CanuckAmok
aka "Installment #11 of Inform the Canuck".
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:28 PM
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1. IMO
those republicans stood for:

The goverment is supposed to

fix the roads
defend the country
don't spend much money
stay out of the people's business and wallets
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don954 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:30 PM
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5. in orther words
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 10:30 PM by don954
a modern center-left democrat?

:evilgrin:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:34 PM
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10. That is what I was going to say. Today they would be a Democrat.
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:35 PM
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13. I know! It's insane how far right everything's gone.
Listening to him speak, he almost sounded like a socialist, talking about the military-industrial complex and what was necessary for the good of the people... I mean, I didn't agree with everything he did, but damn! Why can't we have more sane Republicans like that?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 12:12 AM
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40. here is a very interesting republican
http://www.geocities.com/dave_enrich/ctd/3p.anderson.html
John Anderson, National Unity Party, 1980

he was from my area of northern illinois and he was well respected thru out illinois by both parties. ike would be more right of center--kinda like hillary
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:30 PM
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6. Well, it was also supposed to maintain the status quo
which meant keeping blacks and women in their respective places.

Eisenhower Repugs were basically decent human beings but they loathed change, even necessary change.

Sometimes they were right about things, but much of the time they were wrong.

However, one could deal with them and expect them to be honest about it.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:32 PM
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9. exactly, and that's why I'm a Democrat but at least you could have
a discussion with them (usually)
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:39 PM
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18. 'scuze me....
He sent the troops to Little Rock to start desegregation.....
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 02:33 AM
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41. Eisenhower sent 101st Airborne to Little Rock to enforce integration
It was Democrat Orval Faubus who was resistant to change and tried to keep blacks "in their place".
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:54 PM
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24. That sounds a lot like modern day Libertarians. nt
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:29 PM
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2. Old Style Republican
Isolationist, fiscally tight, can see a common good out there for starters. They are a dying breed.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:38 PM
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17. Ike definitely WASN'T an Isolationist.
IIRC, the main reason he ran as a Republican is because he was scared to death that the Pukes would nominate an Isolationist who would pull out of the UN, rendering it as useless as the Leauge of Nations. He was a Moderate politically, running as a Republican was about saving the UN.
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:29 PM
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3. "beware of the military industrial complex!!"
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:29 PM
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4. Someone who opposes the military-industrial complex.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:31 PM
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7. All of the above, plus
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 10:31 PM by ThomCat
spend money wisely on infrastructure, not corporate subsidies. Build roads, bridges, schools, and hospitals. Oppose war profiteering, and don't encourage war.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:32 PM
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8. It means I'm not impressed n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:34 PM
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11. A non-ideological GOP - tho they're GOPs it's not due to bigotry, greed
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 10:36 PM by blm
fundamentalism or imperialism.

Eisenhower was actually a true Independent who basically flipped a coin and ran as a Republican. But there was no real shame attached to the GOP party at that point, excapt for the aberrant stylings of Joe McCarthy. Real shame didn't happen till Nixon and his Southern Strategy politics of divisiveness,
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:35 PM
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12. They are a Republican that is not totally and completely insane
like today's Republican. Whether or not you may agree with them on a particular issue, you could expect rational and civilized behavior from them.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:37 PM
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15. ROFL!! Bingo! n/t
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:36 PM
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14. Glad to hear that.
I'm reading a biography of Charles M. Schultz, and he described himself as a "unapologetic Eisenhower Republican".

I'd hate to learn one of my favourite people is akin to the neocon scum.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:43 PM
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20. Republicans
used to be normal people once.
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deFaultLine Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:53 PM
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23. Hmmm...
I always thought that they were the types that you could discuss an issue with and then come up with a meeting of the minds with some sort of solution that people could work out.

Nothing like the bomb throwers we have today.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:38 PM
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16. I think the best and easiest answer to that is to read...
In particular, I'd start with Eisenhower's farewell address.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ike.htm
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:54 PM
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25. Oh, yeah, I've read that...
...In fact it's on the Canadian Forces ROTP History/PolitSci recommended reading list, if you can believe it.

But I wondered if his farewell remarks were typical of his entire presidency, or if they were the political version of a death-bead confessional.
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smokey nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 11:03 PM
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28. Less well know, but just as powerful is his "Cross of Iron" speech
delivered in April 1953. Here's a sample:

"Every gun that's made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.

This world in arms is not spending money alone. It's spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."

Can anyone imagine any repuke uttering these words today?
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 11:08 PM
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29. Yes, that's a personal favorite of mine too
I would have posted it if I had a link handy in my bookmarks, but I didn't and I was preoccupied with something else to hunt it down.
Here's one now: https://ideotrope.org/index.pl?node_id=23495

I think it serves to underscore The Magistrates post.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:39 PM
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19. Probably very old.....
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:48 PM
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21. Gen. Eisenhower, Sir
Opposed two elements in the Republican Party of his day.

He opposed the isolationists, represented by Sen. Taft of Ohio, popularly known at the time as "Mr. Republican" for his stature in the Party. This wing was so firm in its old-line views it was even somewhat reluctant to engage in the Cold War, as this required foreign entanglements and commitments beyond the shores of the U.S. itself, though it was firmly hostile to Communism.

He opposed the claque pressing for immediate war with the Soviet Union, and their propagandas of Soviet predominance in strategic weapons, typified best by Gen. LeMay, then chief of the Strategic Air Command. Ideologues of this claque included Phylis Schlafly, and are the real ancestors of the modern Reppublican Party.

Gen. Eisenhower came from a generation of resolutely a-political regular officers, many of whom took that ideal so seriously they refrained even from voting. Most of these men were, naturally enough, authoritarian and traditionalist in their personal views. His commitment to upholding the status quo included acceptance of New Deal measures, as these were already decades old and part of the national fabric. His personal views on racial questions were the normal genteel racism of the time, but he was willing to use force to uphold court decisions expanding civil rights. In economic matters he ceded policy to the usual suspects from business circles, with he result that his adminitration was plagued by several recessions.

His great contribution to the country, and the world, was keeping a rein on the war claque: it seems quite likely to me any other political figure in the U.S. at that time would have been stampeded into a nuclear war with the Soviets while we still had a decisive advantage in numver war-heads and efficiency of delivery systems. These things, while sufficient to ensure the Soviets would have been far more badly damaged, would not have sufficed to prevent the deaths of many millions in the U.S., had the event come to pass.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:57 PM
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26. One can set one's watch to the Magistrate.
Always a pleasure, albeit a rare one, to receive a reply from you, sir.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 11:08 PM
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30. Thank You, Sir
Glad to be of service; perhaps you can explain Canadian political life to me someday; my ventures up north were pleasant, but very full of beer....
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 11:18 PM
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33. If I ever figure it out, I will.
As far as I can tell, instead of raiding the coffers, waging war on every freakin' body, and alienating the planet within a fixed timeframe, ie four years, it appears that the objective of Canadian politics is to remain in power as long as possible without actually changing anything, and landing a lucrative book deal/lecture circuit gig if and when you're ever done.
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SummerGrace Donating Member (349 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:58 PM
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27. Dark Days for Eiserhower Republicans
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 11:00 PM by SummerGrace
These are dark days for Eisenhower Republicans.

This quiet ex-general from the heart of America had the United States leading the world on a healing path after WWII, building a higher civilization.

In the spirit of the People to People organization he fostered, we reached out to underdeveloped nations with educational and monitary aid, helping them catch up. Back then, nearly all Americans believed that people who have a decent level of living aren't likely to war against each other.

Under Ike's leadership, the U.N., Marshal Plan, USAID, UNESCO, World Food Bank and many other peaceful innovations thrived. Through the U.S. Aid for International Development (AID) programs, business and industry were brought together to help countries modernize and build their economies.

Agricultural businesses and the U.S. land grant universities joined together to found agricultural research, teaching and development institutions around the globe. The Green Revolution emerged from this and food shortages were virtually eliminated. Only politics, greed and poor distribution of the products of the world's farmers stand in the way of feeding everyone.

At home, as among the temperamental generals in World War II, this gentle, behind-the-scenes worker, got some of the best minds of the nation working together to achieve common goals. They launched a network of Interstate Highways that brought prosperity wherever these beautiful roadways went. They expanded and improved national parks, forests, and monuments that brought pleasure to all who would use them and created new professions for those who would dedicate their lives to preserving them.

Historians are just beginning to discover the unheralded intellect of Dwight D. Eisenhower. His colleagues even balanced the budget!

What irony, Republicans allowing a mediocre-minded scion of the Walker/Bush dynasty to take over the party and run our government in favor of a small clique of robber barons, disgracing our nation--and democracy itself--in the eyes of the world.
http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v128/__show_article/_a000128-000166.htm
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 12:06 AM
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37. 'included acceptance of New Deal measures,
as these were already decades old and part of the national fabric'

the status quo is more and more like us.

i like Ike.
dp
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:51 PM
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22. Old School GOP
Not the crazy people running the insane asylum today.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 11:10 PM
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31. I never thought I would say this
But I actually miss my father's republican party. The old man is probably spinning in his grave right now.
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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 11:10 PM
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32. A Clinton Democrat. nt
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 11:20 PM
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34. Whoa, that's a tough one...
Communist at heart?
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 11:52 PM
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35. Democratic-lite
Seems unimaginable these days, doesn't it?
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 11:56 PM
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36. It means they are an irrelevant relic ...
Edited on Sat Jun-10-06 12:00 AM by mikelewis
Might as well call them Whigs. Eisenhower republicans are no more. They died with Kennedy.

on edit: I believe Republicans are now called Mayberry Machiavelli's; if I'm not mistaken. That term was actually coined by one of Bush's ex-staff members.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 12:08 AM
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38. He's Bald
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 12:09 AM
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39. lol...
that slayed me...
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