"Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.": What isn't a conspiracy?

The absurd nature of the Democratic Underground Conspiracy Culture:

9/11(lack of release of material, release of material, impossibly large amounts of gold under WTC, etc), the war in Afghanistan, the 2002 elections, the death of Paul Wellstone, the death of Mel Carnahan(even though the Democrat won in 2000 in MO), the very existence of Al-Qaeda(called Al-CIAda), the 2003 California Recall, the capture of Saddam Hussein, all Osama bin-Laden tape releases and all other terrorist attacks, the Madrid Train Bombings, the 2004 election, the Asian Tsunami, the London Terror Attacks, Hurricane Katrina, the discontinuance of the M3 Money Supply data, special election in Duke Cunningham's Very Red District, the death of Zarqawi, daily moves in the stock market...all of them, Federal Reserve actions, all that relates to the Bilderberg Group, Skull and Bones(regarding Bush and Kerry), anything to do with Israel, the DLC being in cahoots with the RNC, and many many more.

If the forces that be truly have control over all of these events, why even bother resisting? Perhaps we should just give up and embrace our powerful new, shadowy overlords.

of dollars into the hands of those in the best position to have caused these events.

What a coincidence!

I take it there must have been conspiracies all over the place in the 1990s as well...

than they are seeing now.

And just why aren't we invading Somalia to spread democracy? I guess the fact that Iraq sits on the world's largest under-exploited oil reserves had nothing to do with it - that would be a conspiracy after all.

other times are simply opportunistic.

That was all out there for people to see that it was a bad idea. Problem is that the press always wants war because it helps ratings so it didn't question the rationale.

It helps to keep from being too surprised when a new obscenity is levied against us.

If you believe in all of them, you then believe that every major world event in the past five years or so has been a conspiracy.

are the big ones. I try not to deal with many more than that or my brain starts to hurt.

The simply makes sense when you are dealing with a Wahabbi terrorist group like Al-Qaeda founded by a Saudi dissident with connections to other Saudi and other Arab dissidents.

Maybe this deserves to go into the poetry / prose area? Absurdist Improv Theatre? I guess that's your point? By indicting the "culture" of DU with capital letters, makes it absurd, then lumping all these recent events as part of "conspiracy culture".

I for one welcome our shadowy overlords.

What vapid dreck!

believes that most if not all major recent events are part of some massive conspiracy.

I believe in some conspiracies and not so much in others.

I've been in D.C. all my life and I've had quite a few spooks and neo-spooks around my inner sphere, so I know that conspiracies do exist.

When making a judgement, I always have to ask myself one basic question--Who is benefiting from XYZ?...follow the money, always follow the money.

but so far it is only known to have involved New Hampshire:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_New_Hampshire_Senate_election_phone_jamming_scandal

But I do agree with you, everything is proceeding as I have foreseen. It all is. :-)

In terms of a massive systematic effort nationwide, no.

What the hell was Nathan Sproul doing running around shredding Democrat registration forms- in multiple swing states, by the way with money from the RNC, if not engaging in a "systematic nationwide effort"?

They have OBVIOUSLY- DELIBERATELY- been trying to steal elections, and succeeding to a certain degree. That's not a conspiracy "theory", that's clear reality.

harmless purveyors of biasless election paraphernalia and do not represent an effort on the part of the neocons to maintain perpetual power in this country, then you really do have your


...and you and those who fail to see this reality are aiding and abetting the death of our democracy. Period.

As in,

either the Tsunami was some kind of intentional, conspiratorial act by the Illuminati, or

Everything that we've ever been told on CNN and FOX NEWS, and every cheap whitewash cover story riddled with obvious lies - from the Warren Commission Report to the 9-11 Report to the Justifications for Iraq - are entirely factual and what they seem, and to question them qualifies one for tin foil headgear.

I think the truth lies, as it usually does, somewhere in the middle. I don't know what to think of 9-11- what I *do* know is, that while we were running around invading countries in "response" to that day, we studiously avoided the ONE country that seemed to have the most to do with the attack- namely, Saudi Arabia.

A country to whose totalitarian leadership, by the way, the current dubiously elected leader of the US has long-standing ties, business and otherwise.

I will avoid spending long amounts of time going into the well-known facts regarding how the President of the United States -and his family- also have established business ties to the family of the guy whose organization it was that perpetrated the attack, although it does beg the question as to why, if George W. Bush was so interested in Osama's "Friends and Family" circle, he had to go all the way to the NSA and wipe his ass on the Constitution in the process- when he could have just tapped Poppy's phone, as well as his own?

You don't have to be a raving conspiracy kook to know that something smells pretty fuckin' rotten in Denmark, there.

As for why "they" don't control "everything", I think there's a simple metaphysical answer, which control freaks of all stripes never seem to grasp:

Imposition of Order=Escalation of Chaos.

In other words, Situation Normal- All Fucked Up.

For example, there is absolutely nothing to the idea of a Madrid Train Bombing conspiracy or a Asian Tsunami Conspiracy. Just pulling a theory out of my ass does not warrant a compromise with the truth.

Don't tell me not to be paranoid and suspicious, look around.

Vigilance: stopping the NSA phone tapping
Lunacy: Believing that the Bush Administration caused Katrina and the Asian Tsunami

It's never been proven that Osama did 9-11, but that's been the official story since day one.

Clinton was deemed UNBELIEVABLE over one tiny lie.

I have no reason to doubt that.

because there was neither a Serbia nor an Austria in 1914. Certainly not the same ones we have now. It was the Habsburg Empire, or Austria-Hungary which declared war.
Which is what tinfoilers sometimes do - bring more detail and alternative POVs into the discussion.
But it also seems more prevalent than it is. What does it take - 100 people to start and continue a dozen longish threads, and half the thread will be people arguing against.

I am still LIHOP and I said, from the beginning, that the Anthrax mailer was from inside the admin.

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I don't believe in a single one of those conspiracies that I listed.

I don't think any of these are conspiracies:

the war in Afghanistan-
the death of Mel Carnahan-
the 2003 California Recall-
the Madrid Train Bombings-
the Asian Tsunami
the London Terror Attacks-
Hurricane Katrina-
the discontinuance of the M3 Money Supply data-
Federal Reserve actions
all that relates to the Bilderberg Group
Skull and Bones(regarding Bush and Kerry)
anything to do with Israel
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Then there are these:

the very existence of Al-Qaeda- It exists, but by supporting Osama back in the Cold War the CIA inadvertantly created this enemy.

the capture of Saddam Hussein-No conspiracy there, but the Kurds deserve more credit than they're getting.

daily moves in the stock market- No conspiracy, but there is some degree of war profiteering.

the DLC being in cahoots with the RNC- Not 'in cahoots', but similar to them, or acting that way, trying to pander to righties, and ignoring what they're supposed to be representing.

Again, not conspiracies, but government action has been somewhat shady.
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And as for...

all Osama bin-Laden tape releases- Bin Laden DID plan 9/11, but the tape in which he confesses was fake. All the other tapes...probably real.

special election in Duke Cunningham's Very Red District- Looks very suspicious

9/11- I think it was LIHOP,
the 2002 elections,- Possibly rigged.
the death of Paul Wellstone- planned
the 2004 election- Rigged

the death of Zarqawi- He's dead now. How he died is unclear, but he was a minor enemy whose importance was greatly exaggerated.

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I looked up the word, and the word itself has been hijacked by those who want to ridicule those who question everything coming out of Bush land.

In the dictionary it says when people conspire. That's it. When people conspire.

Did people conspire the 9-11 attacks. Of course they did. Will people theorize about it? Do they still theorize about JFK? Of course they do.

Did people conspire to rig the elections? Did people conspire to start a war?

Get off the soapbox.

He already owns you anyway.

but some are all too aware of that age-old Culture of Capitalism and there ain't a thing new about it. New obstacles arise and improved methods are developed, however, the goal remains the same.

It's that goal which is hidden in shadows.

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